* NE Sailboat wrote, On 3/12/2007 11:02 AM:
Take a look at Massachusetts .. The Democrats have been running the state
forever.

And, because of that, we have a local tax burden lower than the
national average. We have one of the best school systems in the
country, with the highest ratings on all four of the the standardized
tests (reading and math, 4th and 8th grades) of any of the states.
Crime rates are well below the national average, with one of the
lowest murder rates in the country. Also, our suicide rate is almost
the lowest in the country. The major health care systems are rated
amongst the best in the country.


It sure looks like the Dems made a mess of things. I suppose its best
if you stayed well clear.

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
* NE Sailboat wrote, On 3/12/2007 11:02 AM:
Take a look at Massachusetts .. The Democrats have been running the
state forever.

And, because of that, we have a local tax burden lower than the
national average. We have one of the best school systems in the
country, with the highest ratings on all four of the the standardized
tests (reading and math, 4th and 8th grades) of any of the states.
Crime rates are well below the national average, with one of the
lowest murder rates in the country. Also, our suicide rate is almost
the lowest in the country. The major health care systems are rated
amongst the best in the country.


It sure looks like the Dems made a mess of things. I suppose its best
if you stayed well clear.


I guess you haven't read this: http://www.itepnet.org/wp2000/ma%20pr.pdf

Like I said, a rich ruling class and a poor working class groveling at
their feet. Socialism is alive and well in Taxachussetts.

Wilbur Hubbard

* Wilbur Hubbard wrote, On 3/12/2007 3:10 PM:

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
* NE Sailboat wrote, On 3/12/2007 11:02 AM:
Take a look at Massachusetts .. The Democrats have been running the
state forever.

And, because of that, we have a local tax burden lower than the
national average. We have one of the best school systems in the
country, with the highest ratings on all four of the the standardized
tests (reading and math, 4th and 8th grades) of any of the states.
Crime rates are well below the national average, with one of the
lowest murder rates in the country. Also, our suicide rate is almost
the lowest in the country. The major health care systems are rated
amongst the best in the country.


It sure looks like the Dems made a mess of things. I suppose its best
if you stayed well clear.


I guess you haven't read this: http://www.itepnet.org/wp2000/ma%20pr.pdf

Like I said, a rich ruling class and a poor working class groveling at
their feet. Socialism is alive and well in Taxachussetts.

Wilbur Hubbard

I guess you didn't read that report yourself. All it says is that the
most wealthy don't spend as much of their incomes on certain taxable
items, especially sales tax or excise tax items. And, the report is a
"standard form" that the web site offers for just about every state.
In fact, MA is actually quite fair, with an equal burden shared by 95%
of the state. And, the local tax on the poor is 20% lower than the
national average, one of the lowest in the country.

Compare this to your state. Florida is listed as the second most
regressive, with the local tax on the poor over 50% higher than
Massachusetts!

Its pretty clear you have neither the inclination nor ability to
actually determine the truth about even simple issues.

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
* Wilbur Hubbard wrote, On 3/12/2007 3:10 PM:

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
* NE Sailboat wrote, On 3/12/2007 11:02 AM:
Take a look at Massachusetts .. The Democrats have been running the
state forever.

And, because of that, we have a local tax burden lower than the
national average. We have one of the best school systems in the
country, with the highest ratings on all four of the the
standardized tests (reading and math, 4th and 8th grades) of any of
the states. Crime rates are well below the national average, with
one of the lowest murder rates in the country. Also, our suicide
rate is almost the lowest in the country. The major health care
systems are rated amongst the best in the country.


It sure looks like the Dems made a mess of things. I suppose its
best if you stayed well clear.


I guess you haven't read this:
http://www.itepnet.org/wp2000/ma%20pr.pdf

Like I said, a rich ruling class and a poor working class groveling
at their feet. Socialism is alive and well in Taxachussetts.

Wilbur Hubbard

I guess you didn't read that report yourself. All it says is that the
most wealthy don't spend as much of their incomes on certain taxable
items, especially sales tax or excise tax items. And, the report is a
"standard form" that the web site offers for just about every state.
In fact, MA is actually quite fair, with an equal burden shared by 95%
of the state. And, the local tax on the poor is 20% lower than the
national average, one of the lowest in the country.

Compare this to your state. Florida is listed as the second most
regressive, with the local tax on the poor over 50% higher than
Massachusetts!

Its pretty clear you have neither the inclination nor ability to
actually determine the truth about even simple issues.

Get a clue, man. Florida has NO income tax. Zero, zip, nada. Sales taxes
are in line with most other states and there is no sales tax on
groceries.

Wilbur Hubbard

* Wilbur Hubbard wrote, On 3/12/2007 4:02 PM:

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
* Wilbur Hubbard wrote, On 3/12/2007 3:10 PM:

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
* NE Sailboat wrote, On 3/12/2007 11:02 AM:
Take a look at Massachusetts .. The Democrats have been running the
state forever.

And, because of that, we have a local tax burden lower than the
national average. We have one of the best school systems in the
country, with the highest ratings on all four of the the
standardized tests (reading and math, 4th and 8th grades) of any of
the states. Crime rates are well below the national average, with
one of the lowest murder rates in the country. Also, our suicide
rate is almost the lowest in the country. The major health care
systems are rated amongst the best in the country.


It sure looks like the Dems made a mess of things. I suppose its
best if you stayed well clear.


I guess you haven't read this: http://www.itepnet.org/wp2000/ma%20pr.pdf

Like I said, a rich ruling class and a poor working class groveling
at their feet. Socialism is alive and well in Taxachussetts.

Wilbur Hubbard

I guess you didn't read that report yourself. All it says is that the
most wealthy don't spend as much of their incomes on certain taxable
items, especially sales tax or excise tax items. And, the report is a
"standard form" that the web site offers for just about every state.
In fact, MA is actually quite fair, with an equal burden shared by 95%
of the state. And, the local tax on the poor is 20% lower than the
national average, one of the lowest in the country.

Compare this to your state. Florida is listed as the second most
regressive, with the local tax on the poor over 50% higher than
Massachusetts!

Its pretty clear you have neither the inclination nor ability to
actually determine the truth about even simple issues.

Get a clue, man. Florida has NO income tax. Zero, zip, nada. Sales taxes
are in line with most other states and there is no sales tax on groceries.

Perhaps you should read your own sources rather than make up "data."
Here's the sheet for FL:
http://www.itepnet.org/wp2000/fl%20pr.pdf

The poorest 20% are paying 14.4% of their income, mostly in sales tax.
In MA, the lowest group only spends 9.3%.

Jeff ,,, really man ... you are making a complete fool of yourself.

The poor in Mass can't afford a home. Why? Because the state won't let any
homes get built.

You throw in the income tax, sales tax, excise tax, real estate tax, the
"Big Dig" corruption,,,,

You are out of your F'n mind.

Mass sucks! It is corrupt. Why do you think Fidelity is leaving? The
employees I have spoken to can't get out of Mass
quick enough.

You should consider therapy.


What a joke,,,


I'm sure Ted Kennedy is drinking to your stupidity.


========================================
"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
* Wilbur Hubbard wrote, On 3/12/2007 4:02 PM:

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
* Wilbur Hubbard wrote, On 3/12/2007 3:10 PM:

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
* NE Sailboat wrote, On 3/12/2007 11:02 AM:
Take a look at Massachusetts .. The Democrats have been running the
state forever.

And, because of that, we have a local tax burden lower than the
national average. We have one of the best school systems in the
country, with the highest ratings on all four of the the standardized
tests (reading and math, 4th and 8th grades) of any of the states.
Crime rates are well below the national average, with one of the
lowest murder rates in the country. Also, our suicide rate is almost
the lowest in the country. The major health care systems are rated
amongst the best in the country.


It sure looks like the Dems made a mess of things. I suppose its best
if you stayed well clear.


I guess you haven't read this:
http://www.itepnet.org/wp2000/ma%20pr.pdf

Like I said, a rich ruling class and a poor working class groveling at
their feet. Socialism is alive and well in Taxachussetts.

Wilbur Hubbard

I guess you didn't read that report yourself. All it says is that the
most wealthy don't spend as much of their incomes on certain taxable
items, especially sales tax or excise tax items. And, the report is a
"standard form" that the web site offers for just about every state. In
fact, MA is actually quite fair, with an equal burden shared by 95% of
the state. And, the local tax on the poor is 20% lower than the
national average, one of the lowest in the country.

Compare this to your state. Florida is listed as the second most
regressive, with the local tax on the poor over 50% higher than
Massachusetts!

Its pretty clear you have neither the inclination nor ability to
actually determine the truth about even simple issues.

Get a clue, man. Florida has NO income tax. Zero, zip, nada. Sales taxes
are in line with most other states and there is no sales tax on
groceries.

Perhaps you should read your own sources rather than make up "data."
Here's the sheet for FL:
http://www.itepnet.org/wp2000/fl%20pr.pdf

The poorest 20% are paying 14.4% of their income, mostly in sales tax. In
MA, the lowest group only spends 9.3%.

"NE Sailboat" wrote in message
news:JdjJh.12969$d8.8282@trndny07...
Jeff ,,, really man ... you are making a complete fool of yourself.

The poor in Mass can't afford a home. Why? Because the state won't
let any homes get built.

You throw in the income tax, sales tax, excise tax, real estate tax,
the "Big Dig" corruption,,,,

You are out of your F'n mind.

Mass sucks! It is corrupt. Why do you think Fidelity is leaving?
The employees I have spoken to can't get out of Mass
quick enough.

You should consider therapy.


What a joke,,,


I'm sure Ted Kennedy is drinking to your stupidity.

No wonder the Cape Cod Orca stays constantly drunk. If he's drinking to
Jeff's stupidity there's plenty enough to keep even Old Kennedy
plastered. Jeff is your typical brainwashed liberal. He feels good when
he pays taxes. Liberals have been taught they've got to pay taxes until
it hurts so the likes of Kennedy and Kerry can live the good life.

Wilbur Hubbard

* NE Sailboat wrote, On 3/12/2007 5:02 PM:
Jeff ,,, really man ... you are making a complete fool of yourself.

The poor in Mass can't afford a home. Why? Because the state won't let any
homes get built.

So, are you claiming everyone is living in tents?

Why do you think housing is so expensive here? Maybe its because
people want to live here.


You throw in the income tax, sales tax, excise tax, real estate tax, the

As I've already shown, these taxes are lower than the national average.

"Big Dig" corruption,,,,
Yes, well, it kept half the state employed for ten years. And now we
have a great system.


You are out of your F'n mind.

You're the one with the serious reality problem.


Mass sucks! It is corrupt. Why do you think Fidelity is leaving? The
employees I have spoken to can't get out of Mass
quick enough.

And yet, our departed Republican Gov is claiming he "turned the state
around." Are you claiming he made it worse?


You should consider therapy.

Why? Because my world is reality based?



I'm a joke,,,

we never could have guessed.

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
* Wilbur Hubbard wrote, On 3/12/2007 3:10 PM:

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
* NE Sailboat wrote, On 3/12/2007 11:02 AM:
Take a look at Massachusetts .. The Democrats have been running the
state forever.

And, because of that, we have a local tax burden lower than the
national average. We have one of the best school systems in the
country, with the highest ratings on all four of the the
standardized tests (reading and math, 4th and 8th grades) of any of
the states. Crime rates are well below the national average, with
one of the lowest murder rates in the country. Also, our suicide
rate is almost the lowest in the country. The major health care
systems are rated amongst the best in the country.


It sure looks like the Dems made a mess of things. I suppose its
best if you stayed well clear.


I guess you haven't read this: http://www.itepnet.org/wp2000/ma%20pr.pdf

Like I said, a rich ruling class and a poor working class groveling
at their feet. Socialism is alive and well in Taxachussetts.

Wilbur Hubbard

I guess you didn't read that report yourself. All it says is that the
most wealthy don't spend as much of their incomes on certain taxable
items, especially sales tax or excise tax items. And, the report is a
"standard form" that the web site offers for just about every state.
In fact, MA is actually quite fair, with an equal burden shared by 95%
of the state. And, the local tax on the poor is 20% lower than the
national average, one of the lowest in the country.

Compare this to your state. Florida is listed as the second most
regressive, with the local tax on the poor over 50% higher than
Massachusetts!

Its pretty clear you have neither the inclination nor ability to
actually determine the truth about even simple issues.

Get a clue, man. Florida has NO income tax. Zero, zip, nada. Sales taxes
are in line with most other states and there is no sales tax on groceries.

Wilbur Hubbard
But boy do they stick it to you with property taxes in insurance!

"krj" wrote in message
...
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
* Wilbur Hubbard wrote, On 3/12/2007 3:10 PM:

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
* NE Sailboat wrote, On 3/12/2007 11:02 AM:
Take a look at Massachusetts .. The Democrats have been running
the state forever.

And, because of that, we have a local tax burden lower than the
national average. We have one of the best school systems in the
country, with the highest ratings on all four of the the
standardized tests (reading and math, 4th and 8th grades) of any
of the states. Crime rates are well below the national average,
with one of the lowest murder rates in the country. Also, our
suicide rate is almost the lowest in the country. The major health
care systems are rated amongst the best in the country.


It sure looks like the Dems made a mess of things. I suppose its
best if you stayed well clear.


I guess you haven't read this:
http://www.itepnet.org/wp2000/ma%20pr.pdf

Like I said, a rich ruling class and a poor working class groveling
at their feet. Socialism is alive and well in Taxachussetts.

Wilbur Hubbard

I guess you didn't read that report yourself. All it says is that
the most wealthy don't spend as much of their incomes on certain
taxable items, especially sales tax or excise tax items. And, the
report is a "standard form" that the web site offers for just about
every state. In fact, MA is actually quite fair, with an equal
burden shared by 95% of the state. And, the local tax on the poor
is 20% lower than the national average, one of the lowest in the
country.

Compare this to your state. Florida is listed as the second most
regressive, with the local tax on the poor over 50% higher than
Massachusetts!

Its pretty clear you have neither the inclination nor ability to
actually determine the truth about even simple issues.

Get a clue, man. Florida has NO income tax. Zero, zip, nada. Sales
taxes are in line with most other states and there is no sales tax on
groceries.

Wilbur Hubbard
But boy do they stick it to you with property taxes in insurance!


So, is there anybody forcing a body to own property and to insure it?
No! Well, I thought so. As long as owning property is a choice then you
choose to pay property taxes and you choose to insure it. If you borrow
to buy then you're also forced to insure the property. It's as simple as
that. Now, if people were forced to own property then had to pay
property taxes and insurance, that would be a different story
altogether. It seems to me if there's any such thing as a fair tax then
property tax sure fits the bill.

It seems correct to me the more property and the more expensive property
you own you should be taxed on it on a percentage basis. Same percentage
whether your property is worth fifty grand or fifty million grand. But
there is help for the lower income folks. There is a 25K homestead
exemption soon to go up to 50K on which the property owner pays not one
thin dime. This helps out the low income people and sticks it to the
rich. Boy are the rich ****s ever complaining and lobbying AGAINST the
doubling of the homestead exemption. Seems like they don't mind
sticking it to the poor but when they have to pay for their mansions
they balk.

Wilbur Hubbard