My wife and I have had a 30 year old swing keel Catalina 22 for five
years.We just spent four weeks sailing it from Port Townsend WA, where
we live, to Princess Louisa Inlet. The boat handled everything fine,
but we are beginning to think we want something a bit bigger if we are
going to do more of the same and perhaps go further north.

We have been so pleased with the C22 that we are starting to look for
a C27 in the $10,000-12,000 range. However I recall reading somewhere
that the old C27s didn't sail too well and the Catalina 270,
introduced in 1994, was a big improvement - though that is probably
outside our price range.

We need a boat with headroom around 6 ft, and easily singlehanded as I
can't always persuade the first mate to come.

Does anyone have any comments on the C27, or alternative boats of this
size ?

Thanks in advance

Richard Isherwood

On Sep 4, 8:24 am, "
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My wife and I have had a 30 year old swing keel Catalina 22 for five
years.We just spent four weeks sailing it from Port Townsend WA, where
we live, to Princess Louisa Inlet. The boat handled everything fine,
but we are beginning to think we want something a bit bigger if we are
going to do more of the same and perhaps go further north.

We have been so pleased with the C22 that we are starting to look for
a C27 in the $10,000-12,000 range. However I recall reading somewhere
that the old C27s didn't sail too well and the Catalina 270,
introduced in 1994, was a big improvement - though that is probably
outside our price range.

We need a boat with headroom around 6 ft, and easily singlehanded as I
can't always persuade the first mate to come.

Does anyone have any comments on the C27, or alternative boats of this
size ?

Thanks in advance

Richard Isherwood


The Catalina 27 does indeed sail VERY well (the 30, not so much...).
It's a great value for the money, and there's little weather in
Georgia Strait that they can't handle.

I'm looking in the same market (I ruled out the Cat 27 cuz, well, I've
had a 36 for 17 yrs and want something different). I'm looking at Cal
27s (popular in the US) and Crown 28s (popular in Vancouver). They
both are more suited to heavy weather than the Catalina, but cost a
bit more (depending on condition).

Unfortunately, whatever financial disaster befell the sailing industry
in the 80s and wiped out so many mfrs (Cal, Islander, Mirage...) also
for some reason made the under-30 boats unpopular: everyone wanted
over 30. So earlier 25-29ft boats that were often the "flagship" of
the fleet became the "scaled-down" or "entry-level" boats. So, the
more modern small boats had 32 ft of stuff crammed into 28ft of space
(look at how big the door is on the Hunter 28 head, and imagine
yourself trying to get through it in full heavy-weather gear!)
Conclusion: get an older boat in good shape rather than looking at
newer ones.

druid
http://www.bcboatnet.org

On Sep 4, 10:04 am, druid wrote:
On Sep 4, 8:24 am, "
wrote:



My wife and I have had a 30 year old swing keel Catalina 22 for five
years.We just spent four weeks sailing it from Port Townsend WA, where
we live, to Princess Louisa Inlet. The boat handled everything fine,
but we are beginning to think we want something a bit bigger if we are
going to do more of the same and perhaps go further north.

We have been so pleased with the C22 that we are starting to look for
a C27 in the $10,000-12,000 range. However I recall reading somewhere
that the old C27s didn't sail too well and the Catalina 270,
introduced in 1994, was a big improvement - though that is probably
outside our price range.

We need a boat with headroom around 6 ft, and easily singlehanded as I
can't always persuade the first mate to come.

Does anyone have any comments on the C27, or alternative boats of this
size ?

Thanks in advance

Richard Isherwood

The Catalina 27 does indeed sail VERY well (the 30, not so much...).
It's a great value for the money, and there's little weather in
Georgia Strait that they can't handle.

I'm looking in the same market (I ruled out the Cat 27 cuz, well, I've
had a 36 for 17 yrs and want something different). I'm looking at Cal
27s (popular in the US) and Crown 28s (popular in Vancouver). They
both are more suited to heavy weather than the Catalina, but cost a
bit more (depending on condition).

Unfortunately, whatever financial disaster befell the sailing industry
in the 80s and wiped out so many mfrs (Cal, Islander, Mirage...) also
for some reason made the under-30 boats unpopular: everyone wanted
over 30. So earlier 25-29ft boats that were often the "flagship" of
the fleet became the "scaled-down" or "entry-level" boats. So, the
more modern small boats had 32 ft of stuff crammed into 28ft of space
(look at how big the door is on the Hunter 28 head, and imagine
yourself trying to get through it in full heavy-weather gear!)
Conclusion: get an older boat in good shape rather than looking at
newer ones.

druidhttp://www.bcboatnet.org

Thanks to you all for the comments.

Any opinions on San Juan 28s? There are at least two 1978s for sale
around here.

Richard

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 15:24:10 -0000, "
wrote:

My wife and I have had a 30 year old swing keel Catalina 22 for five
years.We just spent four weeks sailing it from Port Townsend WA, where
we live, to Princess Louisa Inlet. The boat handled everything fine,
but we are beginning to think we want something a bit bigger if we are
going to do more of the same and perhaps go further north.

We have been so pleased with the C22 that we are starting to look for
a C27 in the $10,000-12,000 range. However I recall reading somewhere
that the old C27s didn't sail too well and the Catalina 270,
introduced in 1994, was a big improvement - though that is probably
outside our price range.

We need a boat with headroom around 6 ft, and easily singlehanded as I
can't always persuade the first mate to come.

Does anyone have any comments on the C27, or alternative boats of this
size ?

Thanks in advance

Richard Isherwood


Look at a Columbia 8.3, very solid, comfortable. Built when Columbia
was still putting a lot into their sub 30' boats (apparently the wrong
approach, they went out of business on this model series). If your
definition of sailing well is blazing speed, it ain't. If your
definition is smooth, sea kindly with great balance in all
conditions, it is.

Frank

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My wife and I have had a 30 year old swing keel Catalina 22 for five
years.We just spent four weeks sailing it from Port Townsend WA, where
we live, to Princess Louisa Inlet. The boat handled everything fine,
but we are beginning to think we want something a bit bigger if we are
going to do more of the same and perhaps go further north.

We have been so pleased with the C22 that we are starting to look for
a C27 in the $10,000-12,000 range. However I recall reading somewhere
that the old C27s didn't sail too well and the Catalina 270,
introduced in 1994, was a big improvement - though that is probably
outside our price range.

We need a boat with headroom around 6 ft, and easily singlehanded as I
can't always persuade the first mate to come.

Does anyone have any comments on the C27, or alternative boats of this
size ?


The best 27-footer ever built and you can find one for sale from time to
time.

http://captneal.homestead.com/Vessel.html (from my mentor's site) The
good Captain has told me he has offers all the time from people who want
to buy his find blue-water cruising vessel. He's been offered up to 20
grand but refuses to sell because it would take close to 40 or 50 grand
in labor and equipment to build up a bare Coronado 27 to the same specs.

Be sure to follow the links at the bottom of the page to see lots of
pictures of the inside and outside of this impressive vessel. You'll
understand the meaning of "Bristol fashion."

Wilbur Hubbard

On Sep 5, 5:45 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
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My wife and I have had a 30 year old swing keel Catalina 22 for five
years.We just spent four weeks sailing it from Port Townsend WA, where
we live, to Princess Louisa Inlet. The boat handled everything fine,
but we are beginning to think we want something a bit bigger if we are
going to do more of the same and perhaps go further north.

We have been so pleased with the C22 that we are starting to look for
a C27 in the $10,000-12,000 range. However I recall reading somewhere
that the old C27s didn't sail too well and the Catalina 270,
introduced in 1994, was a big improvement - though that is probably
outside our price range.

We need a boat with headroom around 6 ft, and easily singlehanded as I
can't always persuade the first mate to come.

Does anyone have any comments on the C27, or alternative boats of this
size ?

The best 27-footer ever built and you can find one for sale from time to
time.

http://captneal.homestead.com/Vessel.html (from my mentor's site) The
good Captain has told me he has offers all the time from people who want
to buy his find blue-water cruising vessel. He's been offered up to 20
grand but refuses to sell because it would take close to 40 or 50 grand
in labor and equipment to build up a bare Coronado 27 to the same specs.

Be sure to follow the links at the bottom of the page to see lots of
pictures of the inside and outside of this impressive vessel. You'll
understand the meaning of "Bristol fashion."

Wilbur Hubbard

Wilbur,

Thanks, but I am not sure what you are saying. Is a Coronado
27 a great boat in itself, or is it just that your Captain's
individually modified boat is a great boat ?

Richard

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My wife and I have had a 30 year old swing keel Catalina 22 for five
years.We just spent four weeks sailing it from Port Townsend WA, where
we live, to Princess Louisa Inlet. The boat handled everything fine,
but we are beginning to think we want something a bit bigger if we are
going to do more of the same and perhaps go further north.

We have been so pleased with the C22 that we are starting to look for
a C27 in the $10,000-12,000 range. However I recall reading somewhere
that the old C27s didn't sail too well and the Catalina 270,
introduced in 1994, was a big improvement - though that is probably
outside our price range.

We need a boat with headroom around 6 ft, and easily singlehanded as I
can't always persuade the first mate to come.

Does anyone have any comments on the C27, or alternative boats of this
size ?

The best 27-footer ever built and you can find one for sale from time to
time.

http://captneal.homestead.com/Vessel.html (from my mentor's site) The
good Captain has told me he has offers all the time from people who want
to buy his find blue-water cruising vessel. He's been offered up to 20
grand but refuses to sell because it would take close to 40 or 50 grand
in labor and equipment to build up a bare Coronado 27 to the same specs.

Be sure to follow the links at the bottom of the page to see lots of
pictures of the inside and outside of this impressive vessel. You'll
understand the meaning of "Bristol fashion."

Wilbur Hubbard

Wilbur,

Thanks, but I am not sure what you are saying. Is a Coronado
27 a great boat in itself, or is it just that your Captain's
individually modified boat is a great boat ?

Richard



He's saying that he (Wilber and Neal are the same person) spent a lot of
time and effort fixing up a boat that he could afford. If he sold it, he'd
be living in a rented RV. Coronados are so-so boats. Not terrible, not
great.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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Thanks, but I am not sure what you are saying. Is a Coronado
27 a great boat in itself, or is it just that your Captain's
individually modified boat is a great boat ?

Richard



Both. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. The good Captain
would never be so stupid as to throw good money after bad.

Wilbur Hubbard

On Sep 4, 8:24 am, "
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We have been so pleased with the C22 that we are starting to look for
a C27 in the $10,000-12,000 range.

Does anyone have any comments on the C27, or alternative boats of this
size ?


Hi Richard:

I picked up my boat in PT summer 2001 Then singlehanded it down the
Oregon coast. Wish I could have spent more time in PT. Sailing your
and area out to Neah Bay requires a special boat. 48N is no place for
a flimsy dayboat. Try the following link from Mahina Inc.:

http://www.mahina.com/cruise.html#boats4cruising

Bob

On Sep 4, 8:24 am, "
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Oh, forgot my favorite boat that is much dismissed...................
look at the 1970s Cascade boats. Should be several up there.
Bob