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Good set of photos of Ken Barnes' damaged boat and rescue over at CBS.
http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2007...y2332917.shtml Very nice looking boat. Looks like it should have done better but it's a very tough patch of ocean. One of those fishing boats would do well to tow it in. -- Roger Long |
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Roger ,, I took a look at this . I don't know Ken Barnes, or anything about
Ken Barnes. But ... when I looked at the pictures, I kept thinking why isn't the Captain ( Ken ) trying to get his boat to some port? Couldn't he rig some sort of sail? Or, couldn't he get some help doing some type of repair on site? It just doesn't seem right for some reason. This boat was equipped to sail around the world. I'm assuming that it is a very well constructed, well equipped, strong, yacht. Am I missing something? Also,, what of this Ken Barnes. Is he a very able sailor? Has he done other long trips? Tell me where I am off course. --------------------------------- "Roger Long" wrote in message ... Good set of photos of Ken Barnes' damaged boat and rescue over at CBS. http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2007...y2332917.shtml Very nice looking boat. Looks like it should have done better but it's a very tough patch of ocean. One of those fishing boats would do well to tow it in. -- Roger Long |
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NE Sailboat wrote:
Roger ,, I took a look at this . I don't know Ken Barnes, or anything about Ken Barnes. But ... when I looked at the pictures, I kept thinking why isn't the Captain ( Ken ) trying to get his boat to some port? Couldn't he rig some sort of sail? Or, couldn't he get some help doing some type of repair on site? It just doesn't seem right for some reason. This boat was equipped to sail around the world. I'm assuming that it is a very well constructed, well equipped, strong, yacht. Am I missing something? Also,, what of this Ken Barnes. Is he a very able sailor? Has he done other long trips? Tell me where I am off course. --------------------------------- "Roger Long" wrote in message ... Good set of photos of Ken Barnes' damaged boat and rescue over at CBS. http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2007...y2332917.shtml Very nice looking boat. Looks like it should have done better but it's a very tough patch of ocean. One of those fishing boats would do well to tow it in. -- Roger Long With masts broken off, steering gone, flooding over a meter deep, hatches blown off, food soaked with salt water, engine flooded, batteries covered with salt water, no radio, just how do you propose to get this boat to port by yourself? krj |
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With masts broken off, steering gone,
Plus... I believe that I read somewhere that he had a gash in his thigh. Course... like a lot of others... I sure will be interested in reading his account of what led up to the demise of his vessel. Just maybe... his alleged injury ocurred at or just prior to the time of his having to deal with a severe weather situation. Best regards Bill |
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wrote
I sure will be interested in reading his account of what led up to the demise of his vessel. There's an audio file here where he describes what happened: http://www.kensolo.com/ |
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"With masts broken off, steering gone, flooding over a meter deep, hatches
blown off, food soaked with salt water, engine flooded, batteries covered with salt water, no radio, just how do you propose to get this boat to port by yourself?" == Point it in that direction! Yves Gelinas? Ever hear of him? His Alberg 30 suffered a roll over in the southern ocean. He made it to port. And he is one of many; when disaster struck these men and a couple of women didn't leave their ship. They did what men who go out on the sea have been doing since ??? ,,, got the boat back together as best they could and headed for land. How on earth did this fellow expect to sail around the world? There is something about this whole story that doesn't pass the smell test. If I am totally wrong , so be it. But, I heard this story on the news, I had never heard of the sailor before, didn't know anything about the race, or whatever he was participating in. Then I see a picture of this absolutely beautiful yacht all banged up... but still looking like it is floating ok ... and I am asking myself... If this boat was built to go around the world, to take on the worst mother nature could hand out, how did it end up like this. And if this sailor is one of the elite who can take on the challenge of single handing around the world, wouldn't it make sense that he would never leave his ship unless it was upside down, or sinking? I don't know ... just seems weird to me. "krj" wrote in message . .. NE Sailboat wrote: Roger ,, I took a look at this . I don't know Ken Barnes, or anything about Ken Barnes. But ... when I looked at the pictures, I kept thinking why isn't the Captain ( Ken ) trying to get his boat to some port? Couldn't he rig some sort of sail? Or, couldn't he get some help doing some type of repair on site? It just doesn't seem right for some reason. This boat was equipped to sail around the world. I'm assuming that it is a very well constructed, well equipped, strong, yacht. Am I missing something? Also,, what of this Ken Barnes. Is he a very able sailor? Has he done other long trips? Tell me where I am off course. --------------------------------- "Roger Long" wrote in message ... Good set of photos of Ken Barnes' damaged boat and rescue over at CBS. http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2007...y2332917.shtml Very nice looking boat. Looks like it should have done better but it's a very tough patch of ocean. One of those fishing boats would do well to tow it in. -- Roger Long With masts broken off, steering gone, flooding over a meter deep, hatches blown off, food soaked with salt water, engine flooded, batteries covered with salt water, no radio, just how do you propose to get this boat to port by yourself? krj |
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This from the CBS story .. in the comments section.
Comments This guy should have to pay all costs associated with his rescue. I tired about morons putting themselves in danger who expect others to put themselves at risk if they get into trouble. I'm also tired of their famalies getting on TV, crying about why everything isn't being done to save their particular idiot. They should have stopped the idiot before he left. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3 days isn't all that bad... it's not like he was out there a month or something... what's the big deal???? "Roger Long" wrote in message ... Good set of photos of Ken Barnes' damaged boat and rescue over at CBS. http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2007...y2332917.shtml Very nice looking boat. Looks like it should have done better but it's a very tough patch of ocean. One of those fishing boats would do well to tow it in. -- Roger Long |
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It is reported at the end of the CBS story that he had no gash. Seems like
the gash story was something his family dreamed up. == wrote in message ups.com... With masts broken off, steering gone, Plus... I believe that I read somewhere that he had a gash in his thigh. Course... like a lot of others... I sure will be interested in reading his account of what led up to the demise of his vessel. Just maybe... his alleged injury ocurred at or just prior to the time of his having to deal with a severe weather situation. Best regards Bill |
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On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 02:35:36 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote: if this sailor is one of the elite who can take on the challenge of single handing around the world I think the evidence is to the contrary on that one. It's possible that he just got unlucky and was in the wrong place at the wrong time but that is being charitable. More likely he was mentally unprepared for the challenge of avoiding and surviving storms. The storms are out there. They happen all the time, and if they find you, they will also find your weak spots. |
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A signal from Barnes' emergency position indicating radio beacon, or EPIRB, was later received, and U.S. Coast Guard and Chilean authorities started rescue operations. A Chilean aircraft was expected to home in on the beacon Wednesday afternoon and contact Barnes. The aircraft would also drop survival gear -- life rafts or survival suits -- if needed. The nearest vessel, about 150 miles away, was motoring toward the site and was expected to reach Barnes within about 24 hours. A cargo vessel also was en route and expected to arrive about the same time. Chambers said Barnes sounded good, "but then he was crying too; so he's upset about having to leave the boat at some point." Barnes told her the boat was not sinking, just at the whimsy of the wind and waves, and he was trying to save the battery in his satellite phone to make contact with Chilean authorities. "I don't care about the boat," she told Barnes, a father of three. "I just want you home." ========= This from another news story. So, the boat was not sinking. This guy was way in over his head. === "Roger Long" wrote in message ... Good set of photos of Ken Barnes' damaged boat and rescue over at CBS. http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2007...y2332917.shtml Very nice looking boat. Looks like it should have done better but it's a very tough patch of ocean. One of those fishing boats would do well to tow it in. -- Roger Long |
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Roger ,, after reading the news stories ,, I'd be doing just about anything
to get my hands on this boat.. Would this be a sweet present.. Nice 44 footer. For FREE. I'd name it : "Finders Keepers". And I wouldn't be off sailing around the world ... nope; off to Antigua to sail around the Carribean. YES! ====== "Roger Long" wrote in message ... Good set of photos of Ken Barnes' damaged boat and rescue over at CBS. http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2007...y2332917.shtml Very nice looking boat. Looks like it should have done better but it's a very tough patch of ocean. One of those fishing boats would do well to tow it in. -- Roger Long |
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"Roger Long" wrote in news:459edd58$0$16948
: Very nice looking boat. There was a BOAT in those pictures? All I saw was beautiful blondes with bare bellies atop really tight stretch denim hiphuggers! I'll have to go look again and see if I can spot a sailboat in there, somewhere. What the hell would any guy surrounded by such beautiful women want on a damned sailboat, by himself for months and months, in total isolation, facing death in the S of Magellan? Does it take him that long to RECHARGE??! I'm glad he's ok....STUPID but OK... Those jeans are wonderful. Mankinds owes the inventor of stretch denim more than it could ever repay....(c; |
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"Larry" wrote in message ... "Roger Long" wrote in news:459edd58$0$16948 : Very nice looking boat. There was a BOAT in those pictures? All I saw was beautiful blondes with bare bellies atop really tight stretch denim hiphuggers! I'll have to go look again and see if I can spot a sailboat in there, somewhere. snip Those jeans are wonderful. Mankinds owes the inventor of stretch denim more than it could ever repay....(c; For sure..that's what makes the world go 'round. |
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Larry,, what news story were you looking at? On the CBS site, it showed the
boat and the two daughters, and girlfriend but they were sitting down .. This whole story is so strange. Here is this guy with the beautiful girlfriend, and he obviously has some money ... so what does he decide to do? Go off and destroy a yacht. Ya think maybe if he had just taken the boat to Antigua he would be a whole lot happier. ===== I wonder if he wasn't looking for a way out. You know,, like he let the project get so big that he had to leave but then he was just waiting for the right strorm to "bail". == "Larry" wrote in message ... "Roger Long" wrote in news:459edd58$0$16948 : Very nice looking boat. There was a BOAT in those pictures? All I saw was beautiful blondes with bare bellies atop really tight stretch denim hiphuggers! I'll have to go look again and see if I can spot a sailboat in there, somewhere. What the hell would any guy surrounded by such beautiful women want on a damned sailboat, by himself for months and months, in total isolation, facing death in the S of Magellan? Does it take him that long to RECHARGE??! I'm glad he's ok....STUPID but OK... Those jeans are wonderful. Mankinds owes the inventor of stretch denim more than it could ever repay....(c; |
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NE Sailboat wrote:
"With masts broken off, steering gone, flooding over a meter deep, hatches blown off, food soaked with salt water, engine flooded, batteries covered with salt water, no radio, just how do you propose to get this boat to port by yourself?" == Point it in that direction! Yves Gelinas? Ever hear of him? His Alberg 30 suffered a roll over in the southern ocean. He made it to port. And he is one of many; when disaster struck these men and a couple of women didn't leave their ship. They did what men who go out on the sea have been doing since ??? ,,, got the boat back together as best they could and headed for land. How on earth did this fellow expect to sail around the world? There is something about this whole story that doesn't pass the smell test. If I am totally wrong , so be it. But, I heard this story on the news, I had never heard of the sailor before, didn't know anything about the race, or whatever he was participating in. Then I see a picture of this absolutely beautiful yacht all banged up... but still looking like it is floating ok ... and I am asking myself... If this boat was built to go around the world, to take on the worst mother nature could hand out, how did it end up like this. And if this sailor is one of the elite who can take on the challenge of single handing around the world, wouldn't it make sense that he would never leave his ship unless it was upside down, or sinking? I don't know ... just seems weird to me. "krj" wrote in message . .. NE Sailboat wrote: Roger ,, I took a look at this . I don't know Ken Barnes, or anything about Ken Barnes. But ... when I looked at the pictures, I kept thinking why isn't the Captain ( Ken ) trying to get his boat to some port? Couldn't he rig some sort of sail? Or, couldn't he get some help doing some type of repair on site? It just doesn't seem right for some reason. This boat was equipped to sail around the world. I'm assuming that it is a very well constructed, well equipped, strong, yacht. Am I missing something? Also,, what of this Ken Barnes. Is he a very able sailor? Has he done other long trips? Tell me where I am off course. --------------------------------- "Roger Long" wrote in message ... Good set of photos of Ken Barnes' damaged boat and rescue over at CBS. http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2007...y2332917.shtml Very nice looking boat. Looks like it should have done better but it's a very tough patch of ocean. One of those fishing boats would do well to tow it in. -- Roger Long With masts broken off, steering gone, flooding over a meter deep, hatches blown off, food soaked with salt water, engine flooded, batteries covered with salt water, no radio, just how do you propose to get this boat to port by yourself? krj I don't know but I'm guessing physical and mental exhaustion may have played a role here. Gordon |
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Gogarty wrote:
The vessel looks totally shattered from the deck line up. She must have been swept. Swept doesn't do that kind of damage. A boat of the quality that one appears to be would have survived a lot of sweeping. What kills boats in these latitudes and waves of this size (probably 20 feet since he said 40) is being dropped off the steep face of ones that are nearly breaking. Imagine your boat picked up by a crane 15 - 20 feet and rolled so the masts are pointed downwards. Then just let it go. That's the kind of impact we're talking about. The rig seldom survives and the major damage is always on the downward side. People will probably respond that they have been out in 20 foot seas many times and nothing like this happend. It's the shape of big wave trains running in wide open water with even bigger swells under them that is more dangerous than just the height. If most of the waves he was in were 20 feet, the one that took his rig out still could have been over 40. -- Roger Long |
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Second guess? The fellow abandoned ship? He left his yacht floating in the Atlantic. This is someone who was prepared to sail around the world ... NON STOP! Duh ??????? Captain Joshua Slocum: A Time-line a.. Born February 20, 1844, in Annapolis County, Nova Scotia, by the Bay of Fundy. b.. Ran away at age of 14 to be a cook on a fishing schooner, but returned home. c.. Left home for good at 16 (1860) when his mother died, shipped as ordinary seaman on deep-water sailing ships, merchant vessels to Europe and the U.S. d.. Obtained his first command on the California coast in 1869, and sailed for 13 years out of San Francisco to China, Australia, the Spice Islands, and Japan. e.. Married an American girl, Virginia Albertina Walker, on January 31, 1871, at Sydney, Australia. f.. Built a steamer for a British architect in Subic Bay, P.I., in 1874. g.. Bought shares in and commanded the three-skysailyard ship Northern Light in 1882, considered at the time by many to be the finest American ship afloat. h.. Sold the Northern Light and bought the bark Aquidneck in 1884. In the same year, his wife Virginia died (July 25) and was buried in Buenos Aires. i.. Married Henrietta M. Elliott ("Hettie") in 1886. j.. Made several voyages on the Aquidneck before she was lost in 1887 on a sand bank off the coast of Brazil. k.. The Libergade, a 35-foot sailing canoe, built after the stranding; Slocum sails with Hettie and his oldest and youngest sons to Washington, D.C., 5000 miles away. l.. Voyage of the Liberdade published in 1890 at Slocum's expense. m.. In 1892, a friend, Captain Eben Pierce, offers Slocum a ship that "wants some repairs" Slocum goes to Fairhaven, MA to find that the "ship" is a rotting old oyster sloop propped up in a field. It is the Spray. n.. Slocum prints Voyage of the Destroyer from New York to Brazil in 1893, again at his own expense. o.. Slocum departs from Boston Harbor, MA on his famous circumnavigation on April 24, 1895, at the age of 51, in the rebuilt 37-foot sloop Spray. Click for Map of his Journey p.. Slocum returns, sailing into Newport, RI, on June 27, 1898 in his tiny sloop Spray and after single-handedly sailing around the world , a passage of 46,000 miles. This historic achievement made him the patron saint of small-boat voyagers, navigators and adventurers all over the world. q.. Sailing Alone Around The World published in book form in 1900 by The Century Company. It describes his experiences on this adventurous voyage and became an instant best seller. It has been translated into many languages, and is still in print today. r.. Slocum buys first home on land in 1902, a farm on the island of Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts. s.. Slocum sails each winter to the tropics, 1905 - 1906, returning to New England in the summer. t.. On November 14th of 1909, at the age of 65, he set out on another lone voyage to South America leaving from Vineyard Haven on Martha's Vineyard, but was never heard from again. So, here is an experienced sailor, age 65, off on his own into the early winter of 1909. He has nowhere near the vessel Mr Barnes has. He is an experienced Captain, having sailed around the world by himself... the first to do this. And you have the &*%$# to use Slocum's name to justify the total nonsense of some dimwit from California who ended up jumping ship when things got rough? Do you think Captain Joshua Slocum would have abondoned his vessel off the coast of Chile if it was afloat? Please ??? You do yourself an injustice by comparing a stooge to one of the great single handed sailors who ever put out to sea. One last thing: how do you know Captain Slocum didn't make port? Because he wasn't heard from again? My guess? He sailed back to a previous lover. Spent his days in the S Pacific onboard is beloved Spray. Legend has it that the Spary is still afloat. She sails each year in the hearts and minds of true sailors, those who would never abandon their ship. Raise a toast to a true Captain, a true adventurer, Captain Joshua Slocum. "Gogarty" wrote in message ... Awfully easy to second guess and armchair criticize. There is way too much of that going on here. If I recall correctly, Joshua Slocum himself set off on another circumnavigation and was never heard from again. |
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"Roger Long" wrote in message
... Gogarty wrote: The vessel looks totally shattered from the deck line up. She must have been swept. Swept doesn't do that kind of damage. A boat of the quality that one appears to be would have survived a lot of sweeping. What kills boats in these latitudes and waves of this size (probably 20 feet since he said 40) is being dropped off the steep face of ones that are nearly breaking. Imagine your boat picked up by a crane 15 - 20 feet and rolled so the masts are pointed downwards. Then just let it go. That's the kind of impact we're talking about. The rig seldom survives and the major damage is always on the downward side. People will probably respond that they have been out in 20 foot seas many times and nothing like this happend. It's the shape of big wave trains running in wide open water with even bigger swells under them that is more dangerous than just the height. If most of the waves he was in were 20 feet, the one that took his rig out still could have been over 40. -- Roger Long And, there's the washing machine effect of being rolled over and over and over. Not something anyone will put up with for very long before they want out. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"NE Sailboat" wrote in message news:RLQnh.510$3L1.473@trndny03... snip.. One last thing: how do you know Captain Slocum didn't make port? Because he wasn't heard from again? My guess? He sailed back to a previous lover. Spent his days in the S Pacific onboard is beloved Spray. Legend has it that the Spary is still afloat. She sails each year in the hearts and minds of true sailors, those who would never abandon their ship. Raise a toast to a true Captain, a true adventurer, Captain Joshua Slocum. The days of iron men and wooden ships. No comparison to todays playboy sailors and their expensive toys. |
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I listened to the phone interview on his web site last night.
Had to rig up some powered speakers to hear it all. Basically he said the wind was 35 knots on the starboard quarter. Then a sudden big blow caused the boat to round up - square across the waves - and she rolled. Perhaps all the way over. Now I won't claim to any great blue water experience, having been out of sight of land only once in the Caribbean. But my immediate question was how much sail was up at the time? I would think that a single handed sailor would, in deference to survival, take a very conservative approach. Reef early - and deep. My impressions from his web site is that he thought the boat could take anything Mother Nature dished out and was cracking on. Maybe I'm reading too much from between the lines? Richard Spirit |
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"NE Sailboat" wrote in
news:0%Onh.3290$1h.1467@trndny09: Ya think maybe if he had just taken the boat to Antigua he would be a whole lot happier. With THEM on the boat...Amen, Brother, Amen! -- http://www.epic.org/privacy/rfid/verichip.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VeriChip http://www.verichipcorp.com/ Tracked like a dog, every license/product/tax. Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name... |
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"NE Sailboat" wrote in
news:RLQnh.510$3L1.473@trndny03: Second guess? The fellow abandoned ship? He left his yacht floating in the Atlantic. I'm wondering about the disabled engine it talked about. Look at the pictures. The waterline is clearly visible, so the boat isn't flooded at all. Wonder why his engine doesn't run? It doesn't say that I can find. A sailboat without a mast is called a "trawler"...(c; I know someone who bought a nice sloop that had become dismasted. He took it into the boatyard, tore off all the sail rigging and changed out to a 4-cyl Yanmar and bigger prop with a nicer bearing. They cut about half the keel off it, but left plenty to keep it from rolling, gaining about 4000 pounds of "payload" that used to hang under it for sailing. It's a really nice power trawler for little of nothing in money...about 40'. He gets about 8 knots for about a gallon/hour...10 mpg. That's cheap boating in a 40' boat. With 50hp, he has plenty of reserve power without eating a hole in the fuel tanks. An extra belt drives a 10KW, self-exciting 115/230VAC Chinese alternator he bought from Harbor Freight: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=93946 His doesn't have the PTO gears and big power box....$400. Sail maintenance is lots cheaper....change the oil every 100 hours and go. He goes a lot! This nice yacht would make a fantastic "trawler" if the storm tore up the rigging and chainplates. The hull looks fine, floating high....(c; -- http://www.epic.org/privacy/rfid/verichip.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VeriChip http://www.verichipcorp.com/ Tracked like a dog, every license/product/tax. Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name... |
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Larry wrote:
"NE Sailboat" wrote in news:RLQnh.510$3L1.473@trndny03: Second guess? The fellow abandoned ship? He left his yacht floating in the Atlantic. I'm wondering about the disabled engine it talked about. Look at the pictures. The waterline is clearly visible, so the boat isn't flooded at all. Wonder why his engine doesn't run? It doesn't say that I can find. A sailboat without a mast is called a "trawler"...(c; I know someone who bought a nice sloop that had become dismasted. He took it into the boatyard, tore off all the sail rigging and changed out to a 4-cyl Yanmar and bigger prop with a nicer bearing. They cut about half the keel off it, but left plenty to keep it from rolling, gaining about 4000 pounds of "payload" that used to hang under it for sailing. It's a really nice power trawler for little of nothing in money...about 40'. He gets about 8 knots for about a gallon/hour...10 mpg. That's cheap boating in a 40' boat. With 50hp, he has plenty of reserve power without eating a hole in the fuel tanks. An extra belt drives a 10KW, self-exciting 115/230VAC Chinese alternator he bought from Harbor Freight: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=93946 His doesn't have the PTO gears and big power box....$400. Sail maintenance is lots cheaper....change the oil every 100 hours and go. He goes a lot! This nice yacht would make a fantastic "trawler" if the storm tore up the rigging and chainplates. The hull looks fine, floating high....(c; The newspaper report said that there was three feet of water inside from the waves breaking over the hataches that had been torn off. The water flooded the engine, batteries shorted the electrical and the steering was broken. I wouldn't want a "trawler" with three feet of water inside. krj |
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On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 08:56:06 -0800, Gordon wrote:
I don't know but I'm guessing physical and mental exhaustion may have played a role here. It usually does. The question is what aspects could have been avoided with better weather routing, preparation, seamanship, equipment, etc. |
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On Sat, 6 Jan 2007 12:02:38 -0500, "Roger Long"
wrote: What kills boats in these latitudes and waves of this size (probably 20 feet since he said 40) is being dropped off the steep face of ones that are nearly breaking. Imagine your boat picked up by a crane 15 - 20 feet and rolled so the masts are pointed downwards. Then just let it go. Nice description. I usually say something like "tossed down into the trough from the top of a 20 foot wave" but it all amounts to the same thing, and it's not at all uncommon. I've also heard it described as "falling off a wave" which is fairly apt, and not difficult to do if you have some speed on and the waves are steep. One aspect of big waves is that they often appear as a hole in the water instead of looming overhead. |
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The most interesting part of this IMHO is the lady single hander
coming to save him! She, in a tiny Southern Cross 28 sloop, versus his heavy steel 44' ketch. Gordon |
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Go Screw ... I won't lay off Barnes. The guy is a joke!
=============== "Gogarty" wrote in message ... Was Slocum one of the best single-handers? Yes. Did he disappear on his last voyage? Yes. Did he run off with some dusky maid from a tropical island? Nice thought. Not likely. What is most likely that despite all his expetrience and skill, the sea overwhelmed him. So lay off Barnes until you know a hell of a lot more. |
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"He is there"
Nope,, Barnes has left the building. What burns me up about this story is all the folks who struggle to get a boat together, outfit, and head off. They would never leave their boat since it is their only possession. Then this phony comes along. He has no business trying to go off around the bay never mind the world. But ,, he has the money. So, he puts together a very sweet boat. A boat that should not have been ruined like it was. But Mr Money figures all he has to do it sit back and let the boat do all the work. WRONG! ===== Oh well,, he can go back to the babe girlfriend. And he probably still has plenty of money. But he can't sail worth ****. ==== "Gogarty" wrote in message ... In article 5AWnh.1021$us1.630@trndny04, says... Go Screw ... I won't lay off Barnes. The guy is a joke! Suit yourself. He is there. You are not. |
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How about a new rule? Dumbass remarks on the sailing abilities of
people who lost their boat only from others who have been out as far and survived a similar situation? Sorry, armchair sailing miles and internet surfing don't count. Would Slocum have chimed in here? And, whoever envies the fact that Barnes has or had some money and has a girlfriend: You can have that too: Get a job, get a life. :) Good night. NE Sailboat wrote: "He is there" Nope,, Barnes has left the building. What burns me up about this story is all the folks who struggle to get a boat together, outfit, and head off. They would never leave their boat since it is their only possession. Then this phony comes along. He has no business trying to go off around the bay never mind the world. But ,, he has the money. So, he puts together a very sweet boat. A boat that should not have been ruined like it was. But Mr Money figures all he has to do it sit back and let the boat do all the work. WRONG! ===== Oh well,, he can go back to the babe girlfriend. And he probably still has plenty of money. But he can't sail worth ****. ==== "Gogarty" wrote in message ... In article 5AWnh.1021$us1.630@trndny04, says... Go Screw ... I won't lay off Barnes. The guy is a joke! Suit yourself. He is there. You are not. |
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Hey Chris ,,, new rule. If you don't like it here .. go to someplace else.
It is a FORUM. Chiming in is what we do here. If your logic is followed ,,, the only person on this forum would be MR BARNES. Oh,, and another thought. The sailors who go off and sail to far off places, and arrive without incident, which is the usual case .. Aren't posting about their boat being lost... why? Because they arrived safely. Mr Barnes, and his boat and his family and his rescue was a NEWS STORY. HELLO ??? CHRIS ??? NEWS? YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS ??/ THAT MEANS IT WAS ON TV. If I am off in the middle of the ocean, I get my boat sunk, and then my picture is on tv and my girlfriend is beautiful ??? Don't ya think someone is going to ask "gee, wonder why he didn't take his beautiful girlfriend with him on his beautiful boat"? "Would Slocum have chimed in here?" Yes ,, page 188,189 of Sailing Alone Around The World by Joshua Slocum. Captain Slocum describes his meeting up with the "cutter-yacht" Akbar. He does not have too many good things to say about the boat nor the crew. Me thinks before you enter the water of debate, you do some research. wrote in message ps.com... How about a new rule? Dumbass remarks on the sailing abilities of people who lost their boat only from others who have been out as far and survived a similar situation? Sorry, armchair sailing miles and internet surfing don't count. Would Slocum have chimed in here? And, whoever envies the fact that Barnes has or had some money and has a girlfriend: You can have that too: Get a job, get a life. :) Good night. NE Sailboat wrote: "He is there" Nope,, Barnes has left the building. What burns me up about this story is all the folks who struggle to get a boat together, outfit, and head off. They would never leave their boat since it is their only possession. Then this phony comes along. He has no business trying to go off around the bay never mind the world. But ,, he has the money. So, he puts together a very sweet boat. A boat that should not have been ruined like it was. But Mr Money figures all he has to do it sit back and let the boat do all the work. WRONG! ===== Oh well,, he can go back to the babe girlfriend. And he probably still has plenty of money. But he can't sail worth ****. ==== "Gogarty" wrote in message ... In article 5AWnh.1021$us1.630@trndny04, says... Go Screw ... I won't lay off Barnes. The guy is a joke! Suit yourself. He is there. You are not. |
Ken Barnes rescue pictures
"Roger Long" wrote
One of those fishing boats would do well to tow it in. I'm curious why something like that wasn't done. Sinking it seems wasteful to me, but what do I know? http://www.latimes.com/la-me-sailorw...,5429998.story He scuttled his boat, The Privateer, so that it would not present a hazard to other vessels. "The boat is about 3,000 feet underwater," Barnes said. "I already put a quarter-million dollars into it and it would have taken a million dollars to recover it" - an estimate confirmed by search and rescue officials in the Chilean navy. |
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NE Sailboat: For some reason or another you seem intent on bashing
Barnes with a lot of venom. You've posted 1/3 of the responses to this thread and seem to be drawn to following this post. That's easy to do when you're sitting behind a computer somewhere in the NE. You weren't on his boat and you don't know the conditions of his systems or of Barnes himself. Many people set out on voyages not fully prepared for them. You over estimate your abilities or the condition of your boat and you under estimate the severity of the conditions that you can run in to. Many times luck is on your side and you escape unscathed. Sometimes luck runs against you and all hell breaks loose. I suspect that it was a combination of the above. I think about the 1st time that I sailed from Newport, RI to the BVIs and I can't believe how nieve I was. Back then I had at most sailed from RI to Florida and back and had done at most a handful of over- nighters. Now I'm amazed at how little I knew, but I came through in one piece. Since then I've put on 30,000+ miles and still would doubt my abilities to handle the conditions in the off the coast of Chile. I have no desire to go there, call it either having the brains to know my limits or not having the balls to undertake such an adventure. But you have to give the guy credit for trying. If you read the credits at the bottom of his web page it appears that he's spent the last 4 years planning and preparing for this voyage. One can hardly consider this a lark on his part. Things just went bad for him. After all of this planning I doubt that he would just abandon his boat for no real reason. Most accidents aren't due to a single failure. They're due to cascading events and fatigue. None of us were there and we don't know the whole story. Right now we're relying on dribs and drabs of info from the news media, some of which seem to be wrong. It's not fair to criticize the guy until all of the facts come out. Even then, it's easy to be a Monday morning skipper and say how you would have done things differently. -- Geoff |
Ken Barnes rescue pictures
krj wrote in news:QMSnh.21190$641.20879
@bignews4.bellsouth.net: The newspaper report said that there was three feet of water inside from the waves breaking over the hataches that had been torn off. The water flooded the engine, batteries shorted the electrical and the steering was broken. I wouldn't want a "trawler" with three feet of water inside. krj Sure doesn't look 3 feet low in the water, does it? I can see the waterline clearly visible. You can make out the antifouling bottom. Maybe the loss of rigging makes it ride higher?? Rule number one....if it looks bad, quit playing Captain Nemo and LIGHT OFF THE DAMNED ENGINE. Now there's plenty of power to run the pumps....if you have pumps....and I'm sure such a sailor would have more than enough pumps for a major flooding situation. Maybe if we didn't have crap hatches with plastic covers that would be an improvement. Nothing holds the plastic covers on ours except the sealer. How stupid. I've never figured out why sailors buy transparent plastic hatches, then spend another fortune buying shades to keep the sun out....??? -- http://www.epic.org/privacy/rfid/verichip.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VeriChip http://www.verichipcorp.com/ Tracked like a dog, every license/product/tax. Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name... |
Ken Barnes rescue pictures
"Ernest Scribbler" wrote in message ... "Roger Long" wrote One of those fishing boats would do well to tow it in. I'm curious why something like that wasn't done. Sinking it seems wasteful to me, but what do I know? http://www.latimes.com/la-me-sailorw...,5429998.story He scuttled his boat, The Privateer, so that it would not present a hazard to other vessels. "The boat is about 3,000 feet underwater," Barnes said. "I already put a quarter-million dollars into it and it would have taken a million dollars to recover it" - an estimate confirmed by search and rescue officials in the Chilean navy. I would like to think that I'm such a fantastic sailor that I could have brought The Privateer safely into port after suffering the conditions that rendered her dismasted and without power. I say I like to *think* so. But the truth is that none of us know the conditions Barnes endured, or for how long, or how any of us really would have handled ourselves, and our vessel, in that situation. And I'm damned glad that I wasn't there. Cap't Barnes deserves our respect, not condemnation. Karin |
Ken Barnes rescue pictures
You still haven't convinced me.
I think Larry has the right idea... build beautiful boat and take beautiful lady friend on boat for trip to islands. Then,, if it gets "chilly" you can cuddle.. hahahahahahahhaah ============== "Geoff Schultz" wrote in message .. . NE Sailboat: For some reason or another you seem intent on bashing Barnes with a lot of venom. You've posted 1/3 of the responses to this thread and seem to be drawn to following this post. That's easy to do when you're sitting behind a computer somewhere in the NE. You weren't on his boat and you don't know the conditions of his systems or of Barnes himself. Many people set out on voyages not fully prepared for them. You over estimate your abilities or the condition of your boat and you under estimate the severity of the conditions that you can run in to. Many times luck is on your side and you escape unscathed. Sometimes luck runs against you and all hell breaks loose. I suspect that it was a combination of the above. I think about the 1st time that I sailed from Newport, RI to the BVIs and I can't believe how nieve I was. Back then I had at most sailed from RI to Florida and back and had done at most a handful of over- nighters. Now I'm amazed at how little I knew, but I came through in one piece. Since then I've put on 30,000+ miles and still would doubt my abilities to handle the conditions in the off the coast of Chile. I have no desire to go there, call it either having the brains to know my limits or not having the balls to undertake such an adventure. But you have to give the guy credit for trying. If you read the credits at the bottom of his web page it appears that he's spent the last 4 years planning and preparing for this voyage. One can hardly consider this a lark on his part. Things just went bad for him. After all of this planning I doubt that he would just abandon his boat for no real reason. Most accidents aren't due to a single failure. They're due to cascading events and fatigue. None of us were there and we don't know the whole story. Right now we're relying on dribs and drabs of info from the news media, some of which seem to be wrong. It's not fair to criticize the guy until all of the facts come out. Even then, it's easy to be a Monday morning skipper and say how you would have done things differently. -- Geoff |
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Cap't Barnes
deserves our respect, not condemnation. Karin ========= Give me a break. The guy's boat is at the bottom of the sea. What I would like to know; did he have insurance on this boat? Makes it easier to abandon ship when someone else is paying. == Another thought .. when boats are lost and the insurance ( don't know if Barnes had any ) pays ,, we all pay. The insurance companies pass on the loss when some guy with his trailer sailor is looking for insurance. A. Captain? B. Respect? I suppose he will take up mountain climbing next. ps.. to Barnes... don't forget to bring the cell phone. |
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"NE Sailboat" wrote in message news:mM9oh.3605$1h.3501@trndny09... Cap't Barnes deserves our respect, not condemnation. Karin ========= Give me a break. The guy's boat is at the bottom of the sea. I did give you a break. I replied as if you were a reasonable person. What I would like to know; did he have insurance on this boat? Makes it easier to abandon ship when someone else is paying. And you, of course, have never filed an insurance claim. And if you truly haven't, have no intention of ever doing so. Of course. == Another thought .. when boats are lost and the insurance ( don't know if Barnes had any ) pays ,, we all pay. The insurance companies pass on the loss when some guy with his trailer sailor is looking for insurance. A. Captain? B. Respect? I suppose he will take up mountain climbing next. ps.. to Barnes... don't forget to bring the cell phone. Might I suggest that you take up cliff diving? ;-) Karin |
Ken Barnes rescue pictures
With masts broken off, steering gone, flooding over a meter deep, hatches blown off, food soaked with salt water, engine flooded,
batteries covered with salt water, no radio, just how do you propose to get this boat to port by yourself? krj Fly a Kite? Might be a good item to have onboard. SkySails: http://www.skysails.info/index.php?id=16&L=1 http://best-breezes.squarespace.com/journal/ KiteShip: http://www.kiteship.com/ |
Ken Barnes rescue pictures
Cliff ,, Muff ... any difference?
=== "KLC Lewis" wrote in message et... "NE Sailboat" wrote in message news:mM9oh.3605$1h.3501@trndny09... Cap't Barnes deserves our respect, not condemnation. Karin ========= Give me a break. The guy's boat is at the bottom of the sea. I did give you a break. I replied as if you were a reasonable person. What I would like to know; did he have insurance on this boat? Makes it easier to abandon ship when someone else is paying. And you, of course, have never filed an insurance claim. And if you truly haven't, have no intention of ever doing so. Of course. == Another thought .. when boats are lost and the insurance ( don't know if Barnes had any ) pays ,, we all pay. The insurance companies pass on the loss when some guy with his trailer sailor is looking for insurance. A. Captain? B. Respect? I suppose he will take up mountain climbing next. ps.. to Barnes... don't forget to bring the cell phone. Might I suggest that you take up cliff diving? ;-) Karin |
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