On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 03:16:39 GMT, "John Gaquin" wrote:


"Charles Cox" wrote in message

It's happened to me a couple of times in Boston harbor. Not military
ships, but a cruise ship and LNG tanker both had security
zones around them. Since there is no warning on the VHF,

I can't address the cruise ships, but when those LNG tankers are moving in
Boston Harbor everybody in the world is notified. Twice. For days in
advance, and while moving. Those LNGs don't sneak up on anyone.

Not any more. They used to announce it in advance but for security it is kept secret now. Our sailing club used to let us know if
it was scheduled to move, but not any more. I monitor 16 whenever I'm out and there are no announcements. All communication in
regard to security is done via bullhorn.

--
Chuck Cox
SynchroSystems Motorsport Computers
Hopped/Up Racing Team

http://www.synchro.com

(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ...
I don't know if this article has been posted here yet but it's pretty
amazing. This guy tried to sail across a channel between a submarine
and a warship and didn't make it. The picture is pretty incredible.

http://www.thelognewspaper.com/news/...ew.asp?c=69150

Steve

Here in CT two more idiots drowned three miles out cause they were not
wearing pfd's... These guys had plenty of time as the boat went down
to make 911 calls and the seas were not harsh. Darwin is patting
himself on the back...
Scotty

"Rosalie B." wrote:

Incidentally - there was a letter in USAA news where a guy said that a
ship is not properly referred to as at the dock unless it is in dry
dock - that it is moored. Do you guys agree with that? (I think I'm
up to date on the difference between a ship and a boat, but I never
heard of that one.)

That's correct. Four decades ago, Navy ships in Norfolk were "moored" at
a "pier" as in "Go check out the Fletcher's radar, she's moored at the
D&S Pier"; but then "gay" meant happy, an "issue" was something we
disagreed on, not necessarily a problem, and editors had degrees in
English.

On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 06:11:24 GMT, "J. Slater"
wrote:

I have yet to encounter anyone of these restricted zoned vessels, but for
the channel I must traverse it would be catastrophic for my vessel to leave
the channel at any time, since with a draft of 6', and a mean depth of 3'
outside of the channel, you can use your imagination.

I don't run aground for anyone... (try not to anyways). If they start
shooting, well, then maybe. ;-)

In that case, you are also restricted to the channel and you'd have to
look for a different rule. Personally, I'd use the one "if he hit's me,
I'm gonna make a nice little paint mark on his bow as I'm going under"
to decide whether to be in the way or not. If it's a vessel where you
have to say 100 yards clear and you're both restricted to the channel, I
guess that means you aren't gonna be passing him. If he passes you and
gets closer than 100 yards, that's not your fault.

Steve


"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:30:57 GMT, "J. Slater"
wrote:

Answer me this: How does a vessel maintain 100 yards from a militaty
vessel
when passing in a channel that is less than 50 yards wide? The "rules"
don't seem to give a remedy for this kind of scenario. It should at
least
be mentioned as an exception.

Either you don't pass, or if you do want to pass, go out of the channel.
I'd guess that most of the boats people here own aren't restricted to
that channel.

Steve

In article , (Steven
Shelikoff) writes:

Answer me this: How does a vessel maintain 100 yards from a militaty vessel
when passing in a channel that is less than 50 yards wide? The "rules"
don't seem to give a remedy for this kind of scenario. It should at least
be mentioned as an exception.

Either you don't pass, or if you do want to pass, go out of the channel.
I'd guess that most of the boats people here own aren't restricted to
that channel.


Steve is correct, If my memory serves me right, no pleasure sailboat should
have had any trouble sailing north or south of the main channel. I have only
been out there once however.

Ted Edwards
Chatham Bound

"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 06:11:24 GMT, "J. Slater"
wrote:

I have yet to encounter anyone of these restricted zoned vessels, but for
the channel I must traverse it would be catastrophic for my vessel to
leave
the channel at any time, since with a draft of 6', and a mean depth of 3'
outside of the channel, you can use your imagination.

I don't run aground for anyone... (try not to anyways). If they start
shooting, well, then maybe. ;-)

In that case, you are also restricted to the channel and you'd have to
look for a different rule. Personally, I'd use the one "if he hit's me,
I'm gonna make a nice little paint mark on his bow as I'm going under"
to decide whether to be in the way or not. If it's a vessel where you
have to say 100 yards clear and you're both restricted to the channel, I
guess that means you aren't gonna be passing him. If he passes you and
gets closer than 100 yards, that's not your fault.


If you're in tight quarters with noplace to go, will any of these vessels
respond to VHF calls for advice on how to proceed?

We have one less cigarette boat out here on Clear Lake. Night before last,
one headed out from the Turtle Club, dropped off his two female passengers
(thankfully!) and headed out to Redfish Island in the dark. His navigation
wasn't too good... he rammed a couple of barges at full speed in the Houston
Ship Channel. The barges didn't flinch, but there were a lot of fiberglass
splinters in the water and one dead driver. At least he didn't take anybody
with him.

--


Keith
__
The facts, although interesting, are irrelevant.
"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message
om...
(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message
...
I don't know if this article has been posted here yet but it's pretty
amazing. This guy tried to sail across a channel between a submarine
and a warship and didn't make it. The picture is pretty incredible.

http://www.thelognewspaper.com/news/...ew.asp?c=69150

Steve

Here in CT two more idiots drowned three miles out cause they were not
wearing pfd's... These guys had plenty of time as the boat went down
to make 911 calls and the seas were not harsh. Darwin is patting
himself on the back...
Scotty

Doug Kanter wrote:




If you're in tight quarters with noplace to go, will any of these vessels
respond to VHF calls for advice on how to proceed?


They should, BUT, even though they have multiple radios on the bridge
which should be tuned to 16,13, sometimes they may be on another working
channel, for, say the tugs or pilots, etc., with the ones you need,
turned down.
Try and learn the other possibles for your area, and if you need to use
them, make it short and sweet.

otn

On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:25:27 -0500, "Keith"
wrote:
At least he didn't take anybody
with him.
============================

Yes, and the barges are OK also.

There is NO VHF warning. They lock down Boston Harbor and the Mystic River
with the LNG tankers.

"Rodney Myrvaagnes" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:19:39 GMT, Charles Cox
wrote:

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:30:57 GMT, "J. Slater"
wrote:


Answer me this: How does a vessel maintain 100 yards from a militaty
vessel
when passing in a channel that is less than 50 yards wide? The "rules"
don't seem to give a remedy for this kind of scenario. It should at
least
be mentioned as an exception.


It's happened to me a couple of times in Boston harbor. Not military
ships, but a cruise ship and LNG tanker both had security
zones around them. Since there is no warning on the VHF, it is easy to
get caught by a ship leaving one of the channels or the
Mystic river because they are not visible until they are entering the
main channel. In both cases, the police instructed (via
bullhorn) me to keep as far to the outside of the channel as possible.
Fortunately this has never happened when I was near the
airport security zone, one could easily find oneself caught in the middle
of two overlapping security zones.

I have never know a ship to cast off without an announcement on VHF13,
in, New York, Boston, or anywhere else. If you didn't know the names
of the ships, you might have missed the significance of the
announcements.



Rodney Myrvaagnes J36
Gjo/a


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