"Rick Morel" wrote in message
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Well, the specs are direct from the manufacturer. As I recall from the
class "average" in that spec refers to the average under load, which
of course varies depending on the persons conductivity and where
he/she was hit by the barbs.

BTW 1 Joule = 1 Watt Second (how convenient!). So that .07 Joules is
.07 Watt Seconds with is .058 MA or 58 Micro Amps in a second, which
if delivered in 1.9 milliseconds per second would be 29.16 MA. Using
that logic. Of course the waveform is not a constant amplitude square
wave. I'm trying to remember, but it did have a specific waveform and
does vary.

None of this has anything to do with boats or cruising of course.

No, but it's almost as much fun as dragging a little old 80 year old
lady out of a car, throwing her onto the dirty concrete, popping her a
few times with the baton, spray her with OC pepper spray, then
Tasering her, all the while the unit cam is running so we can play it
back at the station over and over.

OF COURSE I'M KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!

Rick

Rick, one of the things that concerns me is from your previous post in which
you said that, during Tazer training, some of the cops made comments such as
"When are you going to turn it on?" while others were left screaming.
Doesn't this indicate that the impact of being Tazed is wholly subjective,
and that what might be a mild tickle to one person might be sheer agony to
another? Seems to me that by calling the Tazer a "safe" way to enforce
compliance from us mere Citizens, it is inevitable that some of us will, in
fact, be "tortured," and someone, sooner or later, is going to be killed.
But if it prevents a cop from getting bruised, I guess that's a small price
to pay.

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:29:34 -0600, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:

Rick, one of the things that concerns me is from your previous post in which
you said that, during Tazer training, some of the cops made comments such as
"When are you going to turn it on?" while others were left screaming.
Doesn't this indicate that the impact of being Tazed is wholly subjective,
and that what might be a mild tickle to one person might be sheer agony to
another? Seems to me that by calling the Tazer a "safe" way to enforce
compliance from us mere Citizens, it is inevitable that some of us will, in
fact, be "tortured," and someone, sooner or later, is going to be killed.
But if it prevents a cop from getting bruised, I guess that's a small price
to pay.

Well, pain is one of the concepts behind controlling the subject. In
fact there's a whole class on "pain compliance". In surveys of
officers going through the training every one of them, even the Tased
screaming ones (remember the screaming and flopping is a result of the
electrical stimulation, not from pain or concious effort), stated if
given a choice they would choose being Tased over OC spray. Man, Taser
me 10 times in a row instead of OC in the eyes!!! Now that is some BAD
stuff, but even with OC a very few are totally unaffected and some are
really hurting and suffer physical "burn" injury. OC is OleoCapasin
(SP?), or pepper in a solution. Some sprays are OC and CS (tear gas).
Let me see if I remember right. The hottest Jalpino pepper (I KNOW SP
is wrong) is 5,000 S Units; OTC spray for civilians is 500,000 SU and
law enforcement is up to 5,000,000 SU. (The latter two might be 50,000
and 500,000???) Anyway it's strong stuff.

Getting hit with a baton hurts pretty much too. Hurts some more than
others. BTW, batons are used only on specific strike pressure points
to disable, not to injure. A fist in the gut will disable some in
agonizing pain, while others will laugh it off. And everything in
between. Pain itself is wholly subjective. Thing is pain is a
byproduct of the Taser and it's designed to minimize that pain as much
as possible. We all wish there was a spray you could use from up to 30
feet or so that would instantly "knock out" someone painlessly for at
least 10 seconds. Maybe one day....

I've got to protest the term "tortured". Torture is deliberatly
inflicting extreme pain for gain, ie to get information, or for the
torturer's pleasure or for punishment. Torture is illegal in the US
and most places.

As above pain is a tool, however it's administered. A tool that is
only used when necessary and then only as much pain as required. The
Taser in most cases is the least painful. Recovery is instant after
the power goes off, unlike spray which requires decontaminating. It's
not used on "mere citizens", it's used on people who are presenting a
danger to the officer, others or themselves. Cops, just like everyone
else, don't like "getting bruised". Also getting broken, stabbed,
concussed, blunt trama'ed or killed. Our goal is to go home at the end
of shift.

Tasers have saved lives. Of the subject. In cases where an officer, in
multiple officer situations, had a Taser and the subject threatened
and/or acted upon deadly force. ie the subject had a knife or a
baseball bat or an axe. No Taser = gun and use of deadly force.

I'm not saying Tasers are perfect or ideal. They're good tools in the
proper situation, just as are all the tools of the trade. You'd no
more use a Taser on a falling down drunk than you'd use a storm jib on
a 5-knot day.

Gotta' go for a bit. I've got to hit work in the middle of the night
and do a bunch of overtime.

Rick

Rick Morel wrote in
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Gotta' go for a bit. I've got to hit work in the middle of the night
and do a bunch of overtime.


And, people, here is where we're headed.....compliments of FEMA

http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...entration+camp

Larry
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Larry wrote:
Rick Morel wrote in
:


Gotta' go for a bit. I've got to hit work in the middle of the night
and do a bunch of overtime.



And, people, here is where we're headed.....compliments of FEMA

http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...entration+camp

Larry

Black stealth helicopters....

xorbit wrote in :

Black stealth helicopters....



Oh? You've been watching the videos of the World Trade Center collapse,
too? They were flying around the top of the building, probably where the
explosives were set off from.

Larry
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEJmc...elated&search=

Larry wrote:

Oh? You've been watching the videos of the World Trade Center collapse,
too? They were flying around the top of the building, probably where the
explosives were set off from.

See, here's the problem. At Pearl Harbor, too
many people saw the Japanese airplanes, so it was
impossible for the conspiracy theorists to say we
attacked ourselves. The best they could come up
with was that we knew the Japanese were going to
do it and cynically withheld the information from
the Navy so that our people would be ****ed enough
to go to war (might be true but I doubt it). Of
course, it was convenient that Japan declared war
on us right after the attack, so there could be no
mistaking their intentions or who was responsible.

More people died in the 9/11/2001 attack on the US
mainland than at Pearl Harbor. Osama Bin Laden
and his compatriots declared war on the USA over
four years before, and had successfully bombed two
US embassies prior to 9/11. They even take credit
for the successful attack on their Jihadist web
sites, and promise more to come. Yet we are so
divided here in the USA that some people actually
believe that we attacked ourselves!! My nephew
believes this.

If you _really_ believe this crap, what are you
doing at your computer?? You should be making
preparations to flee to a third-world country, or
organizing an armed revolt.

People forget that the government is made up of
_lots_ of people who grew up here and went to
grade school and high school just like the rest of
us. Someone inside would "leak" the details if
things were as rotten as people believe. Hell,
Nixon couldn't even get away with a simple
burglary without "deep throat" outing him.

And before you assume that the insiders can be
controlled by fear of retribution, consider that
there are many fine people who still believe in
principle and are not afraid to die. I've had the
priviledge of working with some of them.

Don W.

Don W wrote in
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Larry wrote:

Oh? You've been watching the videos of the World Trade Center
collapse, too? They were flying around the top of the building,
probably where the explosives were set off from.

See, here's the problem. At Pearl Harbor, too
many people saw the Japanese airplanes, so it was
impossible for the conspiracy theorists to say we
attacked ourselves. The best they could come up
with was that we knew the Japanese were going to
do it and cynically withheld the information from
the Navy so that our people would be ****ed enough
to go to war (might be true but I doubt it). Of
course, it was convenient that Japan declared war
on us right after the attack, so there could be no
mistaking their intentions or who was responsible.

At Pearl Harbor, the Japanese DID attack. The conspiracy is back in DC
where we KNEW where and when the Japanese were going to attack, but
DIDN'T inform the brass in Hawaii with a simple phone call. America HAD
to have a REASON to join WW2. American people, until that day, were
ISOLATIONISTS. Americans still are. Pearl Harbor could have been
prevented, but that wouldn't have gotten America into the war in time to
save England. There are many books and great documentary films about the
cryptography of WW2 that clearly show and document that WASHINGTON KNEW.

More people died in the 9/11/2001 attack on the US
mainland than at Pearl Harbor. Osama Bin Laden
and his compatriots declared war on the USA over
four years before, and had successfully bombed two
US embassies prior to 9/11. They even take credit
for the successful attack on their Jihadist web
sites, and promise more to come. Yet we are so
divided here in the USA that some people actually
believe that we attacked ourselves!! My nephew
believes this.

I'll probably never be able to convince you, with your head in the sand
not wanting to even suspect you've been lied to, over and over, by your
government you still think you have some control over...that a bunch of
Arabs who COULD NOT FLY, armed with box cutters, could hijack 4 planes,
turn off the entire NORAD defense system, turn off all the surface to air
missile systems guarding the most heavily guarded building on the planet,
divert all the military jets away from the area, stand down the biggest
military defense department on the planet and, without knowing how to
fly, armed with box cutters, fly amazing feats of airmanship into
buildings, especially the Pentagram where the box cutter boys made the
whole airplane, seats, passengers, luggage, air freight and all just
disappear through a 16' wide hole.

How can you be so naive and stupid?


If you _really_ believe this crap, what are you
doing at your computer?? You should be making
preparations to flee to a third-world country, or
organizing an armed revolt.

My other point is, you cannot escape. The "New World Order",
headquartered in DC, isn't about America. No, that's not their domain.
Their domain is the world. You cannot flee. You are trapped. Noone can
resist its power when it has the resources of all the most powerful
military machines on the planet.


People forget that the government is made up of
_lots_ of people who grew up here and went to
grade school and high school just like the rest of
us. Someone inside would "leak" the details if
things were as rotten as people believe. Hell,
Nixon couldn't even get away with a simple
burglary without "deep throat" outing him.

Have you never seen the trail of bodies behind people like Bill Clinton?
Remember Vince Foster, probably the most interesting example.... JFK was
the most visible example. They don't care. He was supposed to do what
he was told, just like the other Presidents. His mistake, that cost him
his life, was not to play along.


And before you assume that the insiders can be
controlled by fear of retribution, consider that
there are many fine people who still believe in
principle and are not afraid to die. I've had the
priviledge of working with some of them.

Don W.


The entire system runs on FEAR. Religion runs on FEAR. Law Enforcement
runs on FEAR. Governments run on FEAR. Fear of burning in Hell, Fear of
being killed, Fear of the IRS makes people ante up even with no law, fear
of jail or worse.

Larry wrote:

xorbit wrote in :


Black stealth helicopters....




Oh? You've been watching the videos of the World Trade Center collapse,
too? They were flying around the top of the building, probably where the
explosives were set off from.

Larry

Lots of black stealth helicopters....

"KLC Lewis" wrote in
et:

Seems to me that by calling the Tazer a "safe" way to enforce
compliance from us mere Citizens, it is inevitable that some of us
will, in fact, be "tortured," and someone, sooner or later, is going
to be killed.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...t_x.htm?csp=34
"PHOENIX (AP) — There were 103 Taser stun gun-related deaths in the
United States and Canada between June 2001 and March 2005, according to
an Amnesty International report released Friday.
In the first three months of this year, there were 13 Taser-related
deaths — compared with six during the same period last year, the report
said.

The stun guns have been touted as less lethal than other ways of subduing
combative people in high-risk situations, but Tasers have come under
increasing scrutiny as a number of deaths have been blamed, at least
partially, on the devices.

"No confrontation is risk free. The Taser is the safest way to end
violent confrontations for law enforcement," Taser International Inc.
President Tom Smith said Thursday."

http://www.azcentral.com/specials/sp...les/0718taser-
main18.html
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/law/j...guns_9-15.html
http://www.democracynow.org/article..../02/25/1455244

Oh, hell, put Taser Deaths into Google and see for yourselves.
How many hundreds do the cops have to kill before it becomes a "lethal
weapon"?

Larry
--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEJmc...elated&search=

"Larry" wrote in message
...
"KLC Lewis" wrote in
et:

Seems to me that by calling the Tazer a "safe" way to enforce
compliance from us mere Citizens, it is inevitable that some of us
will, in fact, be "tortured," and someone, sooner or later, is going
to be killed.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...t_x.htm?csp=34
"PHOENIX (AP) — There were 103 Taser stun gun-related deaths in the
United States and Canada between June 2001 and March 2005, according to
an Amnesty International report released Friday.
In the first three months of this year, there were 13 Taser-related
deaths — compared with six during the same period last year, the report
said.

The stun guns have been touted as less lethal than other ways of subduing
combative people in high-risk situations, but Tasers have come under
increasing scrutiny as a number of deaths have been blamed, at least
partially, on the devices.

"No confrontation is risk free. The Taser is the safest way to end
violent confrontations for law enforcement," Taser International Inc.
President Tom Smith said Thursday."

http://www.azcentral.com/specials/sp...les/0718taser-
main18.html
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/law/j...guns_9-15.html
http://www.democracynow.org/article..../02/25/1455244

Oh, hell, put Taser Deaths into Google and see for yourselves.
How many hundreds do the cops have to kill before it becomes a "lethal
weapon"?

Larry
--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEJmc...elated&search=

If the cops say it's "the safest way to end violent confrontations FOR LAW
ENFORCEMENT," then that's gotta be true. Especially in a Police State.

Thanks for the Aaron Russo link, by the way. That's the first time I've ever
watched an entire film on YouTube, but worth every minute of it.