I would say the biggest difference comes with heavy weather conditions. You
have
to be more aware of changing conditions to do things like get your sail area
reduced
if the wind picks up. For extreme conditions, I would learn about measures to
keep
your boat safe, like lying ahull. You have to be more aware of the depths you
will
go over, since most sailboats have deep keels. Learning how to keep from going
aground and what to do if you are, can be important. Navigation with currents
becomes more important, since your speed is much less than a power boat and you
are exposed to drifts for longer periods. Those are mostly safety issues. Of
course,
you will have to learn more about sail trim, reefing sails, etc. to complete the
picture.
Just don't become one of those sailors I see motoring with a favorable wind with
all
their sails down.

Sherwin D.

Two meter troll wrote:

Ok ive spent my life so far driving around the seas in a boat
independant of the wind. Not only that but way way north of places
sane folks take sail boats in the modern era.
I am Ok at navigations, pretty good at marlin spike seamanship, but
the last time i used a sail was on a homemade pram in Bristlebay AK.
just playing around 15 years ago.

Being an old sailor means i figured out that to make it to codger, i
need to ask some questions and learn from other folks experiances.

how do you transition from power boat to sail?
what habits do i need to unlearn?
what safety habits differ from power to sail?
what am I likely to over look when plotting a course for sail as
opposed to power?
Where are the folks i need to talk to about raising kids on boats?
ports of call and boat yards in the pacific where you can get good
work done cheap?
side band channels to monitor for info and tips?
quick guides to what not to do in various ports?
where to avoid and why?
groups to sail with?
income at sea?
And whole bunches more.
I have the mother of all maritime links, and news groups, etc.
And currently i have time due to a crushed leg.
Thanks in advance.
2MT

Lying ahull?

learning a new language so please bear with me.

The idea behind the sail boat is that i have a better way to go to the
places folks want me and my partner to build and teach. It just makes
more sense for a permiculture teacher and a natrual builder to travel
by wind power than burn up fuel.
(as an aside)
the tiny amount of weight you can carry on an airplane does not make
up my tool boxes.
( it was lucky i could catch a bus to new orleans, at the last second
cause; i sure couldnt put the 300 lbs of hand tools on the plane with
me)

getting away from power boats for me is the point; the screaming jimmy
might be a way to power a boat, but ive always watched the sail boats
fly by quiet and sweet while i made enugh noise to wake the dead. LOL
the speed of a sail boat is not all that slow.. i might have sailed
big boats but i can tell you a crab boat aint fast. the Renigade did 8
knots and the Tempest did 11, the fastest was a streamer in the gulf
of mexico and it did 17.

"Two meter troll" wrote in message
oups.com...
Lying ahull?

Lying ahull is a very old technique for weathering a storm with no sail up.
It's not used much any more, since it doesn't give you any control. A better
technique is heaving to, which leaves sail up and gives you some ability to
maneauver.

The basic technique for heaving to, is to tack from close hauled without
releasing the jib, then ease the main, and lash the tiller to leward or the
wheel to windward. This calms the boat down, and can be used to stop for
lunch, etc.

Here's a long explanation of the various techniques...

http://www.boats.com/news-reviews/ar....html?lid=1284

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On Mar 16, 10:48 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Two meter troll" wrote in ooglegroups.com...

Lying ahull?

Lying ahull is a very old technique for weathering a storm with no sail up.
It's not used much any more, since it doesn't give you any control. A better
technique is heaving to, which leaves sail up and gives you some ability to
maneauver.

The basic technique for heaving to, is to tack from close hauled without
releasing the jib, then ease the main, and lash the tiller to leward or the
wheel to windward. This calms the boat down, and can be used to stop for
lunch, etc.

Here's a long explanation of the various techniques...

http://www.boats.com/news-reviews/ar....html?lid=1284

--
"j" ganz

"heaving to" is a sea anchor and storm sail and "lying ahull" is
basicly adrift and depending on your boat running fair.

Thanks

Two meter troll wrote:
On Mar 16, 10:48 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Two meter troll" wrote in ooglegroups.com...

Lying ahull?
Lying ahull is a very old technique for weathering a storm with no sail up.
It's not used much any more, since it doesn't give you any control. A better
technique is heaving to, which leaves sail up and gives you some ability to
maneauver.

The basic technique for heaving to, is to tack from close hauled without
releasing the jib, then ease the main, and lash the tiller to leward or the
wheel to windward. This calms the boat down, and can be used to stop for
lunch, etc.

Here's a long explanation of the various techniques...

http://www.boats.com/news-reviews/ar....html?lid=1284

--
"j" ganz

"heaving to" is a sea anchor and storm sail and "lying ahull" is
basicly adrift and depending on your boat running fair.

Thanks

No sea anchor required to heave to!

"Two meter troll" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Mar 16, 10:48 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Two meter troll" wrote in
ooglegroups.com...

Lying ahull?

Lying ahull is a very old technique for weathering a storm with no sail
up.
It's not used much any more, since it doesn't give you any control. A
better
technique is heaving to, which leaves sail up and gives you some ability
to
maneauver.

The basic technique for heaving to, is to tack from close hauled without
releasing the jib, then ease the main, and lash the tiller to leward or
the
wheel to windward. This calms the boat down, and can be used to stop for
lunch, etc.

Here's a long explanation of the various techniques...

http://www.boats.com/news-reviews/ar....html?lid=1284

--
"j" ganz

"heaving to" is a sea anchor and storm sail and "lying ahull" is
basicly adrift and depending on your boat running fair.

Thanks



Nope... read it again. Heaving to is using your sails and rudder... nothing
to do with a sea anchor.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Capt. JG wrote:
"Two meter troll" wrote in message
ups.com...

On Mar 16, 10:48 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:

"Two meter troll" wrote in
messagenews:1174066150.092432.101980@e65g2000hs c.googlegroups.com...


Lying ahull?

Lying ahull is a very old technique for weathering a storm with no sail
up.
It's not used much any more, since it doesn't give you any control. A
better
technique is heaving to, which leaves sail up and gives you some ability
to
maneauver.

The basic technique for heaving to, is to tack from close hauled without
releasing the jib, then ease the main, and lash the tiller to leward or
the
wheel to windward. This calms the boat down, and can be used to stop for
lunch, etc.

Here's a long explanation of the various techniques...

http://www.boats.com/news-reviews/ar....html?lid=1284

--
"j" ganz

"heaving to" is a sea anchor and storm sail and "lying ahull" is
basicly adrift and depending on your boat running fair.

Thanks



Nope... read it again. Heaving to is using your sails and rudder... nothing
to do with a sea anchor.

Nope, not according to the linked info. To quote:

"But, heaving to is most often done when the wind is really piping.
There are three generally accepted ways to heave to in a sail boat:
lying to a sea anchor or para-anchor; lying ahull; and, heaving to under
reduced sail."

Keith Hughes

"Keith Hughes" wrote in message
...


Capt. JG wrote:
"Two meter troll" wrote in message
ups.com...

On Mar 16, 10:48 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:

"Two meter troll" wrote in
messagenews:1174066150.092432.101980@e65g2000h sc.googlegroups.com...


Lying ahull?

Lying ahull is a very old technique for weathering a storm with no sail
up.
It's not used much any more, since it doesn't give you any control. A
better
technique is heaving to, which leaves sail up and gives you some ability
to
maneauver.

The basic technique for heaving to, is to tack from close hauled without
releasing the jib, then ease the main, and lash the tiller to leward or
the
wheel to windward. This calms the boat down, and can be used to stop
for
lunch, etc.

Here's a long explanation of the various techniques...

http://www.boats.com/news-reviews/ar....html?lid=1284

--
"j" ganz

"heaving to" is a sea anchor and storm sail and "lying ahull" is
basicly adrift and depending on your boat running fair.

Thanks



Nope... read it again. Heaving to is using your sails and rudder...
nothing to do with a sea anchor.

Nope, not according to the linked info. To quote:

"But, heaving to is most often done when the wind is really piping. There
are three generally accepted ways to heave to in a sail boat: lying to a
sea anchor or para-anchor; lying ahull; and, heaving to under reduced
sail."

Keith Hughes


Huh?

Three ways:

1) lying to a sea anchor or para-anchor
2) lying ahull
3) heaving to under reduced sail

Thus, heaving-to is under reduced sail and has nothing to do with a sea
anchor.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:48:47 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Two meter troll" wrote in message
roups.com...
Lying ahull?

Lying ahull is a very old technique for weathering a storm with no sail up.
It's not used much any more, since it doesn't give you any control. A better
technique is heaving to, which leaves sail up and gives you some ability to
maneauver.

The basic technique for heaving to, is to tack from close hauled without
releasing the jib, then ease the main, and lash the tiller to leward or the
wheel to windward. This calms the boat down, and can be used to stop for
lunch, etc.

Here's a long explanation of the various techniques...

http://www.boats.com/news-reviews/ar....html?lid=1284

Good article. Some of this sounds all too familiar:

==============================================
Heaving-to
Heavy weather sailing

by George Day
Blue Water Sailing

Heavy weather wears on the boat, tears on the sails and gradually
takes a mighty toll on the crew. Exhaustion, from lack of sleep, from
worry and from the persistent roar of waves and wind, can be blamed
for more problems at sea than any other single cause. When you're too
tired to sail on, when the crew is feeling battered and sick, when the
boat seems to be overpowered, you will know it is time to stop for a
while and heave to.
===============================================

Almost prophetic in fact...

....
the speed of a sail boat is not all that slow.. i might have sailed
big boats but i can tell you a crab boat aint fast. the Renigade did 8
knots and the Tempest did 11, the fastest was a streamer in the gulf
of mexico and it did 17.

My feeling is that the "average" cruising sail boat typically makes
good about 4 knots port to port on passages of more than three days.
Of course the variance is high but making good 8 knots port to port
will require a fast boat and hard work and 11 knots is very fast even
for racing boats. I'd guess that the passage times for your
"Renigade" would be equivalent to a well sailed, fast 40 foot cruising
cat or performance cruising mono of about 50 feet.

-- Tom.