On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 07:02:38 -0600, "Keith"
wrote:

My point was in the marketing of the radios. They marketed those FRS radios
for several years basically saying "you don't need a license!" Then they add
the GMRS frequencies, but don't really tell anybody that they'll need a
license that costs more than the radios to operate them legally. The folks
that bought them for me had no idea that we'd need licences. I was only
trying to notify those folks who didn't know.

Good luck to the FCC trying to enforce those laws with the hundreds of
thousands, if not millions of those radios that are out there now
unlicenced. You think any of them who gave their kids a pair for Christmas
are going to say... "now wait 'till we get a FCC licence honey!" Nah.

I think the most annoying part is that the average citizen can play
dumb, but a licensed ham or commercial operator will take a big hit
because "we know better", even though paying $75 to use a $20 radio is
a bit silly.
Joe N3HGB

My point was in the marketing of the radios. They marketed those FRS radios
for several years basically saying "you don't need a license!" Then they add
the GMRS frequencies, but don't really tell anybody that they'll need a
license that costs more than the radios to operate them legally. The folks
that bought them for me had no idea that we'd need licences. I was only
trying to notify those folks who didn't know.

Good luck to the FCC trying to enforce those laws with the hundreds of
thousands, if not millions of those radios that are out there now
unlicenced. You think any of them who gave their kids a pair for Christmas
are going to say... "now wait 'till we get a FCC licence honey!" Nah.

"Rich Hampel" wrote in message
...
The frequencies that are open to to the GMRS are in the little used
'business section' of the UHF band, and these frequencies have had
license requirements for years... so whats your bitch? Does that mean
Im due a refund after all these years? ... you know that answer.

In article ,
"Keith" wrote:

Well, I got a nice little Christmas present, a pair of Motorola T4500 FRS
(or so I thought) radios. Seems that these broadcast on both the FRS (Family
Radio Service) channels and the newer GMRS (General Mobile Radio Service)
frequencies.

When FRS came out, they were nice little radios that didn't require a
license, and had a good range, relatively inexpensive, etc. Of course,
somebody couldn't leave good enough, so they came out with the GMRS
frequencies. The radios use a higher power on the GMRS frequencies.

Well guess what? To be strictly legal, you have to get a license for these
new GMRS frequencies. $75 for 5 years from the FCC, you have to fill out
forms 605 and 159. Now, I can of course operate these radios on channels
8-14 ONLY without a license and be legal, because these are the old FRS
frequencies. Sheesh, the license is more than the radios!

Now how many folks who got these for Christmas do you think are going to
apply for an FCC license? Sure reminds me of the old CB radio days. Just
another taxation scheme.



If you actually knew what you were talking about you would be DANGEROUS.
GMRS predates FRS by only about 30 years. FRS is an unlisensed Service
because the power of the radio's is small. GMRS Radios have more power
and therefor are capable of interfering with other radio systems that
SHARE the same frequencies. This is why they are LICENSED, so that if
you interfere with someone else's LICENSED system, they can identify you
and get you to STOP. If you aren't capable of filling out the LICENSE
FORM or can't AFFORD the fee, then you need to stay on FRS or CB where
Mooron's belong.

me

On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:01:34 -0600, "Keith"
wrote:

Well, I got a nice little Christmas present, a pair of Motorola T4500 FRS
(or so I thought) radios. Seems that these broadcast on both the FRS (Family
Radio Service) channels and the newer GMRS (General Mobile Radio Service)
frequencies.

When FRS came out, they were nice little radios that didn't require a
license, and had a good range, relatively inexpensive, etc. Of course,
somebody couldn't leave good enough, so they came out with the GMRS
frequencies. The radios use a higher power on the GMRS frequencies.

Well guess what? To be strictly legal, you have to get a license for these
new GMRS frequencies. $75 for 5 years from the FCC, you have to fill out
forms 605 and 159. Now, I can of course operate these radios on channels
8-14 ONLY without a license and be legal, because these are the old FRS
frequencies. Sheesh, the license is more than the radios!

Now how many folks who got these for Christmas do you think are going to
apply for an FCC license? Sure reminds me of the old CB radio days. Just
another taxation scheme.


Answer - Zero......and I suspect the bureaucrats at the FCC know it.

Notice to government - You cannot arrest thousands of GMRS illegal
users, no more than you could arrest thousands of 10KW CB
operators......


Larry W4CSC

NNNN

The frequencies that are open to to the GMRS are in the little used
'business section' of the UHF band, and these frequencies have had
license requirements for years... so whats your bitch? Does that mean
Im due a refund after all these years? ... you know that answer.

GMRS has been out many, many more years than FRS. Originally designed for
the service they now provide. The rules established at that time required a
license. As with all things Government, it is much easier to establish a law
than to change it. Many use GMRS without licensing altho' strictly you are
supposed to get one.


"Keith" wrote in message
...
Well, I got a nice little Christmas present, a pair of Motorola T4500 FRS
(or so I thought) radios. Seems that these broadcast on both the FRS (Family
Radio Service) channels and the newer GMRS (General Mobile Radio Service)
frequencies.

When FRS came out, they were nice little radios that didn't require a
license, and had a good range, relatively inexpensive, etc. Of course,
somebody couldn't leave good enough, so they came out with the GMRS
frequencies. The radios use a higher power on the GMRS frequencies.

Well guess what? To be strictly legal, you have to get a license for these
new GMRS frequencies. $75 for 5 years from the FCC, you have to fill out
forms 605 and 159. Now, I can of course operate these radios on channels
8-14 ONLY without a license and be legal, because these are the old FRS
frequencies. Sheesh, the license is more than the radios!

Now how many folks who got these for Christmas do you think are going to
apply for an FCC license? Sure reminds me of the old CB radio days. Just
another taxation scheme.

GMRS has been out many, many more years than FRS. Originally designed for
the service they now provide. The rules established at that time required a
license. As with all things Government, it is much easier to establish a law
than to change it. Many use GMRS without licensing altho' strictly you are
supposed to get one.


"Keith" wrote in message
...
Well, I got a nice little Christmas present, a pair of Motorola T4500 FRS
(or so I thought) radios. Seems that these broadcast on both the FRS (Family
Radio Service) channels and the newer GMRS (General Mobile Radio Service)
frequencies.

When FRS came out, they were nice little radios that didn't require a
license, and had a good range, relatively inexpensive, etc. Of course,
somebody couldn't leave good enough, so they came out with the GMRS
frequencies. The radios use a higher power on the GMRS frequencies.

Well guess what? To be strictly legal, you have to get a license for these
new GMRS frequencies. $75 for 5 years from the FCC, you have to fill out
forms 605 and 159. Now, I can of course operate these radios on channels
8-14 ONLY without a license and be legal, because these are the old FRS
frequencies. Sheesh, the license is more than the radios!

Now how many folks who got these for Christmas do you think are going to
apply for an FCC license? Sure reminds me of the old CB radio days. Just
another taxation scheme.