"finley martin" wrote:

I am looking for some used charts fo next summer's sailing season: BBA
chart kits for region 7 (Florida east coast and keys); region 6 ( Norfolk to
Jacksonville, Fla.); region 4 ( Chesepeake and Delaware Bays); and region 3
(New york, Nantucket, Cape May, NJ).

If anyone wants to part with theirs ... or knows where I can purchase them
... I'd appreciate a reply. Are there retail marine stores which deal in
used charts?

Instead of soliciting used and perhaps out-of-date charts, why don't
you just download the free up-to-date ones now made available by NOAA?

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"finley martin" wrote:

I am looking for some used charts fo next summer's sailing season: BBA
chart kits for region 7 (Florida east coast and keys); region 6 ( Norfolk to
Jacksonville, Fla.); region 4 ( Chesepeake and Delaware Bays); and region 3
(New york, Nantucket, Cape May, NJ).

If anyone wants to part with theirs ... or knows where I can purchase them
... I'd appreciate a reply. Are there retail marine stores which deal in
used charts?

Instead of soliciting used and perhaps out-of-date charts, why don't
you just download the free up-to-date ones now made available by NOAA?

Maybe he, like me prefers paper charts.

krj wrote:
wrote:
"finley martin" wrote:

Maybe he, like me prefers paper charts.

You can also "Print" out the charts you download from the above site.
They are the most up to date charts around.

krj wrote:
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You can also "Print" out the charts you download from the above site.
They are the most up to date charts around.

Well, I've made "flip" books of electronic charts and they are great as
a cockpit piloting aid. However, for the pencil navigator they have
some problems:

1) Having them printed full size will likely cost more than buying full
sized used charts.
2) Printing them less than full size makes them harder to read, harder
to work on and results in less accurate chart work.
3) Printers can introduce errors including distortions, skipped areas,
smudged areas and ghosting. Navigators using LORAN need to take
particular care.
4) Paper and ink quality are likely to be inferior and less water
resistant than government printed charts.
5) Printing at home takes time and if high quality paper, ink and
coatings are used can be expensive, too.

So, buying used charts makes a good deal of sense to me when new charts
are not in the budget or as a back-up to an electronic chart plotting
system.

-- Tom.

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Instead of soliciting used and perhaps out-of-date charts, why don't
you just download the free up-to-date ones now made available by NOAA?



Hmm.....maybe because he isn't allowed to download them to his proprietary,
locked up GPS plotter in the boat without paying some cartography company
$120/chart they got for free at taxpayer expense?

I think that's a valid reason....(c;



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On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 13:14:39 -0500, Larry wrote:

Hmm.....maybe because he isn't allowed to download them to his proprietary,
locked up GPS plotter in the boat without paying some cartography company
$120/chart they got for free at taxpayer expense?

I think that's a valid reason....(c;

Not really.

You download them to an inexpensive laptop or two, and display and/or
print them with free or inexpensive software.

As we used to say in New York, free is a very good price.

Wayne.B wrote in
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Not really.

You download them to an inexpensive laptop or two, and display and/or
print them with free or inexpensive software.

As we used to say in New York, free is a very good price.




My point being someone needs write CHARTING software that interfaces these
free charts to PLOTTING, not just printing out.....

I've printed them and HAVE been successful to use them with the Yeoman
paper chart plotter board, however. Printing them big enough is a pain in
the ass, though. Cap'n Geoffrey has Maptech books for where we cruise
already preprogrammed for the Yeoman, so we use those. On the free charts,
you have to put 3 cardinal lat/long points into the Yeoman puck along a
right angle, then use those points to point the puck at and click to tell
the Yeoman computer This is A, This is B, This is C....then it's calibrated
to what you printed. You can store A,B and C and reuse them any time.

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 23:46:28 -0500, Larry wrote:

I've printed them and HAVE been successful to use them with the Yeoman
paper chart plotter board, however.

What is the attraction of the Yeoman if you have a computer on board
and electronic charts?

I plot using the software, works fine.

Wayne.B wrote in
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What is the attraction of the Yeoman if you have a computer on board
and electronic charts?

I plot using the software, works fine.


Make believe there's a hard drive crash and you lose it all....say 250
miles offshore. We use the Yeoman to plot our paper course and it's just
easier to use a full-size chart page to click waypoints and create routes
for the chart plotters, and computer, especially over long distances
where you have to zoom in, waypoint, zoom out, move, zoom in, waypoint,
etc. The puck makes it almost too easy.

It creates a permanent record of the trip on the velum overlay plotted
every hour. Picking up the pieces after and electronic catastrophy is
just getting the plotting board stuff out of the chart table and
unpacking the hand-held GPS. The handheld's GPS cable to the Yeoman is
tywrapped to the chart table bottom behind the Yeoman boards for such an
occasion. Just plug it in. If the Yeoman doesn't survive, the plot is
still done. The computer is not.

We were about 130 miles SSE of Charleston when one of the "real sailors",
who doesn't appreciate my electronic toys because he is afraid they will
make him look stupid, made a nasty comment about them, once too often. I
reached down through the hatch and pushed off the main electronics master
switch, which controls all DC to all instruments in the boat. It all
went dark. Cap'n Geoffrey looked at me and smirked. "I'm gonna take a
nap.", I told him. "Lemme know when he's really lost.", I said as I
headed to my beloved V-berth for some quality time. Mr "real sailor" and
his compass, sextant (it was cloudy, useless) and dead recon took over.
I kept a secret eye on him from my little GPS in my bunk. We were headed
for the Outer Banks of NC by morning. Cap'n Geoffrey just let him go on
navigating the vast ocean for a day in the dark. It was a good lesson
and noone has razzed me about the toys, since. When the offshore tower
lights didn't show up the next night, I pulled the switch back on and
replotted a course for Charleston Ship Channel to the NW....(c;

You might try it. Simulated a main battery short or flooding and see how
you do.

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 07:55:23 -0500, Larry wrote:

You might try it. Simulated a main battery short or flooding and see how
you do.

I didn't have to try it. A lightening strike on a wavetop 100 yards
away provided all the "simulation" we needed. I navigated the last
300 miles into Bermuda on a handheld GPS. That was in 1994 when
handhelds were still a novelty and cost mucho dinero.

No big deal. I had stored and logged all of the critical waypoints in
advance.

You still haven't convinced me that paper charts are better for route
plotting either. I'd be willing to challenge anyone to a little
exercise where we both plot something like a ten legged course over
multiple charts; log the lat/lon of all the waypoints; compute range
and course for each leg; and calculate total distance.