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Does propane hose deteoriate?
"surfnturf" wrote in message
news:I4RBb.654376$9l5.343675@pd7tw2no... Copper is best where it will not be subjected to bending or flexing. Has the lovely property of becoming brittle as it is worked. Probably both surveyors were correct in their concerns. Indeed. I forgot to add "fixed"... Meindert |
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Does propane hose deteoriate?
"Rodney Myrvaagnes" wrote in message
... On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:58:47 +0100, "Meindert Sprang" wrote: Mandatory in the Netherlands. The only place where rubber is allowed is the shortest possible run from fixed copper to the regulator on the propane tank. Don't you hae a loop at the other end also? Does the stove gimbal? No. My stove isn't gimballed. Hardly necessary on a motorboat.. :-) Meindert |
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Does propane hose deteoriate?
"Rodney Myrvaagnes" wrote in message
... On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:58:47 +0100, "Meindert Sprang" wrote: Mandatory in the Netherlands. The only place where rubber is allowed is the shortest possible run from fixed copper to the regulator on the propane tank. Don't you hae a loop at the other end also? Does the stove gimbal? No. My stove isn't gimballed. Hardly necessary on a motorboat.. :-) Meindert |
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Doug "Rick" wrote in message ink.net... doug dotson wrote: Well, that pretty much confirms my experience with surveyors. Maybe I should just use the same one everytime. At least I won't be constantly change things back and forth. Why on Earth would you change anything just because some "surveyor" told you to? Actually, I didn't change anything directly because the surveyor told me to but rather that the items were listed under "Required Items" and the finance company and/or insurance company made me change them. If any surveyor claims that your boat is not within specs on any item it is his duty to demonstrate exactly what is wrong, what the rules or regulations require and what options you have to correct the deficiency. You paid for a written description of the problems and verification that they were indeed problems. I'm not sure all this is true. I did send a letter to one of the surveyors and got no response. I also sent a copy of the letter to the finance and insurance company and also got no response. The changes were more annoyances rather than heavy hitters. And all the surveyor's reports contain quite a few disclaimers You have to take as much blame on that deal as the incompetent "surveyor" you let lead you down the dock. If this was recent I would take the survey and a copy of the relevant CFR's and ABYC standards to him and suggest he pay your costs imposed his incompetence. While you are at it document the event thoroughly and submit all the information along with the "surveyors" repsonse to the organization which "certified" the cretin. Life's too short to get one's shorts in a wad. I'd rather deal with it and cruise. Normal life is hard enough to keep up with while cruising without having to manage a lawsuit as well. Small claims court may be an option if you are stonewalled because of his disclaimers. As I said earlier, these were not terribly expensive to comply with. It is just annoying that there seems to be a lack of consistency in this field. Rick |
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Doug "Rick" wrote in message ink.net... doug dotson wrote: Well, that pretty much confirms my experience with surveyors. Maybe I should just use the same one everytime. At least I won't be constantly change things back and forth. Why on Earth would you change anything just because some "surveyor" told you to? Actually, I didn't change anything directly because the surveyor told me to but rather that the items were listed under "Required Items" and the finance company and/or insurance company made me change them. If any surveyor claims that your boat is not within specs on any item it is his duty to demonstrate exactly what is wrong, what the rules or regulations require and what options you have to correct the deficiency. You paid for a written description of the problems and verification that they were indeed problems. I'm not sure all this is true. I did send a letter to one of the surveyors and got no response. I also sent a copy of the letter to the finance and insurance company and also got no response. The changes were more annoyances rather than heavy hitters. And all the surveyor's reports contain quite a few disclaimers You have to take as much blame on that deal as the incompetent "surveyor" you let lead you down the dock. If this was recent I would take the survey and a copy of the relevant CFR's and ABYC standards to him and suggest he pay your costs imposed his incompetence. While you are at it document the event thoroughly and submit all the information along with the "surveyors" repsonse to the organization which "certified" the cretin. Life's too short to get one's shorts in a wad. I'd rather deal with it and cruise. Normal life is hard enough to keep up with while cruising without having to manage a lawsuit as well. Small claims court may be an option if you are stonewalled because of his disclaimers. As I said earlier, these were not terribly expensive to comply with. It is just annoying that there seems to be a lack of consistency in this field. Rick |
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Does propane hose deteoriate?
Seems that some surveyor's personal preferences get mixed into
what the law or codes specify. "Rodney Myrvaagnes" wrote in message ... On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:10:52 -0500, Glenn Ashmore wrote: My surveyor said just the opposite. I had the line run in hose and he said it was acceptable but because it ran behind the cabinets and would be hard to replace that I should replace it with well supported copper tube. doug dotson wrote: I don;t think copper for propane is acceptable for boats in the US. The surveyor made me remove all of it on my boat when we bought it. The boat came from Canada where I guess it must be OK. He also made me replace all the copper fuel line as well. Doug s/v Callista "Len Krauss" wrote in message ... Agree with Doug's comment. Hope you're talking about a short length of hose you can observe regularly. Long runs out-of-sight should be heavy gauge copper. Len It is certainly copper on our boat. There is a loop of hose to let the range gimbal, and a short piece in the tank locker going to the tank attachment. The boat is 22 years old. One of the anchor points came adrift lat year and I repaired it. No surveyor has ever had a problem with it. Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a The sound of a Great Blue Heron's wingbeats going by your head |
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Does propane hose deteoriate?
Seems that some surveyor's personal preferences get mixed into
what the law or codes specify. "Rodney Myrvaagnes" wrote in message ... On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:10:52 -0500, Glenn Ashmore wrote: My surveyor said just the opposite. I had the line run in hose and he said it was acceptable but because it ran behind the cabinets and would be hard to replace that I should replace it with well supported copper tube. doug dotson wrote: I don;t think copper for propane is acceptable for boats in the US. The surveyor made me remove all of it on my boat when we bought it. The boat came from Canada where I guess it must be OK. He also made me replace all the copper fuel line as well. Doug s/v Callista "Len Krauss" wrote in message ... Agree with Doug's comment. Hope you're talking about a short length of hose you can observe regularly. Long runs out-of-sight should be heavy gauge copper. Len It is certainly copper on our boat. There is a loop of hose to let the range gimbal, and a short piece in the tank locker going to the tank attachment. The boat is 22 years old. One of the anchor points came adrift lat year and I repaired it. No surveyor has ever had a problem with it. Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a The sound of a Great Blue Heron's wingbeats going by your head |
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