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Berthing a single engine cruiser in reverse
I have a small single engine inboard/outboard cruiser which is normally kept
on a mooring. I have just spent a few days at a berth and would like some references for articles on berthing under a range of conditions, to improve my skills and knowledge of the subject. Any suggestions on the best source of articles etc? Thanks in advance |
Berthing a single engine cruiser in reverse
http://www.his.com/~vann/KrgStuff/Krognidx.htm
Be patient for the pix to load, then scroll down about 3/4 down the page and in the FAQ you'll find several good articles about handling single screw vessels. "John Smith" wrote in message ... I have a small single engine inboard/outboard cruiser which is normally kept on a mooring. I have just spent a few days at a berth and would like some references for articles on berthing under a range of conditions, to improve my skills and knowledge of the subject. Any suggestions on the best source of articles etc? Thanks in advance |
Berthing a single engine cruiser in reverse
http://www.his.com/~vann/KrgStuff/Krognidx.htm
Be patient for the pix to load, then scroll down about 3/4 down the page and in the FAQ you'll find several good articles about handling single screw vessels. "John Smith" wrote in message ... I have a small single engine inboard/outboard cruiser which is normally kept on a mooring. I have just spent a few days at a berth and would like some references for articles on berthing under a range of conditions, to improve my skills and knowledge of the subject. Any suggestions on the best source of articles etc? Thanks in advance |
Berthing a single engine cruiser in reverse
On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 09:55:46 GMT, "John Smith"
wrote: I have a small single engine inboard/outboard cruiser which is normally kept on a mooring. I have just spent a few days at a berth and would like some references for articles on berthing under a range of conditions, to improve my skills and knowledge of the subject. Any suggestions on the best source of articles etc? Thanks in advance So that he does have to "toot his own horn", I would suggest Charles T. Low. http://www.boatdocking.com/ Jack __________________________________________________ Jack Dale Swiftsure Sailing Academy Director/ISPA and CYA Instructor http://www.swiftsuresailing.com Phone: 1 (877) 470-SAIL (toll free) __________________________________________________ |
Berthing a single engine cruiser in reverse
On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 09:55:46 GMT, "John Smith"
wrote: I have a small single engine inboard/outboard cruiser which is normally kept on a mooring. I have just spent a few days at a berth and would like some references for articles on berthing under a range of conditions, to improve my skills and knowledge of the subject. Any suggestions on the best source of articles etc? Thanks in advance So that he does have to "toot his own horn", I would suggest Charles T. Low. http://www.boatdocking.com/ Jack __________________________________________________ Jack Dale Swiftsure Sailing Academy Director/ISPA and CYA Instructor http://www.swiftsuresailing.com Phone: 1 (877) 470-SAIL (toll free) __________________________________________________ |
Berthing a single engine cruiser in reverse
So far, it appears that both responses have provided links to sites that
'seem' to discribe docking procedures for prop and rudder boats. However the OP has a I/O.. Although I have operated many single and twin scew vessels over the years, I have only tried my hand and OB or I/O boats (excluding dingies) a few times and know that the procedure is different since the prop is on your 'rudder'. Back and fill doesn't really apply with the I/O or the OB since you can steer your stern while backing. I have no specific advice to give here except to practice and you will get the hang of it.. Steve s/v Good Intentions |
Berthing a single engine cruiser in reverse
So far, it appears that both responses have provided links to sites that
'seem' to discribe docking procedures for prop and rudder boats. However the OP has a I/O.. Although I have operated many single and twin scew vessels over the years, I have only tried my hand and OB or I/O boats (excluding dingies) a few times and know that the procedure is different since the prop is on your 'rudder'. Back and fill doesn't really apply with the I/O or the OB since you can steer your stern while backing. I have no specific advice to give here except to practice and you will get the hang of it.. Steve s/v Good Intentions |
Berthing a single engine cruiser in reverse
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"John Smith" wrote: I have a small single engine inboard/outboard cruiser which is normally kept on a mooring. I have just spent a few days at a berth and would like some references for articles on berthing under a range of conditions, to improve my skills and knowledge of the subject. Any suggestions on the best source of articles etc? Over and above anything you read: practice, practice, practice. Every boat handles differently and the characteristics will change for various reasons, including your own increased understanding. Of course, practice is safest against something that won't break, be broken, or wrap around the prop. (cushions work well and double as crew overboard drill targets.) And it's not a one-time thing. After nearly 10 years' ownership by our boat, I discovered how much better the boat backed in close quarters with *authoritative* use of the throttle: A two-second burst gets us moving before we "walk" much, giving positive steerage (even in the "wrong" direction). Low throttle will walk us in to the dock against a stiff breeze. -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
Berthing a single engine cruiser in reverse
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"John Smith" wrote: I have a small single engine inboard/outboard cruiser which is normally kept on a mooring. I have just spent a few days at a berth and would like some references for articles on berthing under a range of conditions, to improve my skills and knowledge of the subject. Any suggestions on the best source of articles etc? Over and above anything you read: practice, practice, practice. Every boat handles differently and the characteristics will change for various reasons, including your own increased understanding. Of course, practice is safest against something that won't break, be broken, or wrap around the prop. (cushions work well and double as crew overboard drill targets.) And it's not a one-time thing. After nearly 10 years' ownership by our boat, I discovered how much better the boat backed in close quarters with *authoritative* use of the throttle: A two-second burst gets us moving before we "walk" much, giving positive steerage (even in the "wrong" direction). Low throttle will walk us in to the dock against a stiff breeze. -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
Berthing a single engine cruiser in reverse
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"John Smith" wrote: I have a small single engine inboard/outboard cruiser which is normally kept on a mooring. I have just spent a few days at a berth and would like some references for articles on berthing under a range of conditions, to improve my skills and knowledge of the subject. Any suggestions on the best source of articles etc? Thanks in advance I think Cruising World had some articles on this - at least I remember reading about things like using a spring line to warp yourself into a slip. If you are going to be going in and out of the same slip frequently, you can refine your technique. If it is going to be your home slip, you can leave lines on the pilings to be retrieved as you come in - this helps a lot. Otherwise you have to carefully assess the wind and current to determine the best course of action. Our experience is with a heavy modified full keel sailboat, which is very much affected by both wind and current. Without a lot of either of those she can spin on her mast. With a lot of either, it's a crap shoot. There are some slips/places that we just can't get into. Fin keel spade rudder boats handle very differently. When we first got our boat, I went out and practiced backing around a 'no wake' buoy in fairly calm conditions. grandma Rosalie |
Berthing a single engine cruiser in reverse
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"John Smith" wrote: I have a small single engine inboard/outboard cruiser which is normally kept on a mooring. I have just spent a few days at a berth and would like some references for articles on berthing under a range of conditions, to improve my skills and knowledge of the subject. Any suggestions on the best source of articles etc? Thanks in advance I think Cruising World had some articles on this - at least I remember reading about things like using a spring line to warp yourself into a slip. If you are going to be going in and out of the same slip frequently, you can refine your technique. If it is going to be your home slip, you can leave lines on the pilings to be retrieved as you come in - this helps a lot. Otherwise you have to carefully assess the wind and current to determine the best course of action. Our experience is with a heavy modified full keel sailboat, which is very much affected by both wind and current. Without a lot of either of those she can spin on her mast. With a lot of either, it's a crap shoot. There are some slips/places that we just can't get into. Fin keel spade rudder boats handle very differently. When we first got our boat, I went out and practiced backing around a 'no wake' buoy in fairly calm conditions. grandma Rosalie |
Berthing a single engine cruiser in reverse
Jere Lull wrote in message ...
In article , "John Smith" wrote: I have a small single engine inboard/outboard cruiser which is normally kept on a mooring. I have just spent a few days at a berth and would like some references for articles on berthing under a range of conditions, to improve my skills and knowledge of the subject. Any suggestions on the best source of articles etc? I tried to send this earlier but it did not take so here goes my 2 cents 1-Pratice 2-Understand wind and current and use that 3-Understand which way you can steer in reverse becuase of paddlewheel effect and use that. 4-Gain confidence and don't get rattled by onlookers 5-Go Slow and if (when) you hit something, there will be no damage 6-Pratice some more there is a video on single engine I/O doccking that I bought at West Marine, Maybe it could help good luck |
Berthing a single engine cruiser in reverse
Jere Lull wrote in message ...
In article , "John Smith" wrote: I have a small single engine inboard/outboard cruiser which is normally kept on a mooring. I have just spent a few days at a berth and would like some references for articles on berthing under a range of conditions, to improve my skills and knowledge of the subject. Any suggestions on the best source of articles etc? I tried to send this earlier but it did not take so here goes my 2 cents 1-Pratice 2-Understand wind and current and use that 3-Understand which way you can steer in reverse becuase of paddlewheel effect and use that. 4-Gain confidence and don't get rattled by onlookers 5-Go Slow and if (when) you hit something, there will be no damage 6-Pratice some more there is a video on single engine I/O doccking that I bought at West Marine, Maybe it could help good luck |
Berthing a single engine cruiser in reverse
In article , Richard Malcolm says... 5-Go Slow and if (when) you hit something, there will be no damage This is one that I have occasionally had trouble with. I have a Bayfield 29 - which is a full keel sailboat with a 'barn door' rudder. I have some maneuvering problems, and the trouble is that speed is sometimes a problem. If I go slowly enough to not cause damage, then I barely have steerage. Then once I am clear my slip, I can (usually) turn hard, gun the engine and swing the bow around with authority. Unless the wind is from the wrong direction, then it counteracts my swing, and I am now moving TOO quickly towards the dock and my neighbour! grump - darn laws of physics! sdg B29 "Discovery" |
Berthing a single engine cruiser in reverse
In article , Richard Malcolm says... 5-Go Slow and if (when) you hit something, there will be no damage This is one that I have occasionally had trouble with. I have a Bayfield 29 - which is a full keel sailboat with a 'barn door' rudder. I have some maneuvering problems, and the trouble is that speed is sometimes a problem. If I go slowly enough to not cause damage, then I barely have steerage. Then once I am clear my slip, I can (usually) turn hard, gun the engine and swing the bow around with authority. Unless the wind is from the wrong direction, then it counteracts my swing, and I am now moving TOO quickly towards the dock and my neighbour! grump - darn laws of physics! sdg B29 "Discovery" |
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On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 18:06:01 GMT, otnmbrd
wrote: "Steerage way" and the ability to steer your boat, can be and frequently are, two different things.... i.e., you don't need steerage way, to steer. What most need to learn, is to use the rudder with a quick kick, without losing all sternway or picking up any degree of headway, or the opposite, a quick kick astern to take advantage of prop walk. That is very boat-dependent. Our boat has the prop 12 feet from the rudder. Steerage depends on boat motion 100%. Also, the prop doesn't walk. It is too close to the pivot axis to have any leverage. So, we need steerage way to steer, but that is very slow. In practice, I have been able to dock without assistance in a wide range of conditions. But, I was pretty anxious when I first started doing that. Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a Does one child rape really change Strom Thurmond's lifetime record? For better or worse? |
Berthing a single engine cruiser in reverse
On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 18:06:01 GMT, otnmbrd
wrote: "Steerage way" and the ability to steer your boat, can be and frequently are, two different things.... i.e., you don't need steerage way, to steer. What most need to learn, is to use the rudder with a quick kick, without losing all sternway or picking up any degree of headway, or the opposite, a quick kick astern to take advantage of prop walk. That is very boat-dependent. Our boat has the prop 12 feet from the rudder. Steerage depends on boat motion 100%. Also, the prop doesn't walk. It is too close to the pivot axis to have any leverage. So, we need steerage way to steer, but that is very slow. In practice, I have been able to dock without assistance in a wide range of conditions. But, I was pretty anxious when I first started doing that. Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a Does one child rape really change Strom Thurmond's lifetime record? For better or worse? |
Berthing a single engine cruiser in reverse
Pivot turn OR backing and filling FWIW a good basic method of backing and filling can be found at: http://www.videos.sailingcourse.com/pivot_turn.htm |
Berthing a single engine cruiser in reverse
Pivot turn OR backing and filling FWIW a good basic method of backing and filling can be found at: http://www.videos.sailingcourse.com/pivot_turn.htm |
Berthing a single engine cruiser in reverse
BG To every "rule" there are exceptions.
In many if not most cases, your condition will not be the rule, G but to cover that possibility, I added the last part about not knowing the boat or the conditions being worked under.... hence, "food for thought". otn Rodney Myrvaagnes wrote: On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 18:06:01 GMT, otnmbrd wrote: "Steerage way" and the ability to steer your boat, can be and frequently are, two different things.... i.e., you don't need steerage way, to steer. What most need to learn, is to use the rudder with a quick kick, without losing all sternway or picking up any degree of headway, or the opposite, a quick kick astern to take advantage of prop walk. That is very boat-dependent. Our boat has the prop 12 feet from the rudder. Steerage depends on boat motion 100%. Also, the prop doesn't walk. It is too close to the pivot axis to have any leverage. So, we need steerage way to steer, but that is very slow. In practice, I have been able to dock without assistance in a wide range of conditions. But, I was pretty anxious when I first started doing that. Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a Does one child rape really change Strom Thurmond's lifetime record? For better or worse? |
Berthing a single engine cruiser in reverse
BG To every "rule" there are exceptions.
In many if not most cases, your condition will not be the rule, G but to cover that possibility, I added the last part about not knowing the boat or the conditions being worked under.... hence, "food for thought". otn Rodney Myrvaagnes wrote: On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 18:06:01 GMT, otnmbrd wrote: "Steerage way" and the ability to steer your boat, can be and frequently are, two different things.... i.e., you don't need steerage way, to steer. What most need to learn, is to use the rudder with a quick kick, without losing all sternway or picking up any degree of headway, or the opposite, a quick kick astern to take advantage of prop walk. That is very boat-dependent. Our boat has the prop 12 feet from the rudder. Steerage depends on boat motion 100%. Also, the prop doesn't walk. It is too close to the pivot axis to have any leverage. So, we need steerage way to steer, but that is very slow. In practice, I have been able to dock without assistance in a wide range of conditions. But, I was pretty anxious when I first started doing that. Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a Does one child rape really change Strom Thurmond's lifetime record? For better or worse? |
Berthing a single engine cruiser in reverse
Why not use a troling motor?
Mike |
Berthing a single engine cruiser in reverse
Why not use a troling motor?
Mike |
Berthing a single engine cruiser in reverse
On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 09:55:46 GMT, "John Smith"
wrote: I have a small single engine inboard/outboard cruiser which is normally kept on a mooring. I have just spent a few days at a berth and would like some references for articles on berthing under a range of conditions, to improve my skills and knowledge of the subject. Any suggestions on the best source of articles etc? Thanks in advance A bit of a fun java based docking simulator http://spot.pcc.edu/~mtrigobo/docksim/index.html Peter www.oceanodyssey.net "Do not measure your life by the number of breaths you take, Rather by the number of times life just takes your breath away" |
Berthing a single engine cruiser in reverse
On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 09:55:46 GMT, "John Smith"
wrote: I have a small single engine inboard/outboard cruiser which is normally kept on a mooring. I have just spent a few days at a berth and would like some references for articles on berthing under a range of conditions, to improve my skills and knowledge of the subject. Any suggestions on the best source of articles etc? Thanks in advance A bit of a fun java based docking simulator http://spot.pcc.edu/~mtrigobo/docksim/index.html Peter www.oceanodyssey.net "Do not measure your life by the number of breaths you take, Rather by the number of times life just takes your breath away" |
Berthing a single engine cruiser in reverse
Peter wrote:
A bit of a fun java based docking simulator http://spot.pcc.edu/~mtrigobo/docksim/index.html Peter www.oceanodyssey.net "Do not measure your life by the number of breaths you take, Rather by the number of times life just takes your breath away" Excellent. Thank you. Here's another: http://members.home.net/mltsoftware/docksim.html Nice website, too. It'll take some time to peruse - in any hat. |
Berthing a single engine cruiser in reverse
Peter wrote:
A bit of a fun java based docking simulator http://spot.pcc.edu/~mtrigobo/docksim/index.html Peter www.oceanodyssey.net "Do not measure your life by the number of breaths you take, Rather by the number of times life just takes your breath away" Excellent. Thank you. Here's another: http://members.home.net/mltsoftware/docksim.html Nice website, too. It'll take some time to peruse - in any hat. |
Berthing a single engine cruiser in reverse
"Chuck Bollinger" wrote in message news:aGgLb.771413$HS4.6070694@attbi_s01... Here's another: http://members.home.net/mltsoftware/docksim.html Chuck, this link doesn't seem to work, I just get a bunch of popups that fight with my firewall. This link work for anyone else? -- Ken Heaton, Cape Breton Island, Canada kenheaton AT ess wye dee DOT eastlink DOT ca |
Berthing a single engine cruiser in reverse
"Chuck Bollinger" wrote in message news:aGgLb.771413$HS4.6070694@attbi_s01... Here's another: http://members.home.net/mltsoftware/docksim.html Chuck, this link doesn't seem to work, I just get a bunch of popups that fight with my firewall. This link work for anyone else? -- Ken Heaton, Cape Breton Island, Canada kenheaton AT ess wye dee DOT eastlink DOT ca |
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Berthing a single engine cruiser in reverse
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(JustDavid) wrote: GREAT LINK FOR INFO ON MED MOORING: http://www.sailnet.com/collections/a...eid=jkrets0043 Nice article. The technique is also good when deploying an anchor to join a star raft-up, which we're doing more often now that we've learned the many blessings. In reverse, steerage way is a best friend, but most of us are too chicken to go that fast or to punch enough power to get to that speed quickly. -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
Berthing a single engine cruiser in reverse
works fine for me.
"Ken Heaton" wrote in message ... "Chuck Bollinger" wrote in message news:aGgLb.771413$HS4.6070694@attbi_s01... Here's another: http://members.home.net/mltsoftware/docksim.html Chuck, this link doesn't seem to work, I just get a bunch of popups that fight with my firewall. This link work for anyone else? -- Ken Heaton, Cape Breton Island, Canada kenheaton AT ess wye dee DOT eastlink DOT ca |
Berthing a single engine cruiser in reverse
works fine for me.
"Ken Heaton" wrote in message ... "Chuck Bollinger" wrote in message news:aGgLb.771413$HS4.6070694@attbi_s01... Here's another: http://members.home.net/mltsoftware/docksim.html Chuck, this link doesn't seem to work, I just get a bunch of popups that fight with my firewall. This link work for anyone else? -- Ken Heaton, Cape Breton Island, Canada kenheaton AT ess wye dee DOT eastlink DOT ca |
Berthing a single engine cruiser in reverse
Chuck Bollinger wrote:
Peter wrote: A bit of a fun java based docking simulator http://spot.pcc.edu/~mtrigobo/docksim/index.html Peter www.oceanodyssey.net "Do not measure your life by the number of breaths you take, Rather by the number of times life just takes your breath away" Excellent. Thank you. Here's another: http://members.home.net/mltsoftware/docksim.html Nice website, too. It'll take some time to peruse - in any hat. After learning it didn't work I tried it and it didn't work for me. My browser acted funny after that and lost a driver, but that may not be related to the members.com site. I'm going to reboot a little later and try again. Sorry - I should have tested it before posting. |
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