Chuck Bollinger wrote:

At the Work Boat Show (Seattle) on Friday I was looking for a fixed
mount GPS to replace my beloved Micrologic Mariner which is showing some
senility. I found the Garmin GPS 152 and the Furuno GP-32 and 37.
They'd probably do the job.

Thing is, though, neither of them has a keypad. So I'd like to know
from a user just how, and how quickly, a waypoint can be entered. Ever
since I had a laptop disaster I've taken to putting waypoints in
manually as I need them rather than storing more than a couple. It
takes less than 10 seconds on my Mariner. How about either of these two
units.

Alternatively, can someone recommend perhaps another unit, like these
two, that does have a keypad entry?

Thanks

Chuck Bollinger wrote:

I appreciate the thoughtful replies. It confirms what I had suspected. As far
as entering info from the laptop: I go through this 'entering numbers' thing on
the GPS to stay aloof from the laptop. I've had a series of evil things happen
at bad times, which is why we have the chart-pack out when in non-home waters.
If the laptop goes I lose a toy, but not my position or ability to navigate.

This is a good group.

I can recommend the Yeoman plotter. It is a specialised digitising tablet
with a NMEA0183 interface designed for marine charts that lets you
quickly and easily read off the current position directly on any normal
paper chart using your GPS, (you just move the puck in the direction of
the illuminated arrow or arrowson it, and your position is under the hole
in the crosshair for the tip of a pencil when all the arrows have gone
out. It also reads off range and bearing to any feature on the chart, and
SENDS WAYPOINTS DIRECT FROM IT TO YOUR GPS with only a few button clicks.

Of course, you have to calibrate it to the chart, but that only takes a
couple of minutes per chart, once off, then its select the reference
number you wrote on the chart margin, and click the three reference points
if you change charts or if the power has been off.

I first met it on a friend's yacht and was sufficiently impressed with the
conveniance, accuracy and reduced risk of error that I treated my self to
one just to pre-enter waypoints in the Garmin GPS12 handheld I use when
dinghy cruising.

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wooden racing dinghy circa. 1961

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:50:31 GMT, Chuck Bollinger
wrote:

I appreciate the thoughtful replies. It confirms what I had suspected. As far
as entering info from the laptop: I go through this 'entering numbers' thing on
the GPS to stay aloof from the laptop. I've had a series of evil things happen
at bad times, which is why we have the chart-pack out when in non-home waters.
If the laptop goes I lose a toy, but not my position or ability to navigate.

This is a good group.

Chuck, if you ever see one for sale, just buy it......

http://www.yeomanuk.com/home/index2.htm

My Capn had a Yeoman XL Sport, the foam laptop model. It fell apart
when he left it in a hot Atlanta sun inside his pickup truck
(150F?...C???) I took out the PC board with the computer mounted to
it and used double-sided 5lb/inch tape to stick it to the bottom of
Lionheart's mahogany chart table lid. The Chart Table now has a
mouse/puck that takes the drudgery out of charting on paper. Works
with any chart on any scale......from any cheap GPS that outputs NMEA
0183 to feed it your position. Accuracy is the width of your pencil.
Sure is nice to click a point or your current position and just point
the puck to another point on the chart and be handed range and azimuth
on the LCD screen...(c;


Larry W4CSC

NNNN

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:50:31 GMT, Chuck Bollinger
wrote:

I appreciate the thoughtful replies. It confirms what I had suspected. As far
as entering info from the laptop: I go through this 'entering numbers' thing on
the GPS to stay aloof from the laptop. I've had a series of evil things happen
at bad times, which is why we have the chart-pack out when in non-home waters.
If the laptop goes I lose a toy, but not my position or ability to navigate.

This is a good group.

Chuck, if you ever see one for sale, just buy it......

http://www.yeomanuk.com/home/index2.htm

My Capn had a Yeoman XL Sport, the foam laptop model. It fell apart
when he left it in a hot Atlanta sun inside his pickup truck
(150F?...C???) I took out the PC board with the computer mounted to
it and used double-sided 5lb/inch tape to stick it to the bottom of
Lionheart's mahogany chart table lid. The Chart Table now has a
mouse/puck that takes the drudgery out of charting on paper. Works
with any chart on any scale......from any cheap GPS that outputs NMEA
0183 to feed it your position. Accuracy is the width of your pencil.
Sure is nice to click a point or your current position and just point
the puck to another point on the chart and be handed range and azimuth
on the LCD screen...(c;


Larry W4CSC

NNNN

Hi Chuck,
Not knowing anything about GPS's, but I'm looking/shopping at the moment for
one. I noticed several with a MOB(red button) on the keypad. Would not a
series of MOB's give you a running score of waypoints? I assume they can be
re-entered or moved with a proper description?
Just a thought FWIW--
c ya Wim
www.cruising.ca/thousand/f-index.html


"Chuck Bollinger" wrote in message
news:vg5wb.286189$Fm2.295102@attbi_s04...
: At the Work Boat Show (Seattle) on Friday I was looking for a fixed mount
GPS to
: replace my beloved Micrologic Mariner which is showing some senility. I
found
: the Garmin GPS 152 and the Furuno GP-32 and 37. They'd probably do the
job.
:
: Thing is, though, neither of them has a keypad. So I'd like to know from
a user
: just how, and how quickly, a waypoint can be entered. Ever since I had a
laptop
: disaster I've taken to putting waypoints in manually as I need them rather
than
: storing more than a couple. It takes less than 10 seconds on my Mariner.
How
: about either of these two units.
:
: Alternatively, can someone recommend perhaps another unit, like these two,
that
: does have a keypad entry?
:
: Thanks
:

Hi Chuck,
Not knowing anything about GPS's, but I'm looking/shopping at the moment for
one. I noticed several with a MOB(red button) on the keypad. Would not a
series of MOB's give you a running score of waypoints? I assume they can be
re-entered or moved with a proper description?
Just a thought FWIW--
c ya Wim
www.cruising.ca/thousand/f-index.html


"Chuck Bollinger" wrote in message
news:vg5wb.286189$Fm2.295102@attbi_s04...
: At the Work Boat Show (Seattle) on Friday I was looking for a fixed mount
GPS to
: replace my beloved Micrologic Mariner which is showing some senility. I
found
: the Garmin GPS 152 and the Furuno GP-32 and 37. They'd probably do the
job.
:
: Thing is, though, neither of them has a keypad. So I'd like to know from
a user
: just how, and how quickly, a waypoint can be entered. Ever since I had a
laptop
: disaster I've taken to putting waypoints in manually as I need them rather
than
: storing more than a couple. It takes less than 10 seconds on my Mariner.
How
: about either of these two units.
:
: Alternatively, can someone recommend perhaps another unit, like these two,
that
: does have a keypad entry?
:
: Thanks
:

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:55:47 +0000, Ian Malcolm wrote:

Chuck Bollinger wrote:

At the Work Boat Show (Seattle) on Friday I was looking for a fixed mount
GPS to replace my beloved Micrologic Mariner which is showing some senility.
I found the Garmin GPS 152 and the Furuno GP-32 and 37. They'd probably do
the job.

Thing is, though, neither of them has a keypad. So I'd like to know from a
user just how, and how quickly, a waypoint can be entered. Ever since I had
a laptop disaster I've taken to putting waypoints in manually as I need them
rather than storing more than a couple. It takes less than 10 seconds on my
Mariner. How about either of these two units.

Alternatively, can someone recommend perhaps another unit, like these two,
that does have a keypad entry?

Thanks

Chuck Bollinger wrote:

I appreciate the thoughtful replies. It confirms what I had suspected. As
far as entering info from the laptop: I go through this 'entering numbers'
thing on the GPS to stay aloof from the laptop. I've had a series of evil
things happen at bad times, which is why we have the chart-pack out when in
non-home waters. If the laptop goes I lose a toy, but not my position or
ability to navigate.

This is a good group.

I can recommend the Yeoman plotter. It is a specialised digitising tablet with
a NMEA0183 interface designed for marine charts that lets you quickly and
easily read off the current position directly on any normal paper chart using
your GPS, (you just move the puck in the direction of the illuminated arrow or
arrowson it, and your position is under the hole in the crosshair for the tip of
a pencil when all the arrows have gone out. It also reads off range and bearing
to any feature on the chart, and SENDS WAYPOINTS DIRECT FROM IT TO YOUR GPS with
only a few button clicks.


Oh, good grief: Technology Gone Mad. You mean you can't read lat/long off a
chart? And if you can err reading the chart, you can err even worse setting it
up.

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36 c/w lots of paper charts.

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:55:47 +0000, Ian Malcolm wrote:

Chuck Bollinger wrote:

At the Work Boat Show (Seattle) on Friday I was looking for a fixed mount
GPS to replace my beloved Micrologic Mariner which is showing some senility.
I found the Garmin GPS 152 and the Furuno GP-32 and 37. They'd probably do
the job.

Thing is, though, neither of them has a keypad. So I'd like to know from a
user just how, and how quickly, a waypoint can be entered. Ever since I had
a laptop disaster I've taken to putting waypoints in manually as I need them
rather than storing more than a couple. It takes less than 10 seconds on my
Mariner. How about either of these two units.

Alternatively, can someone recommend perhaps another unit, like these two,
that does have a keypad entry?

Thanks

Chuck Bollinger wrote:

I appreciate the thoughtful replies. It confirms what I had suspected. As
far as entering info from the laptop: I go through this 'entering numbers'
thing on the GPS to stay aloof from the laptop. I've had a series of evil
things happen at bad times, which is why we have the chart-pack out when in
non-home waters. If the laptop goes I lose a toy, but not my position or
ability to navigate.

This is a good group.

I can recommend the Yeoman plotter. It is a specialised digitising tablet with
a NMEA0183 interface designed for marine charts that lets you quickly and
easily read off the current position directly on any normal paper chart using
your GPS, (you just move the puck in the direction of the illuminated arrow or
arrowson it, and your position is under the hole in the crosshair for the tip of
a pencil when all the arrows have gone out. It also reads off range and bearing
to any feature on the chart, and SENDS WAYPOINTS DIRECT FROM IT TO YOUR GPS with
only a few button clicks.


Oh, good grief: Technology Gone Mad. You mean you can't read lat/long off a
chart? And if you can err reading the chart, you can err even worse setting it
up.

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36 c/w lots of paper charts.

Yup, I use the MOB button to set any waypoints I want exact (like a tricky
entrance to a bay). Hit it, then when you have some time, change the title, etc.
to your liking.

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:44:04 +0000, Wim wrote:

Hi Chuck,
Not knowing anything about GPS's, but I'm looking/shopping at the moment for
one. I noticed several with a MOB(red button) on the keypad. Would not a series
of MOB's give you a running score of waypoints? I assume they can be re-entered
or moved with a proper description? Just a thought FWIW--
c ya Wim
www.cruising.ca/thousand/f-index.html


"Chuck Bollinger" wrote in message
news:vg5wb.286189$Fm2.295102@attbi_s04...
: At the Work Boat Show (Seattle) on Friday I was looking for a fixed mount
GPS to
: replace my beloved Micrologic Mariner which is showing some senility. I
found
: the Garmin GPS 152 and the Furuno GP-32 and 37. They'd probably do the
job.
:
: Thing is, though, neither of them has a keypad. So I'd like to know from
a user
: just how, and how quickly, a waypoint can be entered. Ever since I had a
laptop
: disaster I've taken to putting waypoints in manually as I need them rather
than
: storing more than a couple. It takes less than 10 seconds on my Mariner.
How
: about either of these two units.
:
: Alternatively, can someone recommend perhaps another unit, like these two,
that
: does have a keypad entry?
:
: Thanks
:
:

Yup, I use the MOB button to set any waypoints I want exact (like a tricky
entrance to a bay). Hit it, then when you have some time, change the title, etc.
to your liking.

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:44:04 +0000, Wim wrote:

Hi Chuck,
Not knowing anything about GPS's, but I'm looking/shopping at the moment for
one. I noticed several with a MOB(red button) on the keypad. Would not a series
of MOB's give you a running score of waypoints? I assume they can be re-entered
or moved with a proper description? Just a thought FWIW--
c ya Wim
www.cruising.ca/thousand/f-index.html


"Chuck Bollinger" wrote in message
news:vg5wb.286189$Fm2.295102@attbi_s04...
: At the Work Boat Show (Seattle) on Friday I was looking for a fixed mount
GPS to
: replace my beloved Micrologic Mariner which is showing some senility. I
found
: the Garmin GPS 152 and the Furuno GP-32 and 37. They'd probably do the
job.
:
: Thing is, though, neither of them has a keypad. So I'd like to know from
a user
: just how, and how quickly, a waypoint can be entered. Ever since I had a
laptop
: disaster I've taken to putting waypoints in manually as I need them rather
than
: storing more than a couple. It takes less than 10 seconds on my Mariner.
How
: about either of these two units.
:
: Alternatively, can someone recommend perhaps another unit, like these two,
that
: does have a keypad entry?
:
: Thanks
:
:

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:55:47 +0000, Ian Malcolm wrote:

I can recommend the Yeoman plotter. It is a specialised digitising
tablet with
a NMEA0183 interface designed for marine charts that lets you quickly
and
easily read off the current position directly on any normal paper chart
using
your GPS, (you just move the puck in the direction of the illuminated
arrow or
arrowson it, and your position is under the hole in the crosshair for
the tip of
a pencil when all the arrows have gone out. It also reads off range and
bearing
to any feature on the chart, and SENDS WAYPOINTS DIRECT FROM IT TO YOUR
GPS with
only a few button clicks.


"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote

Oh, good grief: Technology Gone Mad. You mean you can't read lat/long off
a
chart? And if you can err reading the chart, you can err even worse
setting it
up.

Having nearly put the boat up on a beach somewhere in Costa Rica because I
mistakenly entered 77 deg instead of 76 deg or something equally foolish as
a waypoint on the GPS, I can really appreciate the value of eliminating the
human element where possible.

The only thing that saved us was that we had drawn a course line joining
waypoints. A quick eyeball check of our course being steered v.s. the
chartered one tipped me off.


--
Evan Gatehouse

you'll have to rewrite my email address to get to me
ceilydh AT 3web dot net
(fools the spammers)