"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
...
Ask me anytime for more help on this thread. Text out your email
address if you want to take this to email....

Larry, can you come to me off-group? I'd like to talk a bit with you about
Ham and the only address I have for you didn't bounce, but I didn't get a
reply, either...

skipgundlach at earthlink dot net

Thanks.

L8R

Skip



--
"And then again, when you sit at the helm of your little ship on a clear
night, and gaze at the countless stars overhead, and realize that you are
quite alone on a great, wide sea, it is apt to occur to you that in the
general scheme of things you are merely an insignificant speck on the
surface of the ocean; and are not nearly so important or as self-sufficient
as you thought you were. Which is an exceedingly wholesome thought, and one
that may effect a permanent change in your deportment that will be greatly
appreciated by your friends."- James S. Pitkin

Earthlink has Knology Cable blacklisted because some jerk spammed them
from Knology's domain. I can't even send an email to my girlfriend
from Knology......dammit.

I got a new email account, today, so I could email her when she goes
to her other home in Costa Rica. Let's email me on that disposable
address:
w4csc at yahoo dot com Give that a try and let's see how it works. I
never had a yahoo before, well, at least one with email service...(c;

Do you know the guys over at the UGA ham club station? I think I
remember the university having a nice one many years back. I suppose
it's still there. Email me your connection with UGA....See you on
email.

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:41:14 GMT, "Skip Gundlach"
wrote:

"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
...
Ask me anytime for more help on this thread. Text out your email
address if you want to take this to email....

Larry, can you come to me off-group? I'd like to talk a bit with you about
Ham and the only address I have for you didn't bounce, but I didn't get a
reply, either...

skipgundlach at earthlink dot net

Thanks.

L8R

Skip



--
"And then again, when you sit at the helm of your little ship on a clear
night, and gaze at the countless stars overhead, and realize that you are
quite alone on a great, wide sea, it is apt to occur to you that in the
general scheme of things you are merely an insignificant speck on the
surface of the ocean; and are not nearly so important or as self-sufficient
as you thought you were. Which is an exceedingly wholesome thought, and one
that may effect a permanent change in your deportment that will be greatly
appreciated by your friends."- James S. Pitkin




Larry W4CSC

Earthlink has Knology Cable blacklisted because some jerk spammed them
from Knology's domain. I can't even send an email to my girlfriend
from Knology......dammit.

I got a new email account, today, so I could email her when she goes
to her other home in Costa Rica. Let's email me on that disposable
address:
w4csc at yahoo dot com Give that a try and let's see how it works. I
never had a yahoo before, well, at least one with email service...(c;

Do you know the guys over at the UGA ham club station? I think I
remember the university having a nice one many years back. I suppose
it's still there. Email me your connection with UGA....See you on
email.

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:41:14 GMT, "Skip Gundlach"
wrote:

"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
...
Ask me anytime for more help on this thread. Text out your email
address if you want to take this to email....

Larry, can you come to me off-group? I'd like to talk a bit with you about
Ham and the only address I have for you didn't bounce, but I didn't get a
reply, either...

skipgundlach at earthlink dot net

Thanks.

L8R

Skip



--
"And then again, when you sit at the helm of your little ship on a clear
night, and gaze at the countless stars overhead, and realize that you are
quite alone on a great, wide sea, it is apt to occur to you that in the
general scheme of things you are merely an insignificant speck on the
surface of the ocean; and are not nearly so important or as self-sufficient
as you thought you were. Which is an exceedingly wholesome thought, and one
that may effect a permanent change in your deportment that will be greatly
appreciated by your friends."- James S. Pitkin




Larry W4CSC

"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
...
Ask me anytime for more help on this thread. Text out your email
address if you want to take this to email....

Larry, can you come to me off-group? I'd like to talk a bit with you about
Ham and the only address I have for you didn't bounce, but I didn't get a
reply, either...

skipgundlach at earthlink dot net

Thanks.

L8R

Skip



--
"And then again, when you sit at the helm of your little ship on a clear
night, and gaze at the countless stars overhead, and realize that you are
quite alone on a great, wide sea, it is apt to occur to you that in the
general scheme of things you are merely an insignificant speck on the
surface of the ocean; and are not nearly so important or as self-sufficient
as you thought you were. Which is an exceedingly wholesome thought, and one
that may effect a permanent change in your deportment that will be greatly
appreciated by your friends."- James S. Pitkin

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 19:48:08 -0800, "Steve" wrote:

I picked up a Yeoman Plotter on ebay and although the manuals are pretty
good on the operation they do lack on the technical stuff.

I need to know the Pin Out of the 4 pin data connecter.. The unit came with
a new OEM data cable with the corrrect 4 pin plug, however it only has two
wires. These are labeled as RED = Data + and BLACK = Data - ..

Only 4 wires?? They must have cut some off for a specific GPS-only,
Data In ONLY connection. Ok, let's look at the Yeoman connections on:
http://www.yeomanuk.co.uk/tech/yds062.doc
Open it with Wordpad so you can see the graphics.

White = NMEA IN A (+)
Blue = NMEA IN B (-)
Oh, look! It has a REAL NMEA input!....balanced line!

Green = NMEA OUT A (+)
Thin Black = NMEA OUT B (-) which is also GROUND (dammit) and the
negative DC input from your power panel negative bus
Red = +12VDC from your DC panel breaker/switch. (Yeoman has no power
switch I know of)

This OEM data cable must not be a Yeoman cable but something made up
for a specific GPS to input data to! The colors and cabling above is
the cabling that came from Yeoman with every Sport XL I ever saw.

Blue and thin Black are, unfortunately, connected together in
Lionheart's network because of so many single ended data connections
already on the multiplexer's output, the main data to everything NMEA.
White is connected to our master NMEA data output and green is hooked
to one of the multiplexer's input ports so the Yeoman can talk to
every chart plotter on the boat for waypoint input. Yeoman has an
inline fuse holder to protect the red +12V thin wiring from shorts.

The Navigator Pro is wired the same way with the same wiring code. It
doesn't have a connector hanging out, either...just wires.

I think someone put that connector on it to connect it for input from
a GPS receiver of some sort. Cut the plug off and you'll probably
find these wires in this color code with the missing ones taped off or
just cut.

B & G owns Yeoman now. Simrad owns B & G, recently. Yeoman user
manuals are on:
http://www.bandg.com/techsupport.htm
Where all the B&G manuals are online free.
You can contact them about Yeoman matters on:

in the USA. We have all B&G Network instruments and Network Pilot
autopilot. First rate stuff from a first rate company. They've been
really helpful every time I've had a problem.

If you have to replace the main interface cable, you'll find it
connects with a 6 pin board connector B&G will supply to the main
computer board, which is mated to the main plotting signal board
inside your Yeoman, in a plastic box that comes apart. To replace it
is easy. separate the box containing the computer board where the
cable goes through a hole, unplug the old cable and plug in the new
one NOTING WHICH COLORS GO WHERE BETWEEN CABLES. You can plug it in
backwards if you try really hard. You can also screw up by getting it
one pin off if you aren't careful. It's not rocket science to
replace. B&G will sell you a whole computer board, amazingly enough,
for $75. Ours was fried and I replaced it. It just plugs into the
main plotter board with pin connectors and is held in place with a few
screws. The puck is the big plug to the main computer board....

Ask me anytime for more help on this thread. Text out your email
address if you want to take this to email....

Yeoman is a class device. I was skeptical until sailing with
ours....(c;



I have hooked it up with the assumption that the Data + is the NMEA In and
the Data - is the signal ground. It works fine for the GPS input..

However, What about the NMEA Out that it is suppose to have?? I have to
assume that the NMEA Out is on the connector but this cable was made up just
for the NMEA In.

Only two other pins to experiment with but I don't have the test gear to
check for the correct output..

Anyone have any experience with this or any suggestions??

Larry, you were telling us about hooking one up on Lionheart.. Could you
comment??

Also, I'm wondering it if is ok to mark on the plastic chart cover sheet to
maintain a plot as I would on a paper chart??Would pencil erase ok on that
stuff??

Steve
s/v Good Intentions




Larry W4CSC

"Steve" wrote in message =
news =20
Also, I'm wondering it if is ok to mark on the plastic chart cover =
sheet to
maintain a plot as I would on a paper chart??Would pencil erase ok on =
that
stuff??
=20

Steve, I wouldn't use an ordinary pencil since it may permanently mark =
the soft plastic. I use a chinagraph pencil on my Yeoman. (Are they =
found under another name in the USA? If so, see =
http://www.armadilloart.com/chinagraph_pencils.htm). Chinagraph pencils =
are soft enough to write on plastic without any permanent groove being =
made.

John

"John Weston" wrote in message
...

"Steve" wrote in message
news
Also, I'm wondering it if is ok to mark on the plastic chart cover sheet
to
maintain a plot as I would on a paper chart??Would pencil erase ok on that
stuff??


Steve, I wouldn't use an ordinary pencil since it may permanently mark the
soft plastic. I use a chinagraph pencil on my Yeoman. (Are they found under
another name in the USA? If so, see
http://www.armadilloart.com/chinagraph_pencils.htm). Chinagraph pencils are
soft enough to write on plastic without any permanent groove being made.

John

We often call them "Grease Pencils" in Canada.
--
Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin
Cape Breton Island, Canada
kenheaton AT ess wye dee DOT eastlink DOT ca

"John Weston" wrote in message
...

"Steve" wrote in message
news
Also, I'm wondering it if is ok to mark on the plastic chart cover sheet
to
maintain a plot as I would on a paper chart??Would pencil erase ok on that
stuff??


Steve, I wouldn't use an ordinary pencil since it may permanently mark the
soft plastic. I use a chinagraph pencil on my Yeoman. (Are they found under
another name in the USA? If so, see
http://www.armadilloart.com/chinagraph_pencils.htm). Chinagraph pencils are
soft enough to write on plastic without any permanent groove being made.

John

We often call them "Grease Pencils" in Canada.
--
Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin
Cape Breton Island, Canada
kenheaton AT ess wye dee DOT eastlink DOT ca

"Steve" wrote in message =
news =20
Also, I'm wondering it if is ok to mark on the plastic chart cover =
sheet to
maintain a plot as I would on a paper chart??Would pencil erase ok on =
that
stuff??
=20

Steve, I wouldn't use an ordinary pencil since it may permanently mark =
the soft plastic. I use a chinagraph pencil on my Yeoman. (Are they =
found under another name in the USA? If so, see =
http://www.armadilloart.com/chinagraph_pencils.htm). Chinagraph pencils =
are soft enough to write on plastic without any permanent groove being =
made.

John

Ok! Since I haven't gotten any helpful info from Yeoman or otherwise to
determine the pin out of the 4 pin data connector, I took things into my own
hands..

I opened up the plotter bed for access to the computer and the
interconnections..

Sure is a simple thing.. But that's another story..

To my immediate relief, there are 4 wires going from the circuit board to
the 4 pin connnector.. The colors don't exactly match those given for the 5
pin plug discribed on the web site. However Data IN is correct and there is
Green wire that 'may' correspond to the Data OUT. Signal Gnd should be the
same for both but there just happens to be two more wires of different
colors left over, one of which I'm using for Data IN signal gnd. I didn't
have any test equipment on board and most likely will do a trial and error
once I install a 4 conductor cable on the OEM plug.. (problem there-- it's
molded and not intended to be opened. I'll have to cut away the mold strain
relief and epoxy it back with the new wires.)

While I was in there poking around, I open the shield cover on the main
circuit board, to look for markings where the harness plugged in. None.. I
noted that the EPROM was marked with YM-22 Copy Right 1992. No other circuit
board ID but I wasn't able to inspect the solder side if the board..

I have ask BandGUS tech support about a full new circuit board with new
firmware to upgrade the unit.. Still waiting for a reply..

I know, that to some, this Yeoman may seem like "old tech" and not worth
messing with.. There does seem to be some 'die-hard' Yeoman devotees and as
I look at the simplicity of the whole scheme, I'm think seriously about
building the thin matrix mat into my chart table (as Larry has discribed). I
don't have the room for the whole plotting table to mount under the chart
table but I did check today and the mat and circuit board box assembly will
fit nicely.. The other cable are provided with connectors..

To justify my scheme, I can maintain my paper chart plot at all times and
put the laptop away once the more complex route planning has been completed
and the waypoints uploaded to the GPS.. The Yeoman only draws .5 amps and
can be used to solve near time nav problems and to update the plot.. If all
systems crash, the plot is still there on the Yeoman chart cover..

BTW.. I just tried pencil and ball point ink on the plastic cover.. The
pencil was hardly visiable and I suspect would eventually start smearing and
scratching.. With the ball point and only light pressure the ink transfered
to make a nice clean line. The plastic chart protector is made of a rather
hard plastic and there didn't seem to be any impression from the ball point.
To clean it off I just used a damp tissue.

I'll provide an update when I have more revelation or results.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions