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''a mile away''? Now you're just being stupid. A couple of things: 1) You have never been on Lake Erie when a 1,000 ft ore boat with 60,000 tons of ore on board, travelling at 25 knots goes down the lake on the assigned mid lake course. You know by the bow wave they leave as they pass you 4-5 miles away. 2) You obviously have you head where the moon doesn't shine. Lew |
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 22:02:20 -0500, "Scotty" wrote:
arrogant, pompous, asshole named Wayne. Look in a mirrror. Moron. |
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HK wrote:
Eisboch When you have powerboaters like Wayne B., who says, "That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger boat, or stay away from where the big boys play," then you don't have to wonder whether there are ill-mannered guys out there who don't give a damn about the havoc their wakes cause." I have seen plenty of powerboaters who do not give a tinker's dam about their wakes. I've seen it in the ICW, and I see it out on Chesapeake Bay, and I have seen it on the Patuxent River and its tributaries. Wakes do happen, and on a calm day can travel one hell of a long way. I have been on the lake and been hit by a large wake, and have looked up to see a boat that appears to be a mile away. If you made the ICW truly wake free, you would have all boats creeping barely being able to steer. If I am not in a no wake zone or 500 ft. from the shore or a anchored boat, I really don't think about my wake, but I know I am making one, and yes it can impact on the shoreline and boats tied up on a dock. If you were honest with yourself, you would have to agree that your boat does make a wake, and yes that wake has made some impact on other boats, shorelines and docked boats. How often have you been boating on the Bay with very little wind, yet the bay is very choppy from everyone's wake. |
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HK wrote:
Most of the sailboats I see out on Chesapeake Bay aren't motoring along at any knots, they're under sail. And if I am following one up a narrow river or inlet, I can get around it easily enough if I need to without churning up a wake. What speed is the sailboat going and what speed are you going when you pass them? Even at 5 mph in a 21' ft. you will be leaving a wake. |
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JimH wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "HK" wrote in message ... otnmbrd wrote: Was delivering a 110' boat to Fla., running down the ditch..... was an open stretch, nothing in sight ahead, just the occasional side channel, doin about 10K. All of a sudden, looked up one of those side channels and noticed a fisherman in a small flat bottom boat.... Oh Sh&t!!.....pulled em back but knew it was too late! As we went by, we could see that we'd sucked every last drop of water out of that side channel and this "Goodoleboy" was high and dry in the mud with his lower jaw hangin about down to his kneecaps. Bout this time the water rushed back in to fill the void and all we saw was assholes, elbows, and fishing poles flying in all kinds of directions...... Few minutes later we were overtaken by this "gentleman" from the South who had many choice words to say about our "Yankee" heritage.....worst part was that his anger became all the more incensed by the fact that we were all ready in a total fit of laughter and the more he yelled the worse our fit became!!! To this day, I'm not sure how we kept that boat in the channel till he finally gave up the chase! It would have been really funny for you if someone in his boat had drowned. Sorta raises a question though. What is the purpose of the ICW? Is it an inland waterway for boat traffic or is it a private fishing channel for locals? Eisboch I say........both. It actually was built as a commercial waterway, that allows rec.boaters and fishing. A large barge, no matter what they do, will have a major impact on rec.boaters, fishing from the shore and small boats, and on the shoreline. A smart boater will stay out of the way of a barge. |
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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. HK wrote: Most of the sailboats I see out on Chesapeake Bay aren't motoring along at any knots, they're under sail. And if I am following one up a narrow river or inlet, I can get around it easily enough if I need to without churning up a wake. What speed is the sailboat going and what speed are you going when you pass them? Even at 5 mph in a 21' ft. you will be leaving a wake. Not Harry's new boat. It just leaves "bubbles". :-) Here's a good write up of my primary interest of this subject as it relates to the ICW. Of particular relevance to me is the "Perfect Pass" paragraphs. One thing I learned about the ICW. Next time I'll run "outside" much more. The ICW is interesting and I wanted to experience and see it but it can become stressful and tiring trying to navigate, pass other boats, pass private docks, watch out for fishermen etc. always in a courteous manner. It seems no matter how careful you are, you are occasionally going to **** somebody off. http://www.cruisingworld.com/article...ID=419&catID=0 Eisboch |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote: Eisboch When you have powerboaters like Wayne B., who says, "That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger boat, or stay away from where the big boys play," then you don't have to wonder whether there are ill-mannered guys out there who don't give a damn about the havoc their wakes cause." I have seen plenty of powerboaters who do not give a tinker's dam about their wakes. I've seen it in the ICW, and I see it out on Chesapeake Bay, and I have seen it on the Patuxent River and its tributaries. Wakes do happen, and on a calm day can travel one hell of a long way. I have been on the lake and been hit by a large wake, and have looked up to see a boat that appears to be a mile away. If you made the ICW truly wake free, you would have all boats creeping barely being able to steer. If I am not in a no wake zone or 500 ft. from the shore or a anchored boat, I really don't think about my wake, but I know I am making one, and yes it can impact on the shoreline and boats tied up on a dock. If you were honest with yourself, you would have to agree that your boat does make a wake, and yes that wake has made some impact on other boats, shorelines and docked boats. How often have you been boating on the Bay with very little wind, yet the bay is very choppy from everyone's wake. Lots of times. The Bay is "choppy" as often as not, with or without the wind, because of all the boat traffic, especially in the shallow inlet bays. But "choppy" is a lot different than the huge waves some semi-conscious a**holes create with their boat wakes near small boats. |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote: Most of the sailboats I see out on Chesapeake Bay aren't motoring along at any knots, they're under sail. And if I am following one up a narrow river or inlet, I can get around it easily enough if I need to without churning up a wake. What speed is the sailboat going and what speed are you going when you pass them? Even at 5 mph in a 21' ft. you will be leaving a wake. Stop splitting hairs, Reggie. At really low speeds, my boat leaves a practically flat wake that isn't going to cause any small boats nearby any grief. |
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:09:32 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:29:06 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote: Yep, especially when you were slammed by one in a 20 footer. Bigger boat does not relate to bigger dick Wayne, although it may compensate for it in your case. That seems uncalled for. What happened to "lead by example"? Like politics, this discussion, although initially worthwhile, has run it's course. Eisboch Ok. But I must say that these wake issues is why I will boat in a Mac 26X/M or a Carolina Skiff. 12-16 inches draft. Lead the big boys onto the shoals and oyster flats when they try to wake me. Might get a Sea-Tow referral sideline set up to defray gas costs. --Vic These wake issue are a could reason to re-think a Mac 26. Without proper ballast, and especially with the board up you'll be bobbing and rolling like a cork. Lee |
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:59:15 -0500, Lee Rayl
wrote: Ok. But I must say that these wake issues is why I will boat in a Mac 26X/M or a Carolina Skiff. 12-16 inches draft. Lead the big boys onto the shoals and oyster flats when they try to wake me. Might get a Sea-Tow referral sideline set up to defray gas costs. --Vic These wake issue are a could reason to re-think a Mac 26. Without proper ballast, and especially with the board up you'll be bobbing and rolling like a cork. Sounds like you have one of these Mac 26's. Thanks for the advice. --Vic |
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:08:26 -0500, HK wrote:
Stop splitting hairs, Reggie. At really low speeds, my boat leaves a practically flat wake that isn't going to cause any small boats nearby any grief. And how often do you run at really low speed? We thought you were on the fast track, getting out to those fish as quickly as possible. Virtually everyone I know with a boat that will run at planing speeds can't wait to get up and moving because the ride is so miserable at slow speed. |
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 02:10:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
Please be careful with your attributes. I didn't say that. Eisboch I knew that. :-) |
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 06:47:55 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: How often have you been boating on the Bay with very little wind, yet the bay is very choppy from everyone's wake. It happens all the time, just about everywhere there is boating activity. Wakes rebound off seawalls and the shore, and keep bouncing around for a long time. |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:08:26 -0500, HK wrote: Stop splitting hairs, Reggie. At really low speeds, my boat leaves a practically flat wake that isn't going to cause any small boats nearby any grief. And how often do you run at really low speed? We thought you were on the fast track, getting out to those fish as quickly as possible. Virtually everyone I know with a boat that will run at planing speeds can't wait to get up and moving because the ride is so miserable at slow speed. Obviously your circle is filled with jerks. We spend some time exploring the smaller rivers and creeks around here, and when we do, slow speeds are the way to go. My Parker rides just fine at slow speeds, and at those speeds, you can barely hear the engine and there is no exhaust smell. It's great being out in all that air, just a few feet above the water. You see things you simply cannot see if you're on an RV barge. Of course, you wouldn't be able to take that oversized, diesel-smelling barge into some of the waters we frequent... |
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:07:11 -0500, HK wrote:
But "choppy" is a lot different than the huge waves some semi-conscious a**holes create with their boat wakes near small boats. They are probably not semiconscious at all, just faced with a flotilla of small boats spread out in front of them while they are running where they belong. On open water small boats should have no expectation of wake avoidance. If you go out there, accept the risks without whinning. |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 06:47:55 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: How often have you been boating on the Bay with very little wind, yet the bay is very choppy from everyone's wake. It happens all the time, just about everywhere there is boating activity. Wakes rebound off seawalls and the shore, and keep bouncing around for a long time. I know, my question was really rhetorical. |
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Scotty wrote:
" JimH" ask wrote in message ... "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On open water small boats should have no expectation of wake avoidance. If you go out there, accept the risks without whinning. Huh? Is that how you operate? Thank God his type is only a small percentage of real boaters. This little thread has been very revealing about Wayne. |
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:06:48 -0500, HK wrote:
This little thread has been very revealing about Wayne. And you too Harry. Who would have thought you were such a wake wussy whiner? |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:06:48 -0500, HK wrote: This little thread has been very revealing about Wayne. And you too Harry. Who would have thought you were such a wake wussy whiner? I don't have problems with wakes caused by inconsiderate boaters, but I have seen small boats swamped and overturned by arrogant a**holes in big boats. |
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:36:53 -0500, HK wrote:
I don't have problems with wakes caused by inconsiderate boaters, but I have seen small boats swamped and overturned by arrogant a**holes in big boats. You'll be glad to know that I don't do that. |
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HK wrote:
Scotty wrote: " JimH" ask wrote in message ... "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On open water small boats should have no expectation of wake avoidance. If you go out there, accept the risks without whinning. Huh? Is that how you operate? Thank God his type is only a small percentage of real boaters. This little thread has been very revealing about Wayne. When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries. |
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:11:53 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:
In any event is certainly looks like you need to learn the rules of the road and common boater courtesy Wayne as you somehow think the guy with the bigger boat owns the water. Not true at all. I am saying that if you take a small boat onto open water that you need to be able to deal with all of the hazzards out there. Wakes are one of those hazzards and they travel a long way. |
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On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said:
When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries. On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only moderate winds. A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the litigation blasted through their community. Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is manageable. Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile. -- Jere Lull Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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Jere Lull wrote:
On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said: When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries. On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only moderate winds. A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the litigation blasted through their community. Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is manageable. Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile. Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a significant problem, in my experience. |
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HK wrote:
Jere Lull wrote: On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said: When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries. On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only moderate winds. A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the litigation blasted through their community. Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is manageable. Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile. Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a significant problem, in my experience. The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a wake larger than a container ship. |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote: Jere Lull wrote: On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said: When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries. On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only moderate winds. A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the litigation blasted through their community. Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is manageable. Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile. Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a significant problem, in my experience. The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a wake larger than a container ship. Gee, how many large container ships do you encounter on Lake Lanier? |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote: Jere Lull wrote: On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said: When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries. On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only moderate winds. A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the litigation blasted through their community. Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is manageable. Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile. Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a significant problem, in my experience. The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a wake larger than a container ship. Down in the lower bay, Point Lookout and south you see a container ship coming and you know that the bow wave is going to be worst part, it generates a big roller. |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... Traffic cannot be expected to look up every side-channel and slow down in time if there's boats in them. They'd have to slow down for every side channel because by the time they could see small boats in them going at speed it would be too late to slow down. The burden is on the small boat fishing to keep clear of dangerous wakes coming from the ICW. Go fish someplace else. There is a rule that says fishing boats shall not impede traffic in a channel. Wilbur Hubbard At some point in the Carolinas (I think South, but can't remember for sure) we came upon a large fleet of small jon boats, anchored and fishing, smack in the middle of the channel and along it's shoreline. The guy ahead of us in a trawler tried to get around them to the left and promptly ran aground. After several minutes of deliberations, I started weaving my way between the boats at idle speed on my 52' vessel. Despite this, we still got the one finger salute from many of the boats along with references to certain parts of one's anatomy. Shuda waked them. Eisboch The "W" in ICW stands for waterway. By definition, it's a passage for boats to travel. Fisherman have to understand that and yield to the traffic. Of course some won't and their special salutes should be ignored. |
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HK wrote:
Scotty wrote: " JimH" ask wrote in message ... "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On open water small boats should have no expectation of wake avoidance. If you go out there, accept the risks without whinning. Huh? Is that how you operate? Thank God his type is only a small percentage of real boaters. This little thread has been very revealing about Wayne. *You're* talking about a "revealing" thread? |
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JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Jere Lull wrote: On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said: When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries. On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only moderate winds. A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the litigation blasted through their community. Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is manageable. Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile. Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a significant problem, in my experience. The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a wake larger than a container ship. Gee, how many large container ships do you encounter on Lake Lanier? Damn, you beat me to it! I'm just playing along; I don't believe for a moment Reggie has a boat. |
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HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Jere Lull wrote: On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said: When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries. On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only moderate winds. A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the litigation blasted through their community. Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is manageable. Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile. Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a significant problem, in my experience. The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a wake larger than a container ship. Gee, how many large container ships do you encounter on Lake Lanier? None on Lake Lanier, as I have said before, I have gone boating from the Great Lakes to Key West. |
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JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... HK wrote: Jere Lull wrote: On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said: When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries. On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only moderate winds. A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the litigation blasted through their community. Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is manageable. Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile. Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a significant problem, in my experience. The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a wake larger than a container ship. Do you see many container ships on Lake Lanier? No I don't. |
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JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Jere Lull wrote: On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said: When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries. On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only moderate winds. A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the litigation blasted through their community. Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is manageable. Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile. Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a significant problem, in my experience. The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a wake larger than a container ship. Gee, how many large container ships do you encounter on Lake Lanier? Reggie has previously stated that he owns a house boat. I would guess he cannot take wakes any larger than those produced by PWC. Maybe that is why he spends all his boating time at the dock........you know.......real boating hours. ;-) No, you are incorrect. I said I spent the night on a houseboat, owned by the marina owner. I never said I owned a houseboat. |
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HK wrote:
JimH wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Jere Lull wrote: On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said: When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries. On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only moderate winds. A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the litigation blasted through their community. Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is manageable. Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile. Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a significant problem, in my experience. The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a wake larger than a container ship. Gee, how many large container ships do you encounter on Lake Lanier? Damn, you beat me to it! I'm just playing along; I don't believe for a moment Reggie has a boat. Harry, Now you did it, JimH is going to go from thinking I own a houseboat to not owning any boat. You need to give him a score card so he can keep up with the action. |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction BlocksTraffic
JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Jere Lull wrote: On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said: When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries. On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only moderate winds. A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the litigation blasted through their community. Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is manageable. Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile. Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a significant problem, in my experience. The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a wake larger than a container ship. Gee, how many large container ships do you encounter on Lake Lanier? None on Lake Lanier, as I have said before, I have gone boating from the Great Lakes to Key West. Hmmm. A while back you said you regularly boat along the east coast, including the Atlantic. So which is it Jim Gallow, errr.........Reggie? And how is that different than what I just said? |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction BlocksTraffic
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Jere Lull wrote: On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said: When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries. On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only moderate winds. A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the litigation blasted through their community. Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is manageable. Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile. Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a significant problem, in my experience. The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a wake larger than a container ship. Gee, how many large container ships do you encounter on Lake Lanier? None on Lake Lanier, as I have said before, I have gone boating from the Great Lakes to Key West. Sure you have. |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction BlocksTraffic
JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Jere Lull wrote: On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said: When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries. On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only moderate winds. A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the litigation blasted through their community. Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is manageable. Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile. Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a significant problem, in my experience. The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a wake larger than a container ship. Gee, how many large container ships do you encounter on Lake Lanier? None on Lake Lanier, as I have said before, I have gone boating from the Great Lakes to Key West. Hmmm. A while back you said you regularly boat along the east coast, including the Atlantic. So which is it Jim Gallow, errr.........Reggie? And how is that different than what I just said? Welcome back Jim Gallow..................although you really never left. ;-) I think you have crossed the line once you start calling me names, but I really can't figure out what your point is. |
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