Not exactly a "complete" list.... (especially in the Bahamas)

It failed to mention the 50' sportfish from Miami that was hijacked and
the Captain aimed it at Cat Cay at full blast and jumped off the bridge
and swam to Gun Cay while the boat crashed into North Cat and police
came and caught the two hijackers....

Also there are always several posters in the customs office about recent
boat thefts.

If you are 100% confident in your abilty to use a firearm and have
practice on a moving vessel (different from a range) and can secure it
from thieves and minors then it may be a good idea to have one... .if
not, it will probably be used on you if you ever have the misfortune to
need it.

In 20 years of cruising, I have always had one aboard but only once did
I send someone below to grab it (came across a drug boat during a
pickup...thought it would be good to have it on the bridge) but luckily
have never had to even chamber a round or hold it up to scare anyone off.




Lee Huddleston wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 08:30:14 -0500, "Bruce"
wrote:


He is every report of problems in the Caribbean in the last several years
http://www.caribcruisers.com/index.html



Bruce,

Looking at the list of incidents in the Caribbean is instructive.
Besides the numerous thefts or attempted thefts of dinks, there seems
to be an unusual number of boardings while people are asleep on the
boat. In these and the dink stealing instances, guns would be
useless. For the boardings some kind of intruder alarm would seem to
be the most valuable addition to a boat.

Even for those examples when people were robbed at gun point, having a
gun on board would probably not have been helpful. The victim was
usually off the boat and/or was surprised by the robber. If fact, as
I read the list, I could only detect a very few times when I gun on
board might have made the difference. I did not see a single time
when a boat load of armed men approached a boat directly in such a way
that the occupants would have the warning or time to get their gun.
Did I miss something?

Lee Huddleston
s/v Truelove

Guess being experienced as a Navy Boarding Party member qualifies as
practiced with firearms and weapons from a moving vessel to a moving vessel?
It has been years, and I do not miss it, but I do not want to be without any
defense when it is needed. Lots of defenseless people are slaughtered every
year, as are the armed ones too. Best defense is a good watch, avoidance,
and escape. My last Navy time on a ship was in 1974. We often operated in
conjunction with local police and the US Coast Guard against pirates and
bandits while in the Carribean (and other places too). It was more of an
aside for us, but we had very powerfull radar with integrated fleet tracking
which could track the pirates and vector in the USCG. Mostly drug runners I
think.

"Ed" wrote in message
...
Not exactly a "complete" list.... (especially in the Bahamas)

It failed to mention the 50' sportfish from Miami that was hijacked and
the Captain aimed it at Cat Cay at full blast and jumped off the bridge
and swam to Gun Cay while the boat crashed into North Cat and police
came and caught the two hijackers....

Also there are always several posters in the customs office about recent
boat thefts.

If you are 100% confident in your abilty to use a firearm and have
practice on a moving vessel (different from a range) and can secure it
from thieves and minors then it may be a good idea to have one... .if
not, it will probably be used on you if you ever have the misfortune to
need it.

In 20 years of cruising, I have always had one aboard but only once did
I send someone below to grab it (came across a drug boat during a
pickup...thought it would be good to have it on the bridge) but luckily
have never had to even chamber a round or hold it up to scare anyone off.




Lee Huddleston wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 08:30:14 -0500, "Bruce"
wrote:


He is every report of problems in the Caribbean in the last several
years
http://www.caribcruisers.com/index.html



Bruce,

Looking at the list of incidents in the Caribbean is instructive.
Besides the numerous thefts or attempted thefts of dinks, there seems
to be an unusual number of boardings while people are asleep on the
boat. In these and the dink stealing instances, guns would be
useless. For the boardings some kind of intruder alarm would seem to
be the most valuable addition to a boat.

Even for those examples when people were robbed at gun point, having a
gun on board would probably not have been helpful. The victim was
usually off the boat and/or was surprised by the robber. If fact, as
I read the list, I could only detect a very few times when I gun on
board might have made the difference. I did not see a single time
when a boat load of armed men approached a boat directly in such a way
that the occupants would have the warning or time to get their gun.
Did I miss something?

Lee Huddleston
s/v Truelove





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Guess being experienced as a Navy Boarding Party member qualifies as
practiced with firearms and weapons from a moving vessel to a moving vessel?
It has been years, and I do not miss it, but I do not want to be without any
defense when it is needed. Lots of defenseless people are slaughtered every
year, as are the armed ones too. Best defense is a good watch, avoidance,
and escape. My last Navy time on a ship was in 1974. We often operated in
conjunction with local police and the US Coast Guard against pirates and
bandits while in the Carribean (and other places too). It was more of an
aside for us, but we had very powerfull radar with integrated fleet tracking
which could track the pirates and vector in the USCG. Mostly drug runners I
think.

"Ed" wrote in message
...
Not exactly a "complete" list.... (especially in the Bahamas)

It failed to mention the 50' sportfish from Miami that was hijacked and
the Captain aimed it at Cat Cay at full blast and jumped off the bridge
and swam to Gun Cay while the boat crashed into North Cat and police
came and caught the two hijackers....

Also there are always several posters in the customs office about recent
boat thefts.

If you are 100% confident in your abilty to use a firearm and have
practice on a moving vessel (different from a range) and can secure it
from thieves and minors then it may be a good idea to have one... .if
not, it will probably be used on you if you ever have the misfortune to
need it.

In 20 years of cruising, I have always had one aboard but only once did
I send someone below to grab it (came across a drug boat during a
pickup...thought it would be good to have it on the bridge) but luckily
have never had to even chamber a round or hold it up to scare anyone off.




Lee Huddleston wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 08:30:14 -0500, "Bruce"
wrote:


He is every report of problems in the Caribbean in the last several
years
http://www.caribcruisers.com/index.html



Bruce,

Looking at the list of incidents in the Caribbean is instructive.
Besides the numerous thefts or attempted thefts of dinks, there seems
to be an unusual number of boardings while people are asleep on the
boat. In these and the dink stealing instances, guns would be
useless. For the boardings some kind of intruder alarm would seem to
be the most valuable addition to a boat.

Even for those examples when people were robbed at gun point, having a
gun on board would probably not have been helpful. The victim was
usually off the boat and/or was surprised by the robber. If fact, as
I read the list, I could only detect a very few times when I gun on
board might have made the difference. I did not see a single time
when a boat load of armed men approached a boat directly in such a way
that the occupants would have the warning or time to get their gun.
Did I miss something?

Lee Huddleston
s/v Truelove





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Not exactly a "complete" list.... (especially in the Bahamas)

It failed to mention the 50' sportfish from Miami that was hijacked and
the Captain aimed it at Cat Cay at full blast and jumped off the bridge
and swam to Gun Cay while the boat crashed into North Cat and police
came and caught the two hijackers....

Also there are always several posters in the customs office about recent
boat thefts.

If you are 100% confident in your abilty to use a firearm and have
practice on a moving vessel (different from a range) and can secure it
from thieves and minors then it may be a good idea to have one... .if
not, it will probably be used on you if you ever have the misfortune to
need it.

In 20 years of cruising, I have always had one aboard but only once did
I send someone below to grab it (came across a drug boat during a
pickup...thought it would be good to have it on the bridge) but luckily
have never had to even chamber a round or hold it up to scare anyone off.




Lee Huddleston wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 08:30:14 -0500, "Bruce"
wrote:


He is every report of problems in the Caribbean in the last several years
http://www.caribcruisers.com/index.html



Bruce,

Looking at the list of incidents in the Caribbean is instructive.
Besides the numerous thefts or attempted thefts of dinks, there seems
to be an unusual number of boardings while people are asleep on the
boat. In these and the dink stealing instances, guns would be
useless. For the boardings some kind of intruder alarm would seem to
be the most valuable addition to a boat.

Even for those examples when people were robbed at gun point, having a
gun on board would probably not have been helpful. The victim was
usually off the boat and/or was surprised by the robber. If fact, as
I read the list, I could only detect a very few times when I gun on
board might have made the difference. I did not see a single time
when a boat load of armed men approached a boat directly in such a way
that the occupants would have the warning or time to get their gun.
Did I miss something?

Lee Huddleston
s/v Truelove

On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 08:30:14 -0500, "Bruce"
wrote:


He is every report of problems in the Caribbean in the last several years
http://www.caribcruisers.com/index.html


Bruce,

Looking at the list of incidents in the Caribbean is instructive.
Besides the numerous thefts or attempted thefts of dinks, there seems
to be an unusual number of boardings while people are asleep on the
boat. In these and the dink stealing instances, guns would be
useless. For the boardings some kind of intruder alarm would seem to
be the most valuable addition to a boat.

Even for those examples when people were robbed at gun point, having a
gun on board would probably not have been helpful. The victim was
usually off the boat and/or was surprised by the robber. If fact, as
I read the list, I could only detect a very few times when I gun on
board might have made the difference. I did not see a single time
when a boat load of armed men approached a boat directly in such a way
that the occupants would have the warning or time to get their gun.
Did I miss something?

Lee Huddleston
s/v Truelove

He is every report of problems in the Caribbean in the last several years
http://www.caribcruisers.com/index.html

On 01 Jan 2004 06:50:42 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

you need a gun, a shotgun, a revolver, a machine gun, a grenade launcher, a
machette, a Swiss Army knife, a Boy Scout knife, a paring knife, a box cutter,
a fingernail clipper and a frickin' brain.

Trollin' aside, I have a German friend who says you only need Russian
hand grenades, easily obtained in many places according to him. Off
of Thailand he was attacked single handing his boat by a high speed
boat. They shot over his head but didn't shoot directly at the prize
they were after, his yacht. When they came within throwing range he
simply dropped one of these grenades into the boat before the boarders
could reach his rail and they were so busy scrambling in the bilge for
the "egg" they veered off before it exploded.

The effect was devastating, a total destruction. That was the only
place he's been attacked but his boat is full of the arms you make fun
of. He says anyone not heavily armed cruising anywhere is totally
crazy....

I can think of no easier targets than most of the yachtsmen I
know.....As a group, the moneyed elite are awfully naive. As to using
the radio, what's the point? Noone's going to help you except to
maybe come look for your body, floating face down long after it's
over. Hell, I'm amazed the local marinas aren't regularly ransacked,
here.

While I am personally all for blowing pirates to their eternal reward, I
have to imagine that there might be legal repercussions to such activities.
Unless, of course, you have obtained your Letter of Marque prior to going
cruising. ;-)

--
Karin Conover-Lewis
Fair and Balanced since 1959
klc dot lewis at centurytel dot net


"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
...
On 01 Jan 2004 06:50:42 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

you need a gun, a shotgun, a revolver, a machine gun, a grenade launcher,
a
machette, a Swiss Army knife, a Boy Scout knife, a paring knife, a box
cutter,
a fingernail clipper and a frickin' brain.

Trollin' aside, I have a German friend who says you only need Russian
hand grenades, easily obtained in many places according to him. Off
of Thailand he was attacked single handing his boat by a high speed
boat. They shot over his head but didn't shoot directly at the prize
they were after, his yacht. When they came within throwing range he
simply dropped one of these grenades into the boat before the boarders
could reach his rail and they were so busy scrambling in the bilge for
the "egg" they veered off before it exploded.

The effect was devastating, a total destruction. That was the only
place he's been attacked but his boat is full of the arms you make fun
of. He says anyone not heavily armed cruising anywhere is totally
crazy....

I can think of no easier targets than most of the yachtsmen I
know.....As a group, the moneyed elite are awfully naive. As to using
the radio, what's the point? Noone's going to help you except to
maybe come look for your body, floating face down long after it's
over. Hell, I'm amazed the local marinas aren't regularly ransacked,
here.

On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 10:54:55 -0600, "Karin Conover-Lewis"
wrote:

While I am personally all for blowing pirates to their eternal reward, I
have to imagine that there might be legal repercussions to such activities.
Unless, of course, you have obtained your Letter of Marque prior to going
cruising. ;-)

What activity? What pirate boat? I don't see any boats......

Dead men don't testify. It never happened.

On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 10:54:55 -0600, "Karin Conover-Lewis"
wrote:

While I am personally all for blowing pirates to their eternal reward, I
have to imagine that there might be legal repercussions to such activities.
Unless, of course, you have obtained your Letter of Marque prior to going
cruising. ;-)

What activity? What pirate boat? I don't see any boats......

Dead men don't testify. It never happened.