Capt. Rob wrote:
The Hunter 34 can certainly go offshore safely.

Capt Rob has taken a bit if flak as a result of posting the above
statement. I think the reason is that we are using terms like "go
offshore" pretty loosely since they can mean different things to
different people. Does it mean a N. Atlantic crossing in winter, a trip
down the coast or just getting out of the protected waters of your local
bay?

I know next to nothing about a Hunter 34, never having been aboard one,
but I have owned a Catalina 30 and have owned my current boat, a Tayana
37, for over 5 years and have sailed both of these boats extensively.

I suspect that my Catalina 30 was substantially similar in quality and
perhaps a bit less able in its safe passage ability than the H34 since
it was significantly smaller. We had the Catalina more than a 100 miles
offshore on a few occasions without problems and the Hunter is no doubt
perfectly capable of doing the same. These production boats are not
built to take the beating that severe mid-ocean storms can lash out, but
generally do just fine when cruising up and down the coast or doing
short crossings during the seasons when fair weather prevails. The
biggest problems we encountered with the Catalina were the lack of
tankage and storage.

Capt Rob has taken a bit if flak as a result of posting the above
statement. I think the reason is that we are using terms like "go
offshore" pretty loosely since they can mean different things to
different people.


Dan, while this is true and obvious, Jeff is not interested in that.
He's simply trolling. Of course a Hunter 34 can go offshore. And of
course it's not going to ride like a Block Island 40 or a Pearson
Wanderer for that matter. Jeff is only looking to attack me because I
gave him hell on Alt.sailing.asa and now I'm here posting normally. His
comment about a bunch of clowns laughing at the Hunter boats is all you
need to hear. Utter nonsense. I've heard a lot of bad stuff about
almost every make...even Swan. But the sheer and vast numbers of
popular brands like Hunter makes for many more negative stories than
companies which built fewer hulls. Even funnier, Jeff thinks we need to
hear his story about laughing sailors, but my client's experience
shouldn't be heard because I haven't sailed in big seas.
I spoke to Shaun off this group...he was curious about why the broker
on the 34 wasn't responding. I think they are worried he's a scammer.
We get a lot of phoney overseas queries on boats...almost always fakes.
He says there aren't any boats where he is that can offer what the H34
does at the price. Perhaps THAT is what needs to be examined more
closely....?


Robert
35s5
NY

The
biggest problems we encountered with the Catalina were the lack of
tankage and storage.




The most common complaint about the Catalina 27 and 30 for bigger
weather is the oversized companionway hatch. You really need to keep it
secured. I knew one fellow who had a one piece slab of lexan held in
place with SS pins on his C27. He had sailed the 27 to Florida from
City Island several times.

This is my Beneteau 35s5....next summer she'll finally get some short
trips in, the 1st to Block Island and the second to Martha's Vineyard.
I can't wait for Spring!
http://hometown.aol.com/bobsprit/index.html




Robert
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
The most common complaint about the Catalina 27 and 30 for bigger
weather is the oversized companionway hatch.

A good point and something shared by most of the coastal cruiser
production boats. Though we never got pooped in the Catalina, there
were a couple of times we secured the lower 2 hatch boards in place
"just in case".

The heaviest weather we ever sailed it in was one night while crossing
the Sea of Cortez to San Carlos over on the mainland side. We were told
they were measuring 40+ knots in the protected harbor and I can vouch
for the fact that it was blowing like snot out on the Sea. Perhaps my
most vivid memory from that night was the spray blowing off the tops of
the waves hitting the back of the hood of my foulies and sounding like
firecrackers going off right behind my ears. We had the wind and waves
a little forward of the beam, a triple reefed main and just a scrap of
jib rolled out. The boat (and us) came through it like a champ. About
dawn, the wind died as though someone threw a switch somewhere and we
wound up motoring into San Carlos's beautiful harbor.

Your 35s5 looks like a fun boat. We just completed a 2 year tour of the
Pacific (Mex. Central America, Ecuador, Galapagos, Fr. Poly., Tonga,
Hawaii and back to Calif.) 2 weeks ago in our Tayana. I'm way overdue
updating the photo site, but if you're interested, check out
http://triciajean192.home.comcast.net. The photo of us underway at the
top of the site was taken off the coast of Guatemala by our friends
Frank & Shirley on Windsong, an Islander Freeport (38', I think) that
also had that oversize companionway hatch that so many boats have. They
had been wandering around Baja, the Mexican mainland and Central America
for several years when we met them. The last email I received from them,
that had gone through the Panama Canal and were going to be heading for
the Carribean.

oly., Tonga,
Hawaii and back to Calif.) 2 weeks ago in our Tayana. I'm way overdue
updating the photo site, but if you're interested, check out




Dan....awesome!!! You've had some real adventures. I'm a big fan of the
Tayana boats. For a while, and for no practical reason, I considered
buying the pilot house version of the Tayana 37. I've got a thing for
the looking of PH boats, though your boat is equally beautiful. A
friend currently owns a blue-hulled Tayana 48 DS...but I much prefer
the older designs.



Robert
35s5
NY

"Dan Best" wrote in message
...
Capt. Rob wrote:
The Hunter 34 can certainly go offshore safely.

Capt Rob has taken a bit if flak as a result of posting the above
statement. I think the reason is that we are using terms like "go
offshore" pretty loosely since they can mean different things to different
people. Does it mean a N. Atlantic crossing in winter, a trip down the
coast or just getting out of the protected waters of your local bay?

Dan, he's a troll... I'm sure that this statement will incite a number of
replies of course. He's not a "Capt." either, btw.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Dan, he's a troll... I'm sure that this statement will incite a number
of
replies of course. He's not a "Capt." either, btw.



Dan, Jonathan Ganz is a troll from ASA who, along with several others,
followed me here from there to try to prevent any sailing discussion.
Watch and see who posts what.

Cheers,


Robert
35s5
NY

Dan, he's a troll...

Dan, (the other guy) is a troll...

In the couple of weeks I've been back, I've seen valid comments from
just about everybody as well as some irritating "he's a troll/no he's a
troll" bickering. That, quite frankly, I'd just as soon do without. A
lot of it seems hang on the questioning of someone's credentials. As
far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter. I don't care whether someone
taught the Pardeys everything they know or is just beginning. I've
learned something from people at both ends of the experience spectrum
and like to think that a few people have benefited from what I've had to
say from time to time.

Good advice is good advice and there are enough people hanging out here
that bad advice will be challenged and fail to be accepted. In fact
there are enough contrary people here that good advise is often
challenged. The difference is in whether or not it stands up to the
challenge and is generally accepted by the group as sound.

Claiming that someone can't have a valid opinion because he's never been
out of sight of land or doesn't have a captain's license is a pretty
poor way to debate an issue in my opinion.

Tell the original poster why you think (don't think) a hunter 34 is a
good offshore boat. If you wanna bash each other personally, I'd just
as soon you took it offline. Better yet, trade land addresses so you
can get together and really duke it out. Let me know when and where and
I'll even sell tickets to the event and split the proceeds with you (grin).

I concur
"Dan Best" wrote in message
...
Dan, he's a troll...

Dan, (the other guy) is a troll...

In the couple of weeks I've been back, I've seen valid comments from just
about everybody as well as some irritating "he's a troll/no he's a troll"
bickering. That, quite frankly, I'd just as soon do without. A lot of it
seems hang on the questioning of someone's credentials. As far as I'm
concerned, it doesn't matter. I don't care whether someone taught the
Pardeys everything they know or is just beginning. I've learned something
from people at both ends of the experience spectrum and like to think that
a few people have benefited from what I've had to say from time to time.

Good advice is good advice and there are enough people hanging out here
that bad advice will be challenged and fail to be accepted. In fact there
are enough contrary people here that good advise is often challenged. The
difference is in whether or not it stands up to the challenge and is
generally accepted by the group as sound.

Claiming that someone can't have a valid opinion because he's never been
out of sight of land or doesn't have a captain's license is a pretty poor
way to debate an issue in my opinion.

Tell the original poster why you think (don't think) a hunter 34 is a good
offshore boat. If you wanna bash each other personally, I'd just as soon
you took it offline. Better yet, trade land addresses so you can get
together and really duke it out. Let me know when and where and I'll even
sell tickets to the event and split the proceeds with you (grin).

"Dan Best" wrote in message
...

. Better yet, trade land addresses so you
can get together and really duke it out. Let me know when
and where and
I'll even sell tickets to the event and split the proceeds
with you (grin).


been there, done that, the so called ''Capt'' Rob chickened
out and never showed up.

SBV