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Gordon wrote:
The most interesting part of this IMHO is the lady single hander coming to save him! She, in a tiny Southern Cross 28 sloop, versus his heavy steel 44' ketch. Gordon You've (and everyone else, have got to look at her web site). This lady is something else. http://www.donnalange.com I'm not sure she has the street smarts I'd want to have to under take the trip she's on now but she replaced a propeller all alone in the middle of the ocean so she certainly makes up for it with other qualities. I suspect it's no accident that her little 28 footer skated through the conditions that killed that big, tough, 44 footer (In just 35 knots?). We should all buy her CD to support this fellow cruiser who is doing it big time on a shoestring. Scroll way down in her site. -- Roger Long |
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Your bantering reminds me of the latest Rosie/Trump battle. Neither of
them knows when to keep their mouth shut. Just like them, you're not gaining any respect. -- Geoff "NE Sailboat" wrote in news:PG9oh.1136$us1.922@trndny04: You still haven't convinced me. I think Larry has the right idea... build beautiful boat and take beautiful lady friend on boat for trip to islands. Then,, if it gets "chilly" you can cuddle.. hahahahahahahhaah ============== "Geoff Schultz" wrote in message .. . NE Sailboat: For some reason or another you seem intent on bashing Barnes with a lot of venom. You've posted 1/3 of the responses to this thread and seem to be drawn to following this post. That's easy to do when you're sitting behind a computer somewhere in the NE. You weren't on his boat and you don't know the conditions of his systems or of Barnes himself. Many people set out on voyages not fully prepared for them. You over estimate your abilities or the condition of your boat and you under estimate the severity of the conditions that you can run in to. Many times luck is on your side and you escape unscathed. Sometimes luck runs against you and all hell breaks loose. I suspect that it was a combination of the above. I think about the 1st time that I sailed from Newport, RI to the BVIs and I can't believe how nieve I was. Back then I had at most sailed from RI to Florida and back and had done at most a handful of over- nighters. Now I'm amazed at how little I knew, but I came through in one piece. Since then I've put on 30,000+ miles and still would doubt my abilities to handle the conditions in the off the coast of Chile. I have no desire to go there, call it either having the brains to know my limits or not having the balls to undertake such an adventure. But you have to give the guy credit for trying. If you read the credits at the bottom of his web page it appears that he's spent the last 4 years planning and preparing for this voyage. One can hardly consider this a lark on his part. Things just went bad for him. After all of this planning I doubt that he would just abandon his boat for no real reason. Most accidents aren't due to a single failure. They're due to cascading events and fatigue. None of us were there and we don't know the whole story. Right now we're relying on dribs and drabs of info from the news media, some of which seem to be wrong. It's not fair to criticize the guy until all of the facts come out. Even then, it's easy to be a Monday morning skipper and say how you would have done things differently. -- Geoff |
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Roger Long wrote:
Gordon wrote: The most interesting part of this IMHO is the lady single hander coming to save him! She, in a tiny Southern Cross 28 sloop, versus his heavy steel 44' ketch. Gordon You've (and everyone else, have got to look at her web site). This lady is something else. http://www.donnalange.com I'm not sure she has the street smarts I'd want to have to under take the trip she's on now but she replaced a propeller all alone in the middle of the ocean so she certainly makes up for it with other qualities. I suspect it's no accident that her little 28 footer skated through the conditions that killed that big, tough, 44 footer (In just 35 knots?). We should all buy her CD to support this fellow cruiser who is doing it big time on a shoestring. Scroll way down in her site. Actually, she TRIED several times to replace the prop but couldn't get the key in place in the rough weather. How about where she hand steered for three weeks with no sleep! Gordon |
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Gordon wrote:
Actually, she TRIED several times to replace the prop but couldn't Trying is as impressive as doing it in this case. I was just skimming through the site on a friend's laptop this morning so I haven't gotten the whole story yet. -- Roger Long |
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NE Sailboat wrote: It is reported at the end of the CBS story that he had no gash. Seems like the gash story was something his family dreamed up. Interesting, I heard on the BBC last night that the gash was "to the bone". I didn't hear of any mention of the number of stiches taken, which number is almost always mentioned by tradition when somebody gets stitches. The thing that struck me was that the waterline of the boat is visible in the photo I've seen. It doesn't look like it's got a meter of water inside. Compare pictures of his boat to pictures of Tami Oldham's boat when it limped into Hilo back in the 80's. She sailed it for nearly 2 months after wrecking in a storm. I was living there when she came in, and the boat was totally trashed. It occurs to me that if Ken had been successful, he'd probably make the news here and there for a couple days. Now, I'll bet he's getting offers from the media, will be a star for quite a while, and many times more than enough money to replace his boat. I hope so. |
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NE Sailboat wrote: Oh well,, he can go back to the babe girlfriend. Wouldn't you? And he probably still has plenty of money He cleaned swimming pools for a living. One man business. If he had plenty of money, good for him, because he worked hard for it. But I don't know of too many people who make "plenty of money" cleaning swimming pools. And if all this publicity makes him rich, good on him. But he can't sail worth ****. Oh, I take it that you've done this yourself? You sound jealous. |
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Gogarty wrote in
: In article r7coh.1211$us1.836@trndny04, says... Cliff ,, Muff ... any difference? Hooboy! Another lame flame retort with overtones of lewdness. Long since run out of anything useful to say. Nope. Just another gang warfare under the interstate bridge on the East Side with motorcycle chains and razor blades....same as when I mentioned Network Stumbler for laptops. The flaming gets worse every Winter, but this year it seems as bad as I've ever seen it.....well, maybe not THAT bad as Harry Krause on rec.boats throwing acid in people's faces. Everyone go get them a nice rum from the last cruise and RELAX.....AHHHH.... |
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"NE Sailboat" wrote in
news:PG9oh.1136$us1.922@trndny04: I think Larry has the right idea... build beautiful boat and take beautiful lady friend on boat for trip to islands. Then,, if it gets "chilly" you can cuddle.. hahahahahahahhaah And if it doesn't get "chilly".....HEAD NORTH until it does!...(c; I found a great porn video of two 20-somethings just gettin'-it-on in the V-berth of a really nice looking yacht. They're struggling, she's screaming and carrying on, banging her head on the overhead, the way it oughta be! I took it to a boat party on my laptop which I hid until they were all drunk and rowdy. "Does anyone know these people?", I asked them while booting it up? The drunks searched the whole marina, even the transient dock, listening for that noise she was makin' the rest of the night!....hee hee. Cap'n kept looking in our V-berth, then he'd turn around and say, "Nope. Not yet!", to the delight of the assemblage. The females especially loved my "presentation video"...(c; About midnight, I snuck the notebook up into the V-berth and set Windows' scheduler to play it at loud volume in 30 minutes behind the closed door. Very realistic.... I love dock parties..... |
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NE Sailboat wrote:
Am I missing something? I think I figured it out, pasted below is from Ken's site... I am betting we will find that the boat rolled past 90 degrees (110-120), stayed that way about 20 to 40 seconds, during which time the above decks were scourged, flooding occured, engine failed, Ken crapped his pants wondering if his boat was ever going to stand upright again. All because Ken [and Mr. Perry, who is that anyway?] thought they knew better than Mr. Griffiths, and sawed off the stabalizer plates... I also bet Mr. Perry is feeling a bit blush right about now... tom p.s. I have one of the few non-shoalkeel Maurice Griffiths designs; 42 LOD, 11.96 RTons, 6'draft, kanwara is her name =-== From " http://www.kensolo.com/TheBoat.htm " finally found the boat I ended up with in Brunswick, GA and trucked her to the west coast. She is a Maurice Griffiths designed 44' staysail ketch built in Gozo, Malta by Terry Erskine steel yachts in 1993. She has a round chine and a 6' bowsprit. She was originally designed as what is known as a bilge keel boat with a full keel and 16 s.f. plates on each side of the keel to allow her to stay upright when the tide ebbs. I had these cut off after talking with designer, Robert Perry who agreed they were 400 lbs. each with a lot of wetted surface and useless for my plans. She draws 5'6" and has a beam of 12' 3" and comes in at about 50,000 lbs fully loaded for this trip. For the last 3 + years I have been outfitting her for her new task. =-== NE Sailboat wrote: Roger ,, I took a look at this . I don't know Ken Barnes, or anything about Ken Barnes. But ... when I looked at the pictures, I kept thinking why isn't the Captain ( Ken ) trying to get his boat to some port? Couldn't he rig some sort of sail? Or, couldn't he get some help doing some type of repair on site? It just doesn't seem right for some reason. This boat was equipped to sail around the world. I'm assuming that it is a very well constructed, well equipped, strong, yacht. Am I missing something? Also,, what of this Ken Barnes. Is he a very able sailor? Has he done other long trips? Tell me where I am off course. --------------------------------- "Roger Long" wrote in message ... Good set of photos of Ken Barnes' damaged boat and rescue over at CBS. http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2007...y2332917.shtml Very nice looking boat. Looks like it should have done better but it's a very tough patch of ocean. One of those fishing boats would do well to tow it in. -- Roger Long |
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Talking of waterlines, look at the Donna Lange pics when she is
leaving NZ. That sucker is squatting. Not your ordinary granny! Gordon |
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oh, I just heard of the 'self-scuttling'. If this is true, it's
probably an insurance scam. And if that's true, I do hope he gets busted... Contrariwise, it is hard to support that many bleached blondes.... gotta do watcha gotta do! tlindly wrote: NE Sailboat wrote: Am I missing something? I think I figured it out, pasted below is from Ken's site... I am betting we will find that the boat rolled past 90 degrees (110-120), stayed that way about 20 to 40 seconds, during which time the above decks were scourged, flooding occured, engine failed, Ken crapped his pants wondering if his boat was ever going to stand upright again. All because Ken [and Mr. Perry, who is that anyway?] thought they knew better than Mr. Griffiths, and sawed off the stabalizer plates... I also bet Mr. Perry is feeling a bit blush right about now... tom p.s. I have one of the few non-shoalkeel Maurice Griffiths designs; 42 LOD, 11.96 RTons, 6'draft, kanwara is her name =-== From " http://www.kensolo.com/TheBoat.htm " finally found the boat I ended up with in Brunswick, GA and trucked her to the west coast. She is a Maurice Griffiths designed 44' staysail ketch built in Gozo, Malta by Terry Erskine steel yachts in 1993. She has a round chine and a 6' bowsprit. She was originally designed as what is known as a bilge keel boat with a full keel and 16 s.f. plates on each side of the keel to allow her to stay upright when the tide ebbs. I had these cut off after talking with designer, Robert Perry who agreed they were 400 lbs. each with a lot of wetted surface and useless for my plans. She draws 5'6" and has a beam of 12' 3" and comes in at about 50,000 lbs fully loaded for this trip. For the last 3 + years I have been outfitting her for her new task. =-== NE Sailboat wrote: Roger ,, I took a look at this . I don't know Ken Barnes, or anything about Ken Barnes. But ... when I looked at the pictures, I kept thinking why isn't the Captain ( Ken ) trying to get his boat to some port? Couldn't he rig some sort of sail? Or, couldn't he get some help doing some type of repair on site? It just doesn't seem right for some reason. This boat was equipped to sail around the world. I'm assuming that it is a very well constructed, well equipped, strong, yacht. Am I missing something? Also,, what of this Ken Barnes. Is he a very able sailor? Has he done other long trips? Tell me where I am off course. --------------------------------- "Roger Long" wrote in message ... Good set of photos of Ken Barnes' damaged boat and rescue over at CBS. http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2007...y2332917.shtml Very nice looking boat. Looks like it should have done better but it's a very tough patch of ocean. One of those fishing boats would do well to tow it in. -- Roger Long |
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Get a grip. The guy didn't sail to Chile and spend 4 years planning his
trip to pull an insurance scam! And in your reply to yourself, you talk about sawing off a "stabilizer plate". What the hell are you talking about? This is a sailboat, not a power boat. -- Geoff "tlindly" wrote in ups.com: oh, I just heard of the 'self-scuttling'. If this is true, it's probably an insurance scam. And if that's true, I do hope he gets busted... Contrariwise, it is hard to support that many bleached blondes.... gotta do watcha gotta do! tlindly wrote: NE Sailboat wrote: Am I missing something? I think I figured it out, pasted below is from Ken's site... I am betting we will find that the boat rolled past 90 degrees (110-120), stayed that way about 20 to 40 seconds, during which time the above decks were scourged, flooding occured, engine failed, Ken crapped his pants wondering if his boat was ever going to stand upright again. All because Ken [and Mr. Perry, who is that anyway?] thought they knew better than Mr. Griffiths, and sawed off the stabalizer plates... I also bet Mr. Perry is feeling a bit blush right about now... tom |
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"Razzbar" wrote in message oups.com... NE Sailboat wrote: It is reported at the end of the CBS story that he had no gash. Seems like the gash story was something his family dreamed up. Interesting, I heard on the BBC last night that the gash was "to the bone". I didn't hear of any mention of the number of stiches taken, which number is almost always mentioned by tradition when somebody gets stitches. The thing that struck me was that the waterline of the boat is visible in the photo I've seen. It doesn't look like it's got a meter of water inside. Compare pictures of his boat to pictures of Tami Oldham's boat when it limped into Hilo back in the 80's. She sailed it for nearly 2 months after wrecking in a storm. I was living there when she came in, and the boat was totally trashed. It occurs to me that if Ken had been successful, he'd probably make the news here and there for a couple days. Now, I'll bet he's getting offers from the media, will be a star for quite a while, and many times more than enough money to replace his boat. I hope so. I hope not. Not a very good sailor. What do you think the general public thinks?? |
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On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 17:06:26 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote: What I would like to know; did he have insurance on this boat? Makes it easier to abandon ship when someone else is paying. It is almost impossible to get insurance for a trip like that, especially single handing the boat. |
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Larry,, I recommend a subscription to Lattitudes and Attitudes magazine.
No sailing around the world to see if you are one with nature for these folks. Oh nooooo... It is Jimmy Buffet, and PARTY ............................. "Larry" wrote in message ... "NE Sailboat" wrote in news:PG9oh.1136$us1.922@trndny04: I think Larry has the right idea... build beautiful boat and take beautiful lady friend on boat for trip to islands. Then,, if it gets "chilly" you can cuddle.. hahahahahahahhaah And if it doesn't get "chilly".....HEAD NORTH until it does!...(c; I found a great porn video of two 20-somethings just gettin'-it-on in the V-berth of a really nice looking yacht. They're struggling, she's screaming and carrying on, banging her head on the overhead, the way it oughta be! I took it to a boat party on my laptop which I hid until they were all drunk and rowdy. "Does anyone know these people?", I asked them while booting it up? The drunks searched the whole marina, even the transient dock, listening for that noise she was makin' the rest of the night!....hee hee. Cap'n kept looking in our V-berth, then he'd turn around and say, "Nope. Not yet!", to the delight of the assemblage. The females especially loved my "presentation video"...(c; About midnight, I snuck the notebook up into the V-berth and set Windows' scheduler to play it at loud volume in 30 minutes behind the closed door. Very realistic.... I love dock parties..... |
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Wayne ,, my insurance company doesn't care how many of us are sailing the
boat .. all they want to know is how many other boats I have bumped into. ============ "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 17:06:26 GMT, "NE Sailboat" wrote: What I would like to know; did he have insurance on this boat? Makes it easier to abandon ship when someone else is paying. It is almost impossible to get insurance for a trip like that, especially single handing the boat. |
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On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 17:49:18 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote: Wayne ,, my insurance company doesn't care how many of us are sailing the boat .. all they want to know is how many other boats I have bumped into. Look in the fine print for something called "cruising limits" or some such. It probably says something like north eastern US waters up to 50 miles off shore. Once you go outside your cruising limits you are self insured. |
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"NE Sailboat" wrote in news:Vsvoh.2547$312.593
@trndny02: Larry,, I recommend a subscription to Lattitudes and Attitudes magazine. No sailing around the world to see if you are one with nature for these folks. Oh nooooo... It is Jimmy Buffet, and PARTY ............................. Don't need a magazine to party.....need a GIRL and some BOOZE! Saves a lot of money and extra work if you skip the boat...(c; On a more serious note, there are lots of magazines, including mags like Cruising World, etc., posted from massive CD magazine subscriptions over on the alt.binaries.e-book newsgroups every month. Data stores much easier than paper on a boat. Take a few thousand to sea on your cruise. Buffett always graces our dock parties....at least until Cap'n puts on his favorite opera singer. Ever heard a bunch of boat drunks singing along with an opera?....walking back to the marina on the street, acapella?....(c; |
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"KLC Lewis" wrote
Cap't Barnes deserves our respect, not condemnation. I'll let the rest of you hash that out, I was just wondering why nobody tied a line on Barnes' boat and towed it somewhere. I would think you could do that for less than the value of the damaged boat. But what do I know? |
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"Ernest Scribbler" wrote in message et... "KLC Lewis" wrote Cap't Barnes deserves our respect, not condemnation. I'll let the rest of you hash that out, I was just wondering why nobody tied a line on Barnes' boat and towed it somewhere. I would think you could do that for less than the value of the damaged boat. But what do I know? I wanted to, but was several thousand miles away and The Privateer was at the bottom of the ocean by the time I found out about it. Anybody got a submarine? Karin |
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"KLC Lewis" wrote
I wanted to, but was several thousand miles away and The Privateer was at the bottom of the ocean by the time I found out about it. Anybody got a submarine? Hmm. Maybe that explains the estimated recovery cost. |
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Geoff Schultz wrote: Get a grip. The guy didn't sail to Chile and spend 4 years planning his trip to pull an insurance scam! how do you know? are You in on it?? did YOU do the planning??? And in your reply to yourself, you talk about sawing off a "stabilizer plate". I didn't talk about it, He talked about it, on his website, at the advise of Mr. Perry apparently, Hey wait aminute, Is Schultz german for Perry???? O.k., now I'm Boardering on facesiousness..., in this line But not this one, how did he scuttle a steel boat? Are scuttle corks mandatory on steel boats, with little yellow tags that say "pull here if you are afraid that the chilian navy will not know how to deal responsibly with the vessel you are abandoning off their coast, for insurance scam reasons" What the hell are you talking about? This is a sailboat, not a power boat. o.k. -- Geoff "tlindly" wrote in ups.com: oh, I just heard of the 'self-scuttling'. If this is true, it's probably an insurance scam. And if that's true, I do hope he gets busted... Contrariwise, it is hard to support that many bleached blondes.... gotta do watcha gotta do! tlindly wrote: NE Sailboat wrote: Am I missing something? I think I figured it out, pasted below is from Ken's site... I am betting we will find that the boat rolled past 90 degrees (110-120), stayed that way about 20 to 40 seconds, during which time the above decks were scourged, flooding occured, engine failed, Ken crapped his pants wondering if his boat was ever going to stand upright again. All because Ken [and Mr. Perry, who is that anyway?] thought they knew better than Mr. Griffiths, and sawed off the stabalizer plates... I also bet Mr. Perry is feeling a bit blush right about now... tom |
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On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 01:49:33 -0800, tlindly wrote:
snipped for hygenic purposes *plonked* for egregious stupidity |
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"tlindly" wrote in news:1168422573.348469.285210
@i39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com: Geoff Schultz wrote: Get a grip. The guy didn't sail to Chile and spend 4 years planning his trip to pull an insurance scam! how do you know? are You in on it?? did YOU do the planning??? Perhaps you should read his web site...Do I know absolutely? No! Was I in on it? No! Did I do the planning? No! Are you an blathering idiot? YES! -- Geoff |
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On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:51:09 -0500, Gogarty
wrote: In article , says... "tlindly" wrote in news:1168422573.348469.285210 : Geoff Schultz wrote: Get a grip. The guy didn't sail to Chile and spend 4 years planning his trip to pull an insurance scam! how do you know? are You in on it?? did YOU do the planning??? Perhaps you should read his web site...Do I know absolutely? No! Was I in on it? No! Did I do the planning? No! Are you an blathering idiot? YES! -- Geoff It's "blithering idiot." YES! http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Blather http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Blither |
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On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:08:11 -0500, Gogarty
wrote: Are you an blathering idiot? YES! -- Geoff It's "blithering idiot." YES! http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Blather http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Blither I have written a Wiktionary definition for "blither." And so you have. Well done! Everyone's a lexicographer on the internet... http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Blither |
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Larry wrote a week or so ago:
On a more serious note, there are lots of magazines, including mags like Cruising World, etc., posted from massive CD magazine subscriptions over on the alt.binaries.e-book newsgroups every month. Hey Larry, how do you find magazines posted on alt.binaries.books newsgroups? I've tried searching with a bunch of different criteria to no avail. If fact I haven't found much in the way of useable books there either, lots of poetry and novels is all. Thanks, Red |
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Red wrote in :
Hey Larry, how do you find magazines posted on alt.binaries.books newsgroups? I've tried searching with a bunch of different criteria to no avail. If fact I haven't found much in the way of useable books there either, lots of poetry and novels is all. Thanks, Red First, you must be on an NNTP-based news reader hooked to a real news server, not some webpage-based nonsense like Google. I'll assume you are connected to a real Usenet NNTP server that has binary news groups, not just text like the freebies do. Your header is all munged nonsense, so I can't see what news reader, if any, you are using. It must be capable of downloading and decoding Yenc- encoded binary files. I recommend Xnews from xnews.newsguy.com but there are many others that specialize in binary decoding. .pdf files from e- book newsgroups decode directly to the readable .pdf, .chm or other text/picture formats, except a few stupidly compressed into .rar files, which requires WinRAR to assemble later. The mags decode directly. I'm looking at newsgroup alt.binaries.e-book.technical and I see posted Jan 07 a .pdf file for: Ger's Leesmap Nr 72 [35/53]"Sailing_World_-_Jan-Fed-07.pdf" yEnc(~~/78) in its subject line. Xnews compiles all 78 messages in this binary file into one line, making it easy to pick. This would be the Jan-Feb 07 issue of Sailing World. Each month, someone called 4Fun posts the entire Ger's Leesmap magazine CD-Rom for all kinds of magazines. This is one of them. There are 53 magazines in Nr 72 CD posted Jan 07. I download thousands of books, magazines, technical papers and other things that interest me from this one newsgroup every week. If you need the Operations Manual for the Boeing 747, it's posted here every so often for our amusement, along with all the weapons manuals the kids can lay their hands on...(c; I think I can start a nuclear reactor, too. I read its manual from here... How do you connect to the rec.boats newsgroups? Your header in your message is a mess. Larry -- Democracy is when two wolves and a sheep vote on who's for dinner. Liberty is when the sheep has his own gun. |
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Just some thoughts on all the speculation going on here. I knew Ken when I lived up in Newport Beach, he was part of the sailing scene there. But I'll hold on my opinion of him as a sailor and a person, as that was a long time ago. But I will talk about Newport Beach. It's a land of incredibly rich and self absorbed people, and a peasant culture running the infrastructure. There's an undercurrent of white collar crime, like phone scams, dope and gold bullion stock. Pool cleaning is a big business in So. Cal. I don't know what Ken's operation was prior to departure, but a one man operation is comfortable; and with organizational skills and enough Mexicans, pool cleaning can be quite lucrative. It's also a way to connect with the beautiful people; there's a running joke about "pool boys." His girlfriend and sisters are completely normal non peasant "Newpies", right accent and apparel, and a willingness to blab and bare all on camera. The local papers said it became quite the media frenzy. He signed up a public relations consultant before the trip started. His girlfriend's smart, said she had no desire to be cooped up in a boat for a year, but was apparently supportive. But what puzzles me is what he did after the rollover. Hitting land wasn't an immediate concern. One would assume he had the medical equipment to deal with a leg cut. If there was danger of foundering he could have jettisoned most of the *tons* of life support stuff (propane, fuel & food). The boat looks watertightable. Why push the Easy button? Abandon the grand circumnavigation, and establish a new goal of salvaging the boat. 50,000 pounds of steel worth some dough. Why didn't he just chill until the seas abated, then surmise his situation? I wonder if he did a shakedown, Hawaii and back, or better, Vancouver and back. Or any long, shorthanded voyage. |
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Geoff Schultz wrote: Geoff Schultz wrote: Get a grip. The guy didn't sail to Chile and spend 4 years planning his trip to pull an insurance scam! how do you know? are You in on it?? did YOU do the planning??? Perhaps you should read his web site... If you had read THIS thread, you would see that I not only DID read his website, but I cut and pasted info from his website wherein I show that he ALTERed his boat making it less stable. After this, someone mentioned that he had scuttled his boat, and at that time I mentioned that IF THAT WERE TRUE [I'm still not convinced that the scuttling wasn't just a rumor] then it was likely an insurance scam. Do I know absolutely? No! Then why did you exclaim it so? [with your punctuation, see above] Was I in on it? No! Did I do the planning? No! No, now that I'm getting to know you better, I can see that you do not have the attention span needed for a caper of this magnatude. Are you an blathering idiot? YES! Let's see... OED says: "blether, blather, v. - 1. intr. To talk nonsense loquaciously." "idiot, n. - ad. Gr.{ilenis}{delta}{iota}{gwacu}{tau}{eta}{fsigma} private person, common man, plebeian, one without professional knowledge, 'layman';" Yes, I see that I must concede to you this point, that I do so fancy our conversations! Yours [while mired in your abuse], tom =-== |
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tlindly wrote:
If you had read THIS thread, you would see that I not only DID read his website, but I cut and pasted info from his website wherein I show that he ALTERed his boat making it less stable. Yes, you read it but without the technical understanding to properly evaluate it. The weight represented by the bilge keels would have had an insignificant effect on stability. They were primarily devices to keep the boat upright in British anchorages that dry out at low tide. Their removal would, however, make the boat significantly less prone to the rollover by reducing the low drag that trips the boat against the force of the wave crest on the topsides. Possibly some loss of windward ability as well but this isn't always the case if the boat also has a center keel. Getting bilge keels exactly aligned with the flow is a black art and their drag can hurt windward performance more than their extra area decreases leeway. Bob Perry gave him excellent advice. The fine points of naval architecture are one thing. The suggestion that this was an insurance scam betrays a lack of common sense and the nature of marine insurance rates that makes it hard for me to believe the person who suggested it ever had occasion to buy insurance for a yacht. -- Roger Long |
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Larry kindly replied:
A bunch of stuff about downloading magazine files from newsgroups, and; "How do you connect to the rec.boats newsgroups? Your header in your message is a mess." I am using Fort'e Agent for a news reader, is that ok to get those magazine files? Thanks, Red |
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Red wrote in :
I am using Fort'e Agent for a news reader, is that ok to get those magazine files? Thanks, Red Forte's products are better at text than binaries. Go download Xnews free from xnews.newsguy.com and get the help files to help you learn to use it. Leave everything default after you put in your nntp server address (username and password if you need it, too). Xnews will download that server's whole list, then you can go down through the list and press the = key to "subscribe" that newsgroup you want, text like this one or binary. That makes Xnews put that group at the top of the list and automates the newsgroup's update data. Open the alt.binaries.e-book.technical newsgroup and Xnews will open a window asking you how many of these 48,832,445 messages you want to list. DON'T try to list them all! Move the START slider control over so the download count window says about 200,000 messages. Click OK and let it load the last 200K message headers. The list defaults sorted by Subject header. Don't touch it until Xnews has completely downloaded, SORTED and THREADED them all, automatically. Now, as you go down the list, you'll see each pdf, chm, etc., book/magazine/manual file is only ONE line of the list, not 46 separate messages. It will tell you 46/46, which means we have 46 of 46 messages that make up this split-up binary pdf file. A light blue Rubix cube along the left side of this line tells you all the parts are on the server and no parts are missing. A dark blue partial Rubix cube tells you parts are missing, either because Usenet bombed it or it is missing from the partial list you downloaded of the 48,832,445 messages available. Only download completed files for now. Later you can play with PAR files, which have the uncanny ability to correct errors and even replace missing whole parts of binary files. To the right of the SUBJECT field on the message window, you'll see a column marked Q, which stands for Que. When you click on this line's Q box, a number shows up in the Q column at this line, which is the location in the download que of this magazine. You may click as many binary files as you like, each one getting a higher and higher number as you continue. If you make a mistake, click it again and it will unque the line. You may also click and drag down the Q column to que and number a whole line of binaries to download in line. If the line is longer than your screen, you may get it to mark and scroll down (or up) by moving the mouse pointer around in a tiny circle that MUST stay inside the bottom Q box. After you've marked a few hundred files, look at the bottom line of the message window and you'll find a blue Rubix Cube button. That's the DOWNLOAD/DECODE/STORE button. Click it and a standard Windoze folder selection window will pop up so you can OPEN (not just point to) the folder you want Xnews to put its decoded, compiled, ready-to-read binary files into. Once the downloading begins, at how ever fast your broadband connection can stand, you are free to go back up the list and click even more files to get, even while it's downloading. Every time it gets a message piece of the current file Q = 1, all the numbers in the Q column will decrement by one. As each file is completed, it goes on to the next in the que to get it. Once you've marked as many as you want, just walk away and let Xnews automatically get them all, one after the other, storing them where you told it to. Once Xnews has completed today's massive binary download, all neatly stored to disk, click the Check Mark button to the left of the Rubix Cube button along the bottom control panel of the message window. This sets the START pointer in this newsgroup to the last message so when we open it again, tomorrow, it will list only new files uploaded since we last downloaded....a smaller number, to be sure. I'm using Xnews to write this message. There are two other newsgroups open, limited only by how many ports your news server lets you have open simultaneously, while I'm typing on this port. (I get 10 on Usenetserver.) Ebooks and movies are downloading continuously, today. Xnews will simultaneously download as many groups as you have ports for, but, of course, more than one open splits your available bandwidth between them all, slowing down the downloading. Once you learn how to use Xnews' complex system to handle NNTP usenet, you'll dump the Agent kiddie cruiser for the simple minded. I can't believe he gives Xnews away for free. Keep a sharp eye out for huge hard drives and fast DVD burners at bargain prices. You're gonna need them when you become an addict. There's 1.9TB, 1900 GB of hard drives on my system. I spent last night offloading to DVD+Rs a few hundred GB so I'd have space for today...(c; If your crappy internet service refuses to let you have unlimited downloading from Usenet, and most do, go to http://www.usenetserver.com/ and buy Usenetserver's truly unlimited service for $15/month, no contract. 3 months is $40, a discount. Retention after the last massive upgrade is now over 45 days and completeness hovers around 99.5% so you don't miss any parts....unless the guy who uploaded it screws up. Buy a big, tall DVD storage rack that doesn't depend on the DVDs being in cases. It keeps your friends from walking on the latest 45000 MP3 files you downloaded since Sunday...(c; My collection is over 21,000,000 songs from Edison's first commercial recorded cylinder to the latest hip hop songs that makes my girlfriend horny. I also recommend the Gateway 21" LCD monitor that rotates to vertical document mode. The included software driver listens to the USB data from this beautiful monitor so that when you simply rotate the display to vertical or horizontal, the driver automatically switches Windows over. Magazines in Adobe Acrobat, clicked to FULL SCREEN mode, displays a single page as big as the screen in beautiful colors more vivid than the paper magazine it was printed to. The picture is bigger than the original page and very easy on the eyes. Roll it back over to horizontal for those widescreen movies from alt.binary.movies.divx that won't come out in the theatres until next month...(c; Compiling huge movie files requires you to buy WinRAR from www.rarlabs.com. Movies are split up into 40-60 pieces, then the pieces are sent as 30-200 messages Xnews decodes into the .rar set. After you download the rar binaries to your hard drive, you run WinRAR to recombine all the compressed rar data into the 700 to 1400 MB DivX or Xvid movie to play with VLC from www.videolan.com, which is the finest free, open-source player on the planet. It will play anything. But, that's another story....(c; Larry -- Democracy is when two wolves and a sheep vote on who's for dinner. Liberty is when the sheep has his own gun. |
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Larry,
Excellent post! 1.9 TB ! You get paid way too much. :) One thing you did not mention was PAR files to repair the incomplete's. I think for a new user News Rover would be a better choice although it is not free it is much easer to use and it does RAR files and PAR recovery automatically. http://www.newsrover.com/ I have been using news rover for about three years now and love it. Currently I am using version 11 and have not parted with the upgrade fee to the latest version yet. Capt. Joe On 23-Jan-2007, Larry wrote: Forte's products are better at text than binaries. Go download Xnews free from xnews.newsguy.com and get the help files to help you learn to use it. SNIP |
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Larry kindly answered my question with more than I expected, and then some:
Forte's products are better at text than binaries. Go download Xnews free from xnews.newsguy.com and... snip Thanks Larry, I will def check out xnews. My isp doesn't carry all the groups, nor does it keep messages longer than 2 weeks, so I'll also have to look into usenetserver if I get addicted :) Red |
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On 23-Jan-2007, Gogarty wrote: How did this thread get to be a discussion of newsreaders? In any case, there is only one worth bothering with and it is totally free -- WinVn. Google it and try it. Does everything you need with great simplicity. A quick look at the users guide looks like this is not suitable for binary's which is what we were talking about. |
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One thing you did not mention was PAR files to repair the incomplete's. I think for a new user News Rover would be a better choice although it is not free it is much easer to use and it does RAR files and PAR recovery automatically. http://www.newsrover.com/ I have been using news rover for about three years now and love it. Currently I am using version 11 and have not parted with the upgrade fee to the latest version yet. Capt. Joe When I'm setting up a newbie binary downloader, I keep him away from PARS and RARS until he's happy with MP3s and PDFs and is ready to move on to the big movie files....(c; I'll check out Newsrover. I've used Xnews so many years and like its action of only using one port per newsgroup for downloading, leaving the other ports for me to use while it's downloading. Some of the news clients open as many ports, simultaneously, as they can get to increase the throughput, but I don't like that as I can't open text groups while the downloading continues. Of course, if they have to PAY for Newsrover, most internetters will balk, even if it's $10 for life....(c; Larry -- Democracy is when two wolves and a sheep vote on who's for dinner. Liberty is when the sheep has his own gun. |
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Red wrote in :
Thanks Larry, I will def check out xnews. My isp doesn't carry all the groups, nor does it keep messages longer than 2 weeks, so I'll also have to look into usenetserver if I get addicted :) Always glad to help. I just looked at the status page: http://www.usenetserver.com/networkstatus.html 31,175 users are downloading a mere 17.03 Gbps as I type this. The load is quite light, tonight...(c; The status page always graphs the load for the last day for you. They're bragging out Phase 2 of the upgrade is complete with 75 days retention across the boards, which is really nice for people who may be away cruising in a boat for a couple of weeks to a month. It'll be there when you get back. UNS's server stack in Atlanta is just massive, now....and Phase 3 is coming with even more. Getting them to add a newsgroup they may not carry is as easy as asking for it on usenetserver.support newsgroup where the guys actually running the servers ACTUALLY COMMUNICATE with us lowly users! We kid them about someone kicking the tape drive for the Commodore 64 off the coffee table, etc....(c; Too bad they don't also run a cellphone company as it would put Verizon clean out of business. There's a test deal, too. $3 for 3 days of unlimited access on 10 ports at once, just to test your connections out. If your ISP blocks the normal port 119 NNTP port...UNS has many other ports open to drive around them, too! Larry -- Democracy is when two wolves and a sheep vote on who's for dinner. Liberty is when the sheep has his own gun. |
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On 24-Jan-2007, Larry wrote: When I'm setting up a newbie binary downloader, I keep him away from PARS and RARS until he's happy with MP3s and PDFs and is ready to move on to the big movie files....(c; I'll check out Newsrover. I've used Xnews so many years and like its action of only using one port per newsgroup for downloading, leaving the other ports for me to use while it's downloading. Some of the news clients open as many ports, simultaneously, as they can get to increase the throughput, but I don't like that as I can't open text groups while the downloading continues. Of course, if they have to PAY for Newsrover, most internetters will balk, even if it's $10 for life....(c; Larry -- Democracy is when two wolves and a sheep vote on who's for dinner. Liberty is when the sheep has his own gun. Normally I would agree with you on RAR's and PAR's with a newbie but when the program does both with two mouse clicks even I can do it. :) They do have a "free for 30 days in demonstration mode" whatever a "demonstration mode" is? Capt. Joe |
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