HK wrote in
:

Larry wrote:
Paul Cassel wrote in
:

I'm in agreement that diesel engines are disgusting polluters, but
they are all we have in marine life. We can either use them or use
nothing, IMO. I won't sail with petrol engines due to the safety
issue. I have twice been personal witness to yachts exploding due to
petrol fumes - both times with deaths.


That's odd.....No NOx output, nearly unmeasurable CO, spews out
carbon black but only if you romp it too hard, only spews fuel if
your injection is setup way wrong....

What's so disgusting about diesel? Mine are all BURNING
POLLUTANTS....waste frying oil! Frying oil doesn't even make SULPHUR
Dioxide!

www.frybrid.com


Larry


Yours? You own diesel engines now? On what?


My 6.2L V-8 stepvan, an old Air Force truck, has a Frybrid running pure
oil we get from 3 Chinese restaurants, settle it over a month, pipette
3" off the bottom then filter with 2 truck fuel filter-water seps into 55
gallon drums for usage. Two other guys in our cartel have Frybrids, one
a Mercedes 300SD long wheelbase sedan, the other a Volkswagen diesel bug.
Here in SC, it was all overkill, a waste of money.

After watching a YouTube video from BBC's best car show, I tried what
they were doing on my two old Mercedes diesel cars, one a restored 1973
Mercedes 220D and the other a 1983 Mercedes 300TD turbocharged, 5 cyl
diesel station wagon. I'm currently running a pint of mineral spirits
mixed in 20 gallons of frying oil in those cars, UNMODIFIED, with great
success. Skip and Lydia, of Flying Pig fame, were riding around in my
220D on French Fried Oil last night....for free...(c;

The only big difference I see is the oil fires a little slower, making
less engine knock. They say it has less power and mileage, but I don't
see that for me. When the Frybrid switches over from straight diesel,
which it starts on to warm the oil to 160F from the heater water before
its computer switches, automatically, to fryer oil, I see an increase in
speed at the same throttle setting....more power, not less. I suppose my
observation is subjective and very unscientific. What I DO notice is the
truck went from $95/week to $5/week, overnight. All I have to do is move
the 5 gallon oil containers from the restaurants to George's warehouse,
in the truck for free of course. Mike, the guy with the Volkswagen, is
in charge of "processing". I'm in "delivery". George is in "warehouse
management" because it's his warehouse...(c;

There's about 1400 gallons in the warehouse, tonight, but I got a call,
yesterday, asking me to come get more free product from 2 of the 3
restaurants to make room in their kitchens, so that'll go up another
hundred or so gallons Monday afternoon during the restaurant's afternoon
break (They help me load if they're not real busy...(c.

The restaurants are all provided with a nice primary filter funnel with a
fine screen strainer in the bottom of it to get the oil back from their
cooling tank into the original plastic jugs it comes in, also solving
their oil jug disposal problem. They don't mind, at all, doing this
filtering from us as we are saving them about $100-200/month in disposal
fees. Fuel in any city with restaurants is abundant if one gets off ones
lazy ass and goes to get it. They dump the filter funnels in their
garbage and what I take to the warehouse is fairly filtered of the big
stuff.

After we slowly pump 3" off the bottom of the jugs through our filtering
system, the residue on the bottom is dumped into an empty container.
When several jugs has filled that container, we set it aside for another
month or so to settle it again. In 500 gallons of oil, we find about 2"
of "sludge" in a 5 gallon jug that has settled out. This saves us
changing the final filters, which have lasted nearly a year without
plugging up. The oil we pump in the vehicles is so clear you can read
through it. A gallon clear water bottle of it sits on my porch so I can
watch for it to get cloudy in winter, which, in South Carolina, it has
only done twice last year. A second clear bottle of the 80% oil/20%
gasoline I WAS using last winter in the unmodified cars is also up there
and it never clouds, at all. I've gotten away from gas/oil mix as
mineral spirits from a commercial paint supplier is much cheaper than gas
and I use less of it as a thinning agent. Runs great.

All of this sounds good, but I cannot imagine how anyone is going to run
it in a Hatteras 58 guzzling hundreds of gallons. How would you drag it
to the boat, 6 gallons at a time? If you had a warehouse on a WHARF, say
for fishing or shrimp boats....that would be a different matter!

We have so much "surplus", we've discussed procuring a diesel genset and
mounting it behind George's warehouse to turn the excess oil into power
we can sell to South Carolina Electric and Gouge in a new program being
tested. I found a 250KW, 12 cyl diesel genset I could have gotten for
free, control system and all, but to get it here from Alabama would have
cost us a fortune...(c; It was in a hospital and only had 700 hours on
it. The hospital got a bigger one....two, actually. I sure would have
loved to been operating that thing sync'd to the grid....nuts.

Larry
--
We're NOT running out of fuel. We're just running out of Oil Company
fuel.

Larry wrote:
HK wrote in
:

Larry wrote:
Paul Cassel wrote in
:

I'm in agreement that diesel engines are disgusting polluters, but
they are all we have in marine life. We can either use them or use
nothing, IMO. I won't sail with petrol engines due to the safety
issue. I have twice been personal witness to yachts exploding due to
petrol fumes - both times with deaths.

That's odd.....No NOx output, nearly unmeasurable CO, spews out
carbon black but only if you romp it too hard, only spews fuel if
your injection is setup way wrong....

What's so disgusting about diesel? Mine are all BURNING
POLLUTANTS....waste frying oil! Frying oil doesn't even make SULPHUR
Dioxide!

www.frybrid.com


Larry

Yours? You own diesel engines now? On what?


My 6.2L V-8 stepvan, an old Air Force truck, has a Frybrid running pure
oil we get from 3 Chinese restaurants, settle it over a month, pipette
3" off the bottom then filter with 2 truck fuel filter-water seps into 55
gallon drums for usage. Two other guys in our cartel have Frybrids, one
a Mercedes 300SD long wheelbase sedan, the other a Volkswagen diesel bug.
Here in SC, it was all overkill, a waste of money.

After watching a YouTube video from BBC's best car show, I tried what
they were doing on my two old Mercedes diesel cars, one a restored 1973
Mercedes 220D and the other a 1983 Mercedes 300TD turbocharged, 5 cyl
diesel station wagon. I'm currently running a pint of mineral spirits
mixed in 20 gallons of frying oil in those cars, UNMODIFIED, with great
success. Skip and Lydia, of Flying Pig fame, were riding around in my
220D on French Fried Oil last night....for free...(c;

The only big difference I see is the oil fires a little slower, making
less engine knock. They say it has less power and mileage, but I don't
see that for me. When the Frybrid switches over from straight diesel,
which it starts on to warm the oil to 160F from the heater water before
its computer switches, automatically, to fryer oil, I see an increase in
speed at the same throttle setting....more power, not less. I suppose my
observation is subjective and very unscientific. What I DO notice is the
truck went from $95/week to $5/week, overnight. All I have to do is move
the 5 gallon oil containers from the restaurants to George's warehouse,
in the truck for free of course. Mike, the guy with the Volkswagen, is
in charge of "processing". I'm in "delivery". George is in "warehouse
management" because it's his warehouse...(c;

There's about 1400 gallons in the warehouse, tonight, but I got a call,
yesterday, asking me to come get more free product from 2 of the 3
restaurants to make room in their kitchens, so that'll go up another
hundred or so gallons Monday afternoon during the restaurant's afternoon
break (They help me load if they're not real busy...(c.

The restaurants are all provided with a nice primary filter funnel with a
fine screen strainer in the bottom of it to get the oil back from their
cooling tank into the original plastic jugs it comes in, also solving
their oil jug disposal problem. They don't mind, at all, doing this
filtering from us as we are saving them about $100-200/month in disposal
fees. Fuel in any city with restaurants is abundant if one gets off ones
lazy ass and goes to get it. They dump the filter funnels in their
garbage and what I take to the warehouse is fairly filtered of the big
stuff.

After we slowly pump 3" off the bottom of the jugs through our filtering
system, the residue on the bottom is dumped into an empty container.
When several jugs has filled that container, we set it aside for another
month or so to settle it again. In 500 gallons of oil, we find about 2"
of "sludge" in a 5 gallon jug that has settled out. This saves us
changing the final filters, which have lasted nearly a year without
plugging up. The oil we pump in the vehicles is so clear you can read
through it. A gallon clear water bottle of it sits on my porch so I can
watch for it to get cloudy in winter, which, in South Carolina, it has
only done twice last year. A second clear bottle of the 80% oil/20%
gasoline I WAS using last winter in the unmodified cars is also up there
and it never clouds, at all. I've gotten away from gas/oil mix as
mineral spirits from a commercial paint supplier is much cheaper than gas
and I use less of it as a thinning agent. Runs great.

All of this sounds good, but I cannot imagine how anyone is going to run
it in a Hatteras 58 guzzling hundreds of gallons. How would you drag it
to the boat, 6 gallons at a time? If you had a warehouse on a WHARF, say
for fishing or shrimp boats....that would be a different matter!

We have so much "surplus", we've discussed procuring a diesel genset and
mounting it behind George's warehouse to turn the excess oil into power
we can sell to South Carolina Electric and Gouge in a new program being
tested. I found a 250KW, 12 cyl diesel genset I could have gotten for
free, control system and all, but to get it here from Alabama would have
cost us a fortune...(c; It was in a hospital and only had 700 hours on
it. The hospital got a bigger one....two, actually. I sure would have
loved to been operating that thing sync'd to the grid....nuts.

Larry


Cool.

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 00:38:47 +0000, Larry wrote:


The oil we pump in the vehicles is so clear you can read
through it. A gallon clear water bottle of it sits on my porch so I can
watch for it to get cloudy in winter, which, in South Carolina, it has
only done twice last year. A second clear bottle of the 80% oil/20%
gasoline I WAS using last winter in the unmodified cars is also up there
and it never clouds, at all.

I don't understand. Does cloudy == freezing?

thunder wrote in newsan.2007.07.22.04.07.26
@TAKEOUTgti.net:

I don't understand. Does cloudy == freezing?



As temperature drops, unwinterized diesel fuel, as well as frying oil,
solidifies at some temperature. If it gets really cold, it looks like
Crisco. Crisco has a much higher melting point than Canola oil, which is
what most of the frying oil is.

So, systems like Frybrid, HEAT the oil, using the hot water from the
heater hose off the engine to heat the pickup area of the tank, the oil
lines to the engine, the fuel filter, and a big heat exchanger that
raises the oil to 160F which makes it have the same viscosity as diesel
fuel for proper injection before feeding it through some switching valves
to the injection pump. Viscosity of it varies greatly with temperature.
Hotter is thinner, obviously. At the smoking point on a stove, it's like
water.

We can run on Crisco if you get it hot enough. Diesel engines were
originally designed for vegetable oil, but when it was discovered they'd
run on dino fuel oil and kerosene which was dirt cheap at the time, they
started running them all on dino fuel oil. It'll run on anything that
will burn if you can figure out how to inject it at TDC just right, even
liquified wood.

The "Cloud point" of unwinterized diesel fuel, which is quite simply
diesel and gasoline mixed, is around 30F. Vegetable oil clouds around
45F, so if you're going to run it in winter, raw, you need to heat it.
That's what the Frybrid and other oil heater systems do...so we can
inject it.

If diesel manufacturers would change their injection system back to
vegetable oils, all these "conversions" would be unnecessary. Mercedes
diesels specify you may burn heavier #3 diesel oil if you mix it with
kerosene, right in their manual. Us frying oil injectors have just taken
that a few steps further...(c;

Larry
--
Riding down the interstate at 70 for nearly free feels just wonderful!