Is the Olin gun/case/flares kit adequate ?

Thank you.
--
Courtney Thomas
s/v Mutiny
lying Oriental, NC

I have found that flare gun kits are not adequate for distress. I went with
the MSD-1. I like hand held parachute flares over the gun style.
Perfect for when you are offshore 50 miles from coastline, this flare kit
also includes Polybottle so that you can store the contents of the kit, with
room for other items such as cell phone, camera, or wallet. Kit Includes: 6
USCG Approved Red Hand Distress Flares,3 USCG Approved Red Hand Held
Parachute Flares,3 USCG Approved 3 Minute Floating Orange Smoke Signals, 1
Yellow Wide Mouth Polybottle Please Note: Freight Charge $50.00 Hazmat Plus
Federal Express Overnight Rates apply.
Price: $ 329.95

ORC also makes a great kit.

Kit Includes:4 USCG Approved Red Hand Distress Flares,4 USCG Approved Red
Hand Held Parachute Flares,4 Collision Warning White Hand Flares,2 USCG
Approved 3 Minute Floating Orange Smoke Signals 1 Yellow Wide Mouth
Polybottle Please Note: Freight Charge $50.00 Hazmat Plus Federal Express
Overnight Rates apply.

Price: $ 289.95

Federal Regulations

Area Devices Required
Ocean, greater than 50 miles from coastline 3 Parachute flares,
approval service 46 CFR 160.136; plus 6 hand flares, approval series 46 CFR
160.121; plus 3 smoke signals, approval series 46 CFR 160.122.
Ocean, 3-50 miles from the coastline; or more than 3 miles from the
coastline on the Great Lakes 3 Parachute flares approval series 46 CFR
160.136, or 160.036; plus 6 hand flares, approval series 46 CFR 160.121 or
160.021; plus 3 smoke signals, approval series 46 CFR 160.122, 160.022, or
160.037.
Coastal waters, excluding the Great Lakes; or within 3 miles of the
coastline on the Great Lakes 3 Approved flares, and 3 approved smoke
signals. If flares are carried, the same 3 flares may be counted toward both
the day and night requirement.



Jack

"Courtney Thomas" wrote in message
...
Is the Olin gun/case/flares kit adequate ?

Thank you.
--
Courtney Thomas
s/v Mutiny
lying Oriental, NC

I carry the Olin 25mm kit. Seems to be adequate, but I also carry \handheld
parachute flare, smoke canisters, as well. The 25mm gun will also accept the
16ga
shotgun shell adapter..

Doug
s/v Callista

"Courtney Thomas" wrote in message
...
Is the Olin gun/case/flares kit adequate ?

Thank you.
--
Courtney Thomas
s/v Mutiny
lying Oriental, NC

I have just never like the plastic guns for shooting off flares. I have had
a few miss fires and they don't go up as high as hand held ones. I have
also found that the gun cases are not water proof. When it comes to my
safety I rely on hand held flares. I have never had problem with them. Yes
they are more expensive then a flare gun kit. But when it comes to survival
I prefer to have the best.

Jack
Oyster 56 still in the pacific.

"Courtney Thomas" wrote in message
...
Jack,

Having no experience with either, why do you prefer the handheld ?

Also, what is a source(s) for flare guns that are adequate, please ?

I have some interest in the flare guns as well for possible personal
protection since firearms are prohibited, basically.

Appreciatively,

Courtney



Jack Rye wrote:
I have found that flare gun kits are not adequate for distress. I went
with
the MSD-1. I like hand held parachute flares over the gun style.
Perfect for when you are offshore 50 miles from coastline, this flare
kit
also includes Polybottle so that you can store the contents of the kit,
with
room for other items such as cell phone, camera, or wallet. Kit
Includes: 6
USCG Approved Red Hand Distress Flares,3 USCG Approved Red Hand Held
Parachute Flares,3 USCG Approved 3 Minute Floating Orange Smoke Signals,
1
Yellow Wide Mouth Polybottle Please Note: Freight Charge $50.00 Hazmat
Plus
Federal Express Overnight Rates apply.
Price: $ 329.95

ORC also makes a great kit.

Kit Includes:4 USCG Approved Red Hand Distress Flares,4 USCG Approved
Red
Hand Held Parachute Flares,4 Collision Warning White Hand Flares,2 USCG
Approved 3 Minute Floating Orange Smoke Signals 1 Yellow Wide Mouth
Polybottle Please Note: Freight Charge $50.00 Hazmat Plus Federal
Express
Overnight Rates apply.

Price: $ 289.95

Federal Regulations

Area Devices Required
Ocean, greater than 50 miles from coastline 3 Parachute flares,
approval service 46 CFR 160.136; plus 6 hand flares, approval series 46
CFR
160.121; plus 3 smoke signals, approval series 46 CFR 160.122.
Ocean, 3-50 miles from the coastline; or more than 3 miles from
the
coastline on the Great Lakes 3 Parachute flares approval series 46 CFR
160.136, or 160.036; plus 6 hand flares, approval series 46 CFR 160.121
or
160.021; plus 3 smoke signals, approval series 46 CFR 160.122, 160.022,
or
160.037.
Coastal waters, excluding the Great Lakes; or within 3 miles of
the
coastline on the Great Lakes 3 Approved flares, and 3 approved smoke
signals. If flares are carried, the same 3 flares may be counted toward
both
the day and night requirement.



Jack

"Courtney Thomas" wrote in message
...

Is the Olin gun/case/flares kit adequate ?

Thank you.
--
Courtney Thomas
s/v Mutiny
lying Oriental, NC





--
Courtney Thomas
s/v Mutiny
lying Oriental, NC

It's been over a year since I looked at them, I don't remember
the website that was carrying them. Just do a few searches.
You might try lookiing through the old messages from this newsgroup.
There has been quite a bit of discussion about them in the past. I'll
poke around a bit asnd see if I can rediscover them.

Doug

ps. I have been told that flareguns are poor for self defense. Just
bounce off of people.

"Courtney Thomas" wrote in message
...
Where'd you buy said items ?

Thank you.

Doug Dotson wrote:
I carry the Olin 25mm kit. Seems to be adequate, but I also carry
\handheld
parachute flare, smoke canisters, as well. The 25mm gun will also accept
the
16ga
shotgun shell adapter..

Doug
s/v Callista

"Courtney Thomas" wrote in message
...

Is the Olin gun/case/flares kit adequate ?

Thank you.
--
Courtney Thomas
s/v Mutiny
lying Oriental, NC





--
Courtney Thomas
s/v Mutiny
lying Oriental, NC

Jack,

Having no experience with either, why do you prefer the handheld ?

Also, what is a source(s) for flare guns that are adequate, please ?

I have some interest in the flare guns as well for possible personal
protection since firearms are prohibited, basically.

Appreciatively,

Courtney



Jack Rye wrote:
I have found that flare gun kits are not adequate for distress. I went with
the MSD-1. I like hand held parachute flares over the gun style.
Perfect for when you are offshore 50 miles from coastline, this flare kit
also includes Polybottle so that you can store the contents of the kit, with
room for other items such as cell phone, camera, or wallet. Kit Includes: 6
USCG Approved Red Hand Distress Flares,3 USCG Approved Red Hand Held
Parachute Flares,3 USCG Approved 3 Minute Floating Orange Smoke Signals, 1
Yellow Wide Mouth Polybottle Please Note: Freight Charge $50.00 Hazmat Plus
Federal Express Overnight Rates apply.
Price: $ 329.95

ORC also makes a great kit.

Kit Includes:4 USCG Approved Red Hand Distress Flares,4 USCG Approved Red
Hand Held Parachute Flares,4 Collision Warning White Hand Flares,2 USCG
Approved 3 Minute Floating Orange Smoke Signals 1 Yellow Wide Mouth
Polybottle Please Note: Freight Charge $50.00 Hazmat Plus Federal Express
Overnight Rates apply.

Price: $ 289.95

Federal Regulations

Area Devices Required
Ocean, greater than 50 miles from coastline 3 Parachute flares,
approval service 46 CFR 160.136; plus 6 hand flares, approval series 46 CFR
160.121; plus 3 smoke signals, approval series 46 CFR 160.122.
Ocean, 3-50 miles from the coastline; or more than 3 miles from the
coastline on the Great Lakes 3 Parachute flares approval series 46 CFR
160.136, or 160.036; plus 6 hand flares, approval series 46 CFR 160.121 or
160.021; plus 3 smoke signals, approval series 46 CFR 160.122, 160.022, or
160.037.
Coastal waters, excluding the Great Lakes; or within 3 miles of the
coastline on the Great Lakes 3 Approved flares, and 3 approved smoke
signals. If flares are carried, the same 3 flares may be counted toward both
the day and night requirement.



Jack

"Courtney Thomas" wrote in message
...

Is the Olin gun/case/flares kit adequate ?

Thank you.
--
Courtney Thomas
s/v Mutiny
lying Oriental, NC





--
Courtney Thomas
s/v Mutiny
lying Oriental, NC

Where'd you buy said items ?

Thank you.

Doug Dotson wrote:
I carry the Olin 25mm kit. Seems to be adequate, but I also carry \handheld
parachute flare, smoke canisters, as well. The 25mm gun will also accept the
16ga
shotgun shell adapter..

Doug
s/v Callista

"Courtney Thomas" wrote in message
...

Is the Olin gun/case/flares kit adequate ?

Thank you.
--
Courtney Thomas
s/v Mutiny
lying Oriental, NC





--
Courtney Thomas
s/v Mutiny
lying Oriental, NC

Why don't you call up the federal regulators. Where I got the info from
Federal Regulations
Jack
btw did you ever figure it out Roger Clinton

"WaIIy" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:24:04 -0700, "Jack Rye"
.# wrote:

Ocean, 3-50 miles from the coastline; or more than 3 miles from the
coastline on the Great Lakes 3 Parachute flares approval series 46 CFR
160.136, or 160.036; plus 6 hand flares, approval series 46 CFR 160.121
or
160.021; plus 3 smoke signals, approval series 46 CFR 160.122, 160.022,
or
160.037.

Are you saying for the Great Lakes a vessel of , say, 30ft must carry

3 Parachute flares
6 hand flares
6 smoke signals

Maybe I'm reading this wrong.

"Doug Dotson" wrote in message ...
I carry the Olin 25mm kit. Seems to be adequate, but I also carry \handheld
parachute flare, smoke canisters, as well. The 25mm gun will also accept the
16ga
shotgun shell adapter..

Doug
s/v Callista

"Courtney Thomas" wrote in message
...
Is the Olin gun/case/flares kit adequate ?

Thank you.
--
Courtney Thomas
s/v Mutiny
lying Oriental, NC




Last new years, I decided to fire off many of my old flares miles from
the water. It was a rainy night so it was a reasonable test.

ALL of the Olin 12 guage flares worked, even those 10 years out of
date.

ALL OF THE OLIN HAND HELD FLARES FAILED TO LIGHT, even those that were
current

All of the pen type skyblazer flares worked (2 yrs out of date)

All of the Pains-Wessex hand helds worked and were WAAAAAAAAAAY
brighter than the Olins when I finally ignited the Olins with a torch.

My only Pains Wessex parachute flare fired but it was difficult to
figger out with rain in my eyes (5 years out of date). Maybe buy 3
pen type Skyblazers and put em in your abandon ship stuff.

SO: I would go with maybe 6 25 mm flares, and a bunch of cheaper 12
guage flares. DONT BUY THE OLIN HAND HELDS, get the Pains Wessex
ones.

I carry the Olin 25mm kit. Seems to be adequate, but I also carry \handheld
parachute flare, smoke canisters, as well. The 25mm gun will also accept the
16ga
shotgun shell adapter..

Where do I find a 16 gauge adapter? Who makes it?
Thanks.

ALL OF THE OLIN HAND HELD FLARES FAILED TO LIGHT, even those that were
current

All of the pen type skyblazer flares worked (2 yrs out of date)

All of the Pains-Wessex hand helds worked and were WAAAAAAAAAAY
brighter than the Olins when I finally ignited the Olins with a torch.

My only Pains Wessex parachute flare fired but it was difficult to
figger out with rain in my eyes (5 years out of date). Maybe buy 3
pen type Skyblazers and put em in your abandon ship stuff.

SO: I would go with maybe 6 25 mm flares, and a bunch of cheaper 12
guage flares. DONT BUY THE OLIN HAND HELDS, get the Pains Wessex
ones.

Thanks for the report. I appreciate the info. I carry a 25mm gun
and have PinPoint handheld flares. I also have a 12 gauge flare gun
with lots of out dated flares. Before going offshore, I will have
plenty of parachute flares and some smoke signals.