On 03 Dec 2003 01:17:07 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:

What's great fun is to take someone with serious money and hot to buy
to a boat show dressed like you're going to mow the lawn. Been there,
done that....very entertaining....

Doesn't work here in NY. Most of the people with lots of cash dress like they
just got off the bread lines. Good clothes usually means low or middle class at
best. My friend use to run a Mercedes dealership. It was the shlubs who'd buy
big, while suits and designer dresses were just browsing and buying Camry's.

RB

Hmm....in the "South", backwards as we are, big money wears nice suits
or expensive clothes. Man, those commission boys can spot 'em miles
away.
Larry W4CSC

NNNN

suggest you hire your own
broker to represent your interests. I read about this in Cruising World this
past summer and doing that saved me thousands.

How is he compensated? Does he split the sales commission with the Sellers
broker? If his commission is higher if you pay more for the boat, how do you
know he is really trying to get the price down?

Thanks.......Scott

suggest you hire your own
broker to represent your interests. I read about this in Cruising World this
past summer and doing that saved me thousands.

How is he compensated? Does he split the sales commission with the Sellers
broker? If his commission is higher if you pay more for the boat, how do you
know he is really trying to get the price down?

Thanks.......Scott

On 04 Dec 2003 03:24:11 GMT, (DUINK) wrote:

suggest you hire your own
broker to represent your interests. I read about this in Cruising World this
past summer and doing that saved me thousands.

How is he compensated? Does he split the sales commission with the Sellers
broker? If his commission is higher if you pay more for the boat, how do you
know he is really trying to get the price down?

Thanks.......Scott


Don't be fooled by that one. No matter what a broker may tell you he
is ALWAYS working for the seller. They all are.

Regards
Gary.

On 04 Dec 2003 03:24:11 GMT, (DUINK) wrote:

suggest you hire your own
broker to represent your interests. I read about this in Cruising World this
past summer and doing that saved me thousands.

How is he compensated? Does he split the sales commission with the Sellers
broker? If his commission is higher if you pay more for the boat, how do you
know he is really trying to get the price down?

Thanks.......Scott


Don't be fooled by that one. No matter what a broker may tell you he
is ALWAYS working for the seller. They all are.

Regards
Gary.

"Helimech" wrote in message
news:zO8zb.401035$Tr4.1153600@attbi_s03...
What's the proper way to view boats that I see on internet sites. Do I
call
and make an appointment with the broker or is it customary to just go
there
and walk in to the office and announce that you want to look at several
boats. I'm very early in the process and just want to get a feel of the
size boat I'd be comfortable living in. I know its somewhere between 40
and
50 foot. Also what kind of response do you normally get when the broker
learns you aren't buying anytime soon? Sorry for the newbee questions.
JC

If you are very early in the process of deciding what'll suit you, go to a
big boat show. Then you can look over hundreds of vessels of all types to
narrow down your selection, and it'll be easier to eliminate many vessels
based on their paper specifications. I don't know which continent you live
on, but they all have grand shows one or two times a year attracting
thousands of gawpers and dreamers. For thirty years I was one such Gawper.
Since then I've lived on my dream.

Your typical broker gets between 6% and 10% of the selling price from the
vendor. He spends lots of time searching all sorts of sources to look for
boats to put on his lists. Once on his lists, he is *very* keen for as many
people as possible to view his boats. So, go for it. Go gawp at as many as
you can. A good broker will fire a list of questions at you to find out how
much effort he should put into selling to you, and what type of boat he
should point you at. He'll help you narrow down your choice, but he will be
biased to his current stock. Remember, he's *very keen* to get that %.

However, his boats may be scattered around the globe. So it's important for
you to get used to reading the specifications first - so you don't spend too
much time travelling on abortive missions. You'll see a thorough boat spec
for an ocean cruising vessel in my signature. If he can't provide that sort
of information, he's not doing his job very thoroughly.

Hope this helps. Go look. You can't lose. He can!

--
Jim B, Yacht RAPAZ,
Sadly, for sale:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jim.bae...cification.htm
jim[dot]baerselman[at]ntlworld[dot]com

"Helimech" wrote in message
news:zO8zb.401035$Tr4.1153600@attbi_s03...
What's the proper way to view boats that I see on internet sites. Do I
call
and make an appointment with the broker or is it customary to just go
there
and walk in to the office and announce that you want to look at several
boats. I'm very early in the process and just want to get a feel of the
size boat I'd be comfortable living in. I know its somewhere between 40
and
50 foot. Also what kind of response do you normally get when the broker
learns you aren't buying anytime soon? Sorry for the newbee questions.
JC

If you are very early in the process of deciding what'll suit you, go to a
big boat show. Then you can look over hundreds of vessels of all types to
narrow down your selection, and it'll be easier to eliminate many vessels
based on their paper specifications. I don't know which continent you live
on, but they all have grand shows one or two times a year attracting
thousands of gawpers and dreamers. For thirty years I was one such Gawper.
Since then I've lived on my dream.

Your typical broker gets between 6% and 10% of the selling price from the
vendor. He spends lots of time searching all sorts of sources to look for
boats to put on his lists. Once on his lists, he is *very* keen for as many
people as possible to view his boats. So, go for it. Go gawp at as many as
you can. A good broker will fire a list of questions at you to find out how
much effort he should put into selling to you, and what type of boat he
should point you at. He'll help you narrow down your choice, but he will be
biased to his current stock. Remember, he's *very keen* to get that %.

However, his boats may be scattered around the globe. So it's important for
you to get used to reading the specifications first - so you don't spend too
much time travelling on abortive missions. You'll see a thorough boat spec
for an ocean cruising vessel in my signature. If he can't provide that sort
of information, he's not doing his job very thoroughly.

Hope this helps. Go look. You can't lose. He can!

--
Jim B, Yacht RAPAZ,
Sadly, for sale:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jim.bae...cification.htm
jim[dot]baerselman[at]ntlworld[dot]com

Thanks to all for some great info. As they say, "Let the games begin" JC
"Helimech" wrote in message
news:zO8zb.401035$Tr4.1153600@attbi_s03...
What's the proper way to view boats that I see on internet sites. Do I
call
and make an appointment with the broker or is it customary to just go
there
and walk in to the office and announce that you want to look at several
boats. I'm very early in the process and just want to get a feel of the
size boat I'd be comfortable living in. I know its somewhere between 40
and
50 foot. Also what kind of response do you normally get when the broker
learns you aren't buying anytime soon? Sorry for the newbee questions.
JC

Thanks to all for some great info. As they say, "Let the games begin" JC
"Helimech" wrote in message
news:zO8zb.401035$Tr4.1153600@attbi_s03...
What's the proper way to view boats that I see on internet sites. Do I
call
and make an appointment with the broker or is it customary to just go
there
and walk in to the office and announce that you want to look at several
boats. I'm very early in the process and just want to get a feel of the
size boat I'd be comfortable living in. I know its somewhere between 40
and
50 foot. Also what kind of response do you normally get when the broker
learns you aren't buying anytime soon? Sorry for the newbee questions.
JC

I might add, having just done a huge amount of what it sounds like you're
about to do, that you can take any YachtWorld or other broker's information
with enough rock salt to recharge a water softener.

Aside from the raw specifications, what you see will rarely match the
description - and frequently the raw specifications won't be accurate,
either. If you don't already know what boat (make, model) and other
specifications you want, visiting the boats you *think* will work will be a
real education.

It's not really the brokers' fault. Pictures can't show the detail that
your eye will see, nor can the broker, without taking an inordinate amount
of time, convey the level of information which would really tell you the
story of a boat. You have to go rummage around it yourself. However, if
it's not a new boat, you can largely assume that the picture will look
better than reality. Unless the boat's actually truly been very recently
totally rehabbed, with new upholstery, cushions, whatever sort of window
treatments may be there, hatches, ports, non-skid, varnish, countertops,
running and standing rigging and sails, bottom treatment, rebuilt or new
engine and electronics, ad nauseum, it won't look like you think from seeing
the pictures and reading the descriptions. Even if it's a wreck when you
get in front of the real thing, or anything short of perfect, you'll like
what you see in the pictures much more than the reality, because the
pictures can't show the nitty gritty...

Or, you can ask the broker a lot of very pointed questions to try to get to
the reality. If you're not going to be looking at many boats, it may be
worth your while to do that. However, if there's several to many in a given
market, making an appointment with a broker to handle all of the listings
which you want to see, for you, and just going and seeing them, will be
quicker and much more educational. You'll also find the broker more willing
to talk about what they know in that environment, than taking time to answer
a lot of questions on the phone. Then, too, unless it's their listing, and
even then, perhaps not, often they'll know very little about the boat, so
you might not get meaningful information in any event.

Look for other posts of mine in the archives to get a feel for why I go on
like that. It's a long process, unless you've got boatloads (pardon the
expression) of money, and getting aboard is more important than things being
how you'd like them, in which case, nearly anything in whatever price range
you may have will do.

I'm very glad to say that I'm on the home stretch in our search. It's been
quite an adventure, as any long-timers here can attest :{)) [handlebars and
full beard, tm]

L8R

Skip


--
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away
from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover." - Mark Twain
"Helimech" wrote in message
news:tKoCb.375063$275.1216396@attbi_s53...
Thanks to all for some great info. As they say, "Let the games begin" JC
"Helimech" wrote in message
news:zO8zb.401035$Tr4.1153600@attbi_s03...
What's the proper way to view boats that I see on internet sites. Do I
call
and make an appointment with the broker or is it customary to just go
there
and walk in to the office and announce that you want to look at several
boats. I'm very early in the process and just want to get a feel of the
size boat I'd be comfortable living in. I know its somewhere between 40
and
50 foot. Also what kind of response do you normally get when the broker
learns you aren't buying anytime soon? Sorry for the newbee questions.
JC