In cavelamb himself writes:

Lauri Tarkkonen wrote:

In . com Bob writes:


On Nov 12, 8:04 am, "Roger Long" wrote:

Bob,

The tone of your reply makes a lot more sense to me when I read what you
just posted and realize that you are tilting at windmills.

I think, but maybe I'm wrong, that the OP was talking about windVANES, those
wonderful devices that steer the boat without using any of the electrical
power that would be produced by a windMILL.

I have no experience with the latter aside from occasionally wondering how
people put up with the noise when I get close to one.

--
Roger Long




Hey Roger !


Duhhh, a second read I find myself embarrassed by my critical and
shallow understanding of the post.
You are right ! Ah, wind vanes............ got one, an Aries. Works
great but always a bit nervous when stuffing the stern into a tight
slip. Lots of money hanging off the stern to get bent out of shape.


Thanks for the correction Roger. But I still draw the line at wind
mills on a boat.


Bob


If you had a Windpilot, you did not have this problem. :-).

- Lauri Tarkkonen



I've read the book, looked at the setup Roger has on Strider and
just can't go there (my boat is just way too small).

I went out and sailed today and thought about all this.

In the scale I would need I was wondering if anybody had seen a
trim tab on the rudder that was operated by a vane?

Or is that completely nuts?

There are several systems and it was very common before they came up
with the servo pendulum. If you have read Peter Förthmanns books, then
you should have noticed him explaining such things on pages 46-47 and
there are pictures of two on page 46.

I think you should take Peter's book seriously, he knows what he is
talking about. I studied this topic about 5 years before I decided on
the system and now my vife says: Why did you not buy this earlier.

- Lauri Tarkkonen

Lauri,
What boat do you have and what sort of sailing do you do?
Yes I have read the book. I am deciding between Aries, Monitor, Sailomat
and Windpilot.

Regards,
Dennis Gibbons
S/V Dark Lady
CN35-207
"Lauri Tarkkonen" wrote in message
...
In cavelamb himself
writes:

Lauri Tarkkonen wrote:

In . com Bob
writes:


On Nov 12, 8:04 am, "Roger Long" wrote:

Bob,

The tone of your reply makes a lot more sense to me when I read what
you
just posted and realize that you are tilting at windmills.

I think, but maybe I'm wrong, that the OP was talking about windVANES,
those
wonderful devices that steer the boat without using any of the
electrical
power that would be produced by a windMILL.

I have no experience with the latter aside from occasionally wondering
how
people put up with the noise when I get close to one.

--
Roger Long




Hey Roger !


Duhhh, a second read I find myself embarrassed by my critical and
shallow understanding of the post.
You are right ! Ah, wind vanes............ got one, an Aries. Works
great but always a bit nervous when stuffing the stern into a tight
slip. Lots of money hanging off the stern to get bent out of shape.


Thanks for the correction Roger. But I still draw the line at wind
mills on a boat.


Bob


If you had a Windpilot, you did not have this problem. :-).

- Lauri Tarkkonen



I've read the book, looked at the setup Roger has on Strider and
just can't go there (my boat is just way too small).

I went out and sailed today and thought about all this.

In the scale I would need I was wondering if anybody had seen a
trim tab on the rudder that was operated by a vane?

Or is that completely nuts?

There are several systems and it was very common before they came up
with the servo pendulum. If you have read Peter Förthmanns books, then
you should have noticed him explaining such things on pages 46-47 and
there are pictures of two on page 46.

I think you should take Peter's book seriously, he knows what he is
talking about. I studied this topic about 5 years before I decided on
the system and now my vife says: Why did you not buy this earlier.

- Lauri Tarkkonen

In "Dennis Gibbons" writes:

Lauri,
What boat do you have and what sort of sailing do you do?
Yes I have read the book. I am deciding between Aries, Monitor, Sailomat
and Windpilot.

I have a 40-foot sloop, I am cruising with my vife in the Baltic,
visiting in the summer Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Poland, Lithuania,
Latvia and Estonia.

I made some studies in the same field and Windpilot won hands down. I
have installed and sailed with Aries on a friends boat, it is heavy and
clumsy, more trouble to install, and the dimensions of the components do
not match the loadings applied on them. Monitor is a stainles steel copy
of Aries. Sailomat is too complicated, they did not get it right. Read
the book again, Förthman knows what he is talking about.

The auxiliary rudder systems are a nuisance when you try to reverse and
manouver in harbours, Aries and Monitor are vulnerable in close
quarters, Windpilot is superior in all aspects to these.

- Lauri Tarkkonen

Regards,
Dennis Gibbons
S/V Dark Lady
CN35-207
"Lauri Tarkkonen" wrote in message
...
In cavelamb himself
writes:

Lauri Tarkkonen wrote:

In . com Bob
writes:


On Nov 12, 8:04 am, "Roger Long" wrote:

Bob,

The tone of your reply makes a lot more sense to me when I read what
you
just posted and realize that you are tilting at windmills.

I think, but maybe I'm wrong, that the OP was talking about windVANES,
those
wonderful devices that steer the boat without using any of the
electrical
power that would be produced by a windMILL.

I have no experience with the latter aside from occasionally wondering
how
people put up with the noise when I get close to one.

--
Roger Long




Hey Roger !


Duhhh, a second read I find myself embarrassed by my critical and
shallow understanding of the post.
You are right ! Ah, wind vanes............ got one, an Aries. Works
great but always a bit nervous when stuffing the stern into a tight
slip. Lots of money hanging off the stern to get bent out of shape.


Thanks for the correction Roger. But I still draw the line at wind
mills on a boat.


Bob


If you had a Windpilot, you did not have this problem. :-).

- Lauri Tarkkonen



I've read the book, looked at the setup Roger has on Strider and
just can't go there (my boat is just way too small).

I went out and sailed today and thought about all this.

In the scale I would need I was wondering if anybody had seen a
trim tab on the rudder that was operated by a vane?

Or is that completely nuts?

There are several systems and it was very common before they came up
with the servo pendulum. If you have read Peter Förthmanns books, then
you should have noticed him explaining such things on pages 46-47 and
there are pictures of two on page 46.

I think you should take Peter's book seriously, he knows what he is
talking about. I studied this topic about 5 years before I decided on
the system and now my vife says: Why did you not buy this earlier.

- Lauri Tarkkonen

Lauri Tarkkonen wrote:

There are several systems and it was very common before they came up
with the servo pendulum. If you have read Peter Förthmanns books, then
you should have noticed him explaining such things on pages 46-47 and
there are pictures of two on page 46.

I think you should take Peter's book seriously, he knows what he is
talking about. I studied this topic about 5 years before I decided on
the system and now my vife says: Why did you not buy this earlier.

- Lauri Tarkkonen

Are you refering to the auxillary rudder approach on pager 46?

In cavelamb himself writes:

Lauri Tarkkonen wrote:

There are several systems and it was very common before they came up
with the servo pendulum. If you have read Peter Förthmanns books, then
you should have noticed him explaining such things on pages 46-47 and
there are pictures of two on page 46.

I think you should take Peter's book seriously, he knows what he is
talking about. I studied this topic about 5 years before I decided on
the system and now my vife says: Why did you not buy this earlier.

- Lauri Tarkkonen

Are you refering to the auxillary rudder approach on pager 46?

There is one wit an auxiliary and one on the main rudder.


- Lauri Tarkkonen

Lauri Tarkkonen wrote:

In cavelamb himself writes:


Lauri Tarkkonen wrote:


There are several systems and it was very common before they came up
with the servo pendulum. If you have read Peter Förthmanns books, then
you should have noticed him explaining such things on pages 46-47 and
there are pictures of two on page 46.

I think you should take Peter's book seriously, he knows what he is
talking about. I studied this topic about 5 years before I decided on
the system and now my vife says: Why did you not buy this earlier.

- Lauri Tarkkonen


Are you refering to the auxillary rudder approach on pager 46?


There is one wit an auxiliary and one on the main rudder.


- Lauri Tarkkonen


Ok, the trim tab on an exernal main rudder seems to be about page 51.
46-47 are trim tab on aux rudder,
At least that's what I'm seeing here...

I'm not quite sure how the H vane design works, though.
Must be a "turn the corner" joint hidden at the bottom?

Richard