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Old news to some perhaps but probably not everyone.
A 210 ft coastal cruise ship, the Spirit of Nantucket, struck a previously unknown submerged object south of the Pungo Ferry Bridge and began taking on water. The captain ran the ship aground to prevent sinking. Passengers have been taken off and the leakage stabilized. A salvage plan is in progress. The Atlantic ICW south of Great Bridge, VA is now closed to all commercial traffic, and recreational boats drawing more than 6 ft until further notice. For them, the only way south is around Cape Hatteras and the Outer Banks. http://content.hamptonroads.com/stor...6626&ran=68933 |
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Wayne.B wrote:
Old news to some perhaps but probably not everyone. A 210 ft coastal cruise ship, the Spirit of Nantucket, struck a previously unknown submerged object south of the Pungo Ferry Bridge and began taking on water. The captain ran the ship aground to prevent sinking. Passengers have been taken off and the leakage stabilized. A salvage plan is in progress. The Atlantic ICW south of Great Bridge, VA is now closed to all commercial traffic, and recreational boats drawing more than 6 ft until further notice. For them, the only way south is around Cape Hatteras and the Outer Banks. http://content.hamptonroads.com/stor...6626&ran=68933 Did they run into the transmission you dropped? |
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On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 21:49:02 -0500, HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote: Old news to some perhaps but probably not everyone. A 210 ft coastal cruise ship, the Spirit of Nantucket, struck a previously unknown submerged object south of the Pungo Ferry Bridge and began taking on water. The captain ran the ship aground to prevent sinking. Passengers have been taken off and the leakage stabilized. A salvage plan is in progress. The Atlantic ICW south of Great Bridge, VA is now closed to all commercial traffic, and recreational boats drawing more than 6 ft until further notice. For them, the only way south is around Cape Hatteras and the Outer Banks. http://content.hamptonroads.com/stor...6626&ran=68933 Did they run into the transmission you dropped? I think I know where that one is. The real mystery is where this obstruction came from. I guess it's possible that last week's storm could have moved something around. |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 21:49:02 -0500, HK wrote: Wayne.B wrote: Old news to some perhaps but probably not everyone. A 210 ft coastal cruise ship, the Spirit of Nantucket, struck a previously unknown submerged object south of the Pungo Ferry Bridge and began taking on water. The captain ran the ship aground to prevent sinking. Passengers have been taken off and the leakage stabilized. A salvage plan is in progress. The Atlantic ICW south of Great Bridge, VA is now closed to all commercial traffic, and recreational boats drawing more than 6 ft until further notice. For them, the only way south is around Cape Hatteras and the Outer Banks. http://content.hamptonroads.com/stor...6626&ran=68933 Did they run into the transmission you dropped? I think I know where that one is. The real mystery is where this obstruction came from. I guess it's possible that last week's storm could have moved something around. Something big enough to put a hole in a steel ship? |
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On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 23:24:12 -0500, HK wrote:
I think I know where that one is. The real mystery is where this obstruction came from. I guess it's possible that last week's storm could have moved something around. Something big enough to put a hole in a steel ship? According to the news article they located the obstruction but have to send down divers to identify it. It would have to be a wreck or a rock in my opinion. There are a fair number of tree stumps and logs in that area but I don't think that would be enough to gash the hull. |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. Something big enough to put a hole in a steel ship? Caught a news clip first of the week where a guy claimed that a hugh wave, generated by Post Tropical Storm Noel, moved a 100 ton granite boulder some distance at Peggys Cove. |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 21:49:02 -0500, HK wrote: Wayne.B wrote: Old news to some perhaps but probably not everyone. A 210 ft coastal cruise ship, the Spirit of Nantucket, struck a previously unknown submerged object south of the Pungo Ferry Bridge and began taking on water. The captain ran the ship aground to prevent sinking. Passengers have been taken off and the leakage stabilized. A salvage plan is in progress. The Atlantic ICW south of Great Bridge, VA is now closed to all commercial traffic, and recreational boats drawing more than 6 ft until further notice. For them, the only way south is around Cape Hatteras and the Outer Banks. http://content.hamptonroads.com/stor...6626&ran=68933 Did they run into the transmission you dropped? I think I know where that one is. The real mystery is where this obstruction came from. I guess it's possible that last week's storm could have moved something around. The winter storms in Lake Michigan and Lake Superior move some monster boulders very long distances, but I would be surprised if last weeks storm could have moved a large boulder in the ICW. You don't have enough fetch to really generate really powerful waves in the ICW. It will be interesting to see what they turn up. My guess is someone unloaded a derelict boat. |
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Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. Something big enough to put a hole in a steel ship? Caught a news clip first of the week where a guy claimed that a hugh wave, generated by Post Tropical Storm Noel, moved a 100 ton granite boulder some distance at Peggys Cove. That would be some wave... |
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I heard he was trying 'to wake' a small sailboat and ran too
close to the edge. :0 "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... Old news to some perhaps but probably not everyone. A 210 ft coastal cruise ship, the Spirit of Nantucket, struck a previously unknown submerged object south of the Pungo Ferry Bridge and began taking on water. The captain ran the ship aground to prevent sinking. Passengers have been taken off and the leakage stabilized. A salvage plan is in progress. The Atlantic ICW south of Great Bridge, VA is now closed to all commercial traffic, and recreational boats drawing more than 6 ft until further notice. For them, the only way south is around Cape Hatteras and the Outer Banks. http://content.hamptonroads.com/stor...y=136626&ran=6 8933 |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. Don White wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. Something big enough to put a hole in a steel ship? Caught a news clip first of the week where a guy claimed that a hugh wave, generated by Post Tropical Storm Noel, moved a 100 ton granite boulder some distance at Peggys Cove. That would be some wave... I'll drive down before the weather turns for the worse and investigate. It's always a beautiful place to visit..... unless you're one of the small lake sailors here who are terrified by a 5 foot swell. |
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Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. Don White wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. Something big enough to put a hole in a steel ship? Caught a news clip first of the week where a guy claimed that a hugh wave, generated by Post Tropical Storm Noel, moved a 100 ton granite boulder some distance at Peggys Cove. That would be some wave... I'll drive down before the weather turns for the worse and investigate. It's always a beautiful place to visit..... unless you're one of the small lake sailors here who are terrified by a 5 foot swell. Bang your fist on that boulder and see if it is hollow! |
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On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 10:31:14 -0500, "Scotty" wrote:
I heard he was trying 'to wake' a small sailboat and ran too close to the edge. Do you really believe that people run around on the water deliberately trying to wake sailboats? http://tinyurl.com/6hp2x |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 10:31:14 -0500, "Scotty" wrote: I heard he was trying 'to wake' a small sailboat and ran too close to the edge. Do you really believe that people run around on the water deliberately trying to wake sailboats? Some do, it's a fact. Ask the GC. SBV |
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Scotty wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 10:31:14 -0500, "Scotty" wrote: I heard he was trying 'to wake' a small sailboat and ran too close to the edge. Do you really believe that people run around on the water deliberately trying to wake sailboats? Some do, it's a fact. Ask the GC. SBV I've seen plenty of guys in floating RV-Condo boats coming down the ICW, oblivious to their wakes. They didn't give a damn they were damaging shell banks, or rocking the hell out of small boats along the way. Justice arrived when some of them ran aground on a sandbar a little south of where we lived near St. Augustine. |
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On Sat, 10 Nov 07, HK wrote:
I've seen plenty of guys in floating RV-Condo boats coming down the ICW, oblivious to their wakes. Not sure the type you're referring to but the worst around here are the 25'-35' space ship looking planing boats that run along half way up on plane. They'd do everybody a favor if they either speed up or slow down. Doesn't really matter which. Either way they'd leave a much smaller wake. And yes, they're totally oblivious to what they're doing. Rick |
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Not sure the type you're referring to but the worst around here are the 25'-35' space ship looking planing boats that run along half way up on plane. They'd do everybody a favor if they either speed up or slow down. Doesn't really matter which. Either way they'd leave a much smaller wake. And yes, they're totally oblivious to what they're doing. That's exactly what I get here on my river. And I have to believe they're oblivious, because it's disturbing to think that anyone would intentionally drive a boat around like that. |
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HK wrote in
: Scotty wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 10:31:14 -0500, "Scotty" wrote: I heard he was trying 'to wake' a small sailboat and ran too close to the edge. Do you really believe that people run around on the water deliberately trying to wake sailboats? Some do, it's a fact. Ask the GC. SBV I've seen plenty of guys in floating RV-Condo boats coming down the ICW, oblivious to their wakes. They didn't give a damn they were damaging shell banks, or rocking the hell out of small boats along the way. Justice arrived when some of them ran aground on a sandbar a little south of where we lived near St. Augustine. I wrote a trip report (http://www.geoffschultz.org/Log_Page.php?id=980) talking about a spot just S of St. Augustine where we watched a small power boat go aground at full speed on a sand bar and then the couple proceeded to beat the crap out of one another while calling each other every name in the book. We called the marine patrol, but they never showed up. In that same report I lamented about travelling on the ICW on weekends. I complained about: Tons of boat traffic Jet skies that use you as a slalom course Boaters who don't know the rules Boaters who know the rules and just don't care A special case of the above is the Sports Fishing boats who have important places to be and pass close by throwing up 4' wakes Boaters who think that they're doing you a favor by going along at a slow pace, but their speed is such that their stern is as deep in the water as possible throwing up the maximum wake. I guess that falls under #3. Boats pulling skiers or people in tubes who fall right in front of you. Too many people drinking and boating -- Geoff www.GeoffSchultz.org |
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"Geoff Schultz" wrote in message .. . Boaters who don't know the rules Boaters who know the rules and just don't care A special case of the above is the Sports Fishing boats who have important places to be and pass close by throwing up 4' wakes Acording to someone on this group, it's his God given right to wake a smaller boat and you should just deal with it, or get off ''his'' waters. Not sure if he falls under #1 or # 2. SBV |
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:54:08 -0500, "Scotty" wrote:
Acording to someone on this group, it's his God given right to wake a smaller boat and you should just deal with it, or get off ''his'' waters. Not sure if he falls under #1 or # 2. ============================ No whine before its time. One man's ripple is another man's tsunami. "Waking a smaller boat" implies an intentional malicious action, and I don't think much, if any, of that goes on. I'd be the first to call someone to task if I suspected it. That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger boat, or stay away from where the big boys play. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:54:08 -0500, "Scotty" wrote: Acording to someone on this group, it's his God given right to wake a smaller boat and you should just deal with it, or get off ''his'' waters. Not sure if he falls under #1 or # 2. ============================ No whine before its time. One man's ripple is another man's tsunami. "Waking a smaller boat" implies an intentional malicious action, and I don't think much, if any, of that goes on. I'd be the first to call someone to task if I suspected it. That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger boat, or stay away from where the big boys play. Wayne... doesn't matter if it's intentional or not. You're responsible for your wake. Having a bigger boat doesn't absolve you of your responsibilities; it increases them. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:54:08 -0500, "Scotty" wrote: Acording to someone on this group, it's his God given right to wake a smaller boat and you should just deal with it, or get off ''his'' waters. Not sure if he falls under #1 or # 2. ============================ No whine before its time. One man's ripple is another man's tsunami. "Waking a smaller boat" implies an intentional malicious action, and I don't think much, if any, of that goes on. I'd be the first to call someone to task if I suspected it. That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger boat, or stay away from where the big boys play. |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:54:08 -0500, "Scotty" wrote: Acording to someone on this group, it's his God given right to wake a smaller boat and you should just deal with it, or get off ''his'' waters. Not sure if he falls under #1 or # 2. ============================ No whine before its time. One man's ripple is another man's tsunami. "Waking a smaller boat" implies an intentional malicious action, and I don't think much, if any, of that goes on. I'd be the first to call someone to task if I suspected it. That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger boat, or stay away from where the big boys play. Geez...what an arrogant ass you are. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... One man's ripple is another man's tsunami. "Waking a smaller boat" implies an intentional malicious action, and I don't think much, if any, of that goes on. I'd be the first to call someone to task if I suspected it. That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger boat, or stay away from where the big boys play. In my limited experience traveling the ICW I saw no "intentional" waking of a slower or smaller vessel by the larger boats, with one exception. A large sportsfish blew by us and others at full speed, ignoring all speed zones. I heard on the radio that he was coming and to watch out. He was caught further down the ICW about an hour later. To be truthful, I saw more sailboat operators running on their engine, ignoring the "rules of the road". Not all, but many refused to give way or slow down a bit to allow safe, minimal wake passing by large power boats. Most at least moved over a bit and waved us by, but more than a few simply ignored the fact that we intended to overtake them, despite radio calls or appropriate toots on the horn to signal intent. I see more crazy powerboat operation in a single weekend at the entrance to Scituate harbor during the summer than anything I witnessed on the ICW and the biggest offenders are in smaller, outboard or I/O powered boats. Eisboch |
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"HK" wrote in message ... Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:54:08 -0500, "Scotty" wrote: Acording to someone on this group, it's his God given right to wake a smaller boat and you should just deal with it, or get off ''his'' waters. Not sure if he falls under #1 or # 2. ============================ No whine before its time. One man's ripple is another man's tsunami. "Waking a smaller boat" implies an intentional malicious action, and I don't think much, if any, of that goes on. I'd be the first to call someone to task if I suspected it. That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger boat, or stay away from where the big boys play. Geez...what an arrogant ass you are. He's a 'professional boater'..don't ya know, heads & shoulders above the common weekend recreational types. |
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"HK" wrote in message ... Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:54:08 -0500, "Scotty" wrote: Acording to someone on this group, it's his God given right to wake a smaller boat and you should just deal with it, or get off ''his'' waters. Not sure if he falls under #1 or # 2. ============================ No whine before its time. One man's ripple is another man's tsunami. "Waking a smaller boat" implies an intentional malicious action, and I don't think much, if any, of that goes on. I'd be the first to call someone to task if I suspected it. That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger boat, or stay away from where the big boys play. Geez...what an arrogant ass you are. Harry, there are some people on the ICW that you would have to drift by in neutral to satisfy. Most of them are sailboaters and local fishermen in jon boats sitting at anchor in the middle of the channel. On my trip, being the first time, I had studied up on all the rules and courtesies expected on the ICW. After a couple of days I realized that when others don't respect them and give you a one-finger salute instead ..... wake 'em! :-) Eisboch |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... One man's ripple is another man's tsunami. "Waking a smaller boat" implies an intentional malicious action, and I don't think much, if any, of that goes on. I'd be the first to call someone to task if I suspected it. That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger boat, or stay away from where the big boys play. In my limited experience traveling the ICW I saw no "intentional" waking of a slower or smaller vessel by the larger boats, with one exception. A large sportsfish blew by us and others at full speed, ignoring all speed zones. I heard on the radio that he was coming and to watch out. He was caught further down the ICW about an hour later. To be truthful, I saw more sailboat operators running on their engine, ignoring the "rules of the road". Not all, but many refused to give way or slow down a bit to allow safe, minimal wake passing by large power boats. Most at least moved over a bit and waved us by, but more than a few simply ignored the fact that we intended to overtake them, despite radio calls or appropriate toots on the horn to signal intent. I see more crazy powerboat operation in a single weekend at the entrance to Scituate harbor during the summer than anything I witnessed on the ICW and the biggest offenders are in smaller, outboard or I/O powered boats. Eisboch When you have powerboaters like Wayne B., who says, "That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger boat, or stay away from where the big boys play," then you don't have to wonder whether there are ill-mannered guys out there who don't give a damn about the havoc their wakes cause." I have seen plenty of powerboaters who do not give a tinker's dam about their wakes. I've seen it in the ICW, and I see it out on Chesapeake Bay, and I have seen it on the Patuxent River and its tributaries. |
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:54:08 -0500, "Scotty" wrote: Acording to someone on this group, it's his God given right to wake a smaller boat and you should just deal with it, or get off ''his'' waters. Not sure if he falls under #1 or # 2. ============================ No whine before its time. One man's ripple is another man's tsunami. "Waking a smaller boat" implies an intentional malicious action, and I don't think much, if any, of that goes on. I'd be the first to call someone to task if I suspected it. That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger boat, or stay away from where the big boys play. Geez...what an arrogant ass you are. Harry, there are some people on the ICW that you would have to drift by in neutral to satisfy. Most of them are sailboaters and local fishermen in jon boats sitting at anchor in the middle of the channel. On my trip, being the first time, I had studied up on all the rules and courtesies expected on the ICW. After a couple of days I realized that when others don't respect them and give you a one-finger salute instead ..... wake 'em! :-) Eisboch We lived in a house along the ICW for a number of years, and I spent a lot of time fishing along its banks and in its creeks. I saw - literally - hundreds of guys in large boats tossing up huge wakes and totally oblivious to where they were in time and space. I saw all manner of small boats swamped by these wakes, and I've seen the watercops chase after the slobs whose boats caused the damage. But that's neither here nor there. What does stand out is Wayne's arrogance. |
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HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:54:08 -0500, "Scotty" wrote: Acording to someone on this group, it's his God given right to wake a smaller boat and you should just deal with it, or get off ''his'' waters. Not sure if he falls under #1 or # 2. ============================ No whine before its time. One man's ripple is another man's tsunami. "Waking a smaller boat" implies an intentional malicious action, and I don't think much, if any, of that goes on. I'd be the first to call someone to task if I suspected it. That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger boat, or stay away from where the big boys play. Geez...what an arrogant ass you are. Harry, there are some people on the ICW that you would have to drift by in neutral to satisfy. Most of them are sailboaters and local fishermen in jon boats sitting at anchor in the middle of the channel. On my trip, being the first time, I had studied up on all the rules and courtesies expected on the ICW. After a couple of days I realized that when others don't respect them and give you a one-finger salute instead ..... wake 'em! :-) Eisboch We lived in a house along the ICW for a number of years, and I spent a lot of time fishing along its banks and in its creeks. I saw - literally - hundreds of guys in large boats tossing up huge wakes and totally oblivious to where they were in time and space. I saw all manner of small boats swamped by these wakes, and I've seen the watercops chase after the slobs whose boats caused the damage. But that's neither here nor there. What does stand out is Wayne's arrogance. Arrogance is in the eye of the beholder. |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. When you have powerboaters like Wayne B., who says, "That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger boat, or stay away from where the big boys play," then you don't have to wonder whether there are ill-mannered guys out there who don't give a damn about the havoc their wakes cause." I have seen plenty of powerboaters who do not give a tinker's dam about their wakes. I've seen it in the ICW, and I see it out on Chesapeake Bay, and I have seen it on the Patuxent River and its tributaries. Isn't that the point Wayne is making? If there are boats, there will be wakes, big and small. I've often been out on my little 13' Whaler navigating over a big (to it) wake from a passing large boat a mile away. I don't stand up, waving my one fingered hand, shouting curses at the distant or not so distant boat. Wayne's comment is not arrogance. It's realism. Eisboch |
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:17:52 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote: Wayne... doesn't matter if it's intentional or not. You're responsible for your wake. Having a bigger boat doesn't absolve you of your responsibilities; it increases them. The legality of being responsible for your wake is well understood. It is understood to mean that you are responsible for damage caused by your wake. It has been pointed out to me that my comment of "no blood, no foul" was possibly flippant and insensitive. Perhaps. It is however closely aligned with the legality of the issue. It is always a judgement call just how much wake reduction is actually called for in any given situation. I'm sure you'd agree that a kayak or rowing shell is at much more risk from a wake than a 30 or 40 something sailboat. Most responsible powerboaters are faced with that sort of decision process dozens of times in a typical afternoon on the water. It is absolutely unreasonable to expect zero wake in every circumstance unless you are on a boat that could actually be damaged by a relatively small wave. The fact is that we hear of very few cases where there is actual damage from a wake. So even though there is a lot of complaining going on, very little actual carnage is taking place. Insensitive? Frankly, I don't think so. I go out in both small and large boats. When I'm out in a small one I expect others to take reasonable precautions but I certainly don't expect flat water much as I might like it. A good helmsman on a boat, small or large, knows how to deal with a wake to minimize its effects. It's part of boating. By way of example, I recently took my 11 foot inflatable RIB dinghy for an afternoon ride on Pamlico Sound behind the Outer Banks of North Carolina. This an area of open water frequented by large numbers of sportfishing boats greater than 40 ft. You could argue that an 11 ft RIB is not really suited for those conditions but there I was anyway. Since the channel is none too wide in many places, I got waked at least a dozen times. Uncomfortable? You bet. Dangerous? Potentially. Nevertheless I was able to cope by managing my speed and angle of approach. Did I get paranoid and accuse anyone of deliberately endangering me? Heck no, I'm the one who chose to be in their playground, in a potentially unsuitable boat. |
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:04:07 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
I see more crazy powerboat operation in a single weekend at the entrance to Scituate harbor during the summer than anything I witnessed on the ICW and the biggest offenders are in smaller, outboard or I/O powered boats. Sounds like the Caloosahatchie River between Sanibel Island and Ft Myers on a nice winter weekend. It's like a non-stop demolition derby out there. The large boats are generally the most responsible, up to a point. There are those with this curious notion that no one should ever inconvenience them with a wake. They should spend some time on the Caloosahatchie. |
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:12:42 -0500, HK wrote:
I have seen plenty of powerboaters who do not give a tinker's dam about their wakes. I've seen it in the ICW, and I see it out on Chesapeake Bay, and I have seen it on the Patuxent River and its tributaries. Why should anyone worry about their wake on Chesapeake Bay? It's open water. The freighters don't worry about their wake, the Coast Guard doesn't, The US Navy does not, tug boats don't. Wakes happen. On a windy day the naturally occurring waves are 3 to 4 feet out there. Your transom is too low. Get over it, get a bigger boat, or don't go out where the big boys play. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:17:52 -0800, "Capt. JG" wrote: Wayne... doesn't matter if it's intentional or not. You're responsible for your wake. Having a bigger boat doesn't absolve you of your responsibilities; it increases them. The legality of being responsible for your wake is well understood. It is understood to mean that you are responsible for damage caused by your wake. It has been pointed out to me that my comment of "no blood, no foul" was possibly flippant and insensitive. Perhaps. It is however closely aligned with the legality of the issue. It is always a judgement call just how much wake reduction is actually called for in any given situation. I'm sure you'd agree that a kayak or rowing shell is at much more risk from a wake than a 30 or 40 something sailboat. Most responsible powerboaters are faced with that Ah... the problem is that there are a lot of boaters (power and otherwise) who are not acting responsibly. sort of decision process dozens of times in a typical afternoon on the water. It is absolutely unreasonable to expect zero wake in every circumstance unless you are on a boat that could actually be damaged by a relatively small wave. The fact is that we hear of very few cases where there is actual damage from a wake. So even though there is a lot of complaining going on, very little actual carnage is taking place. Insensitive? Frankly, I don't think so. I go out in both The issue seems to be that by talking about a large wake (in my professional judgement) you claimed that I was whining and complaining without justification. I believe my concerns were justified. small and large boats. When I'm out in a small one I expect others to take reasonable precautions but I certainly don't expect flat water much as I might like it. A good helmsman on a boat, small or large, knows how to deal with a wake to minimize its effects. It's part of boating. No one expects flat water. And, certain precautions can and should be taken. Where do you see that I was unable or didn't do that? The PBer in question was moving 5 or more times faster than we were, from astern of us, and came dangerously close (in my professional opinion). By way of example, I recently took my 11 foot inflatable RIB dinghy for an afternoon ride on Pamlico Sound behind the Outer Banks of North Carolina. This an area of open water frequented by large numbers of sportfishing boats greater than 40 ft. You could argue that an 11 ft RIB is not really suited for those conditions but there I was anyway. Since the channel is none too wide in many places, I got waked at least a dozen times. Uncomfortable? You bet. Dangerous? Potentially. Nevertheless I was able to cope by managing my speed and angle of approach. Did I get paranoid and accuse anyone of deliberately endangering me? Heck no, I'm the one who chose to be in their playground, in a potentially unsuitable boat. Nice story, but that has nothing to do with the situation I described. If you feel it was dangerous, you shouldn't have gone there in that. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:13:07 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote: By way of example, I recently took my 11 foot inflatable RIB dinghy for an afternoon ride on Pamlico Sound behind the Outer Banks of North Carolina. This an area of open water frequented by large numbers of sportfishing boats greater than 40 ft. You could argue that an 11 ft RIB is not really suited for those conditions but there I was anyway. Since the channel is none too wide in many places, I got waked at least a dozen times. Uncomfortable? You bet. Dangerous? Potentially. Nevertheless I was able to cope by managing my speed and angle of approach. Did I get paranoid and accuse anyone of deliberately endangering me? Heck no, I'm the one who chose to be in their playground, in a potentially unsuitable boat. Nice story, but that has nothing to do with the situation I described. If you feel it was dangerous, you shouldn't have gone there in that. Precisely. These sportfish were moving fast however, and coming a lot closer than you'd really like. No blood, no foul. It gets interesting if I'm capsized however. They are resposible for their wake, we all know that. What about my quesionable judgement however (too small a boat), and failure to negotiate a dangerous wave in a seamanlike manner. Life is complicated sometimes. |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:12:42 -0500, HK wrote: I have seen plenty of powerboaters who do not give a tinker's dam about their wakes. I've seen it in the ICW, and I see it out on Chesapeake Bay, and I have seen it on the Patuxent River and its tributaries. Why should anyone worry about their wake on Chesapeake Bay? It's open water. The freighters don't worry about their wake, the Coast Guard doesn't, The US Navy does not, tug boats don't. Wakes happen. On a windy day the naturally occurring waves are 3 to 4 feet out there. Your transom is too low. Get over it, get a bigger boat, or don't go out where the big boys play. There are plenty of places on the Bay where very small boats congregate. You probably don't notice them. There are guys out there in rowboats, kayaks, canoes, not in the middle of the bay, but not far offshore, near inlets, creeks, et cetera. Most boaters slow down anytime they get near these guys, so they don't cause them problems. The arrogant ass boaters, of course, don't. |
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. When you have powerboaters like Wayne B., who says, "That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger boat, or stay away from where the big boys play," then you don't have to wonder whether there are ill-mannered guys out there who don't give a damn about the havoc their wakes cause." I have seen plenty of powerboaters who do not give a tinker's dam about their wakes. I've seen it in the ICW, and I see it out on Chesapeake Bay, and I have seen it on the Patuxent River and its tributaries. Isn't that the point Wayne is making? If there are boats, there will be wakes, big and small. I've often been out on my little 13' Whaler navigating over a big (to it) wake from a passing large boat a mile away. I don't stand up, waving my one fingered hand, shouting curses at the distant or not so distant boat. Wayne's comment is not arrogance. It's realism. Eisboch Observant, considerate boaters whose craft throw up big wakes slow down when they find themselves among other boaters so their wakes flatten out and don't create a serious problem. Arrogant boaters don't slow down. |
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:51:08 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
Wayne's comment is not arrogance. It's realism. Thank you. There are a lot of wake whiners out there. :-) |
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:59:36 -0500, HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:12:42 -0500, HK wrote: I have seen plenty of powerboaters who do not give a tinker's dam about their wakes. I've seen it in the ICW, and I see it out on Chesapeake Bay, and I have seen it on the Patuxent River and its tributaries. Why should anyone worry about their wake on Chesapeake Bay? It's open water. The freighters don't worry about their wake, the Coast Guard doesn't, The US Navy does not, tug boats don't. Wakes happen. On a windy day the naturally occurring waves are 3 to 4 feet out there. Your transom is too low. Get over it, get a bigger boat, or don't go out where the big boys play. There are plenty of places on the Bay where very small boats congregate. You probably don't notice them. There are guys out there in rowboats, kayaks, canoes, not in the middle of the bay, but not far offshore, near inlets, creeks, et cetera. Most boaters slow down anytime they get near these guys, so they don't cause them problems. The arrogant ass boaters, of course, don't. I *always* slow down for rowboats, kayaks and canoes, even when they are where they don't belong. Everyone else is a judgement call. I don't believe we have ever endangered anyone with our wake but there are lots of "wake whiners" out there who expect flat water where ever they go. Some of them are in large sailboats which is kind of comical. |
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