Small Sailboat wrote:
The problem, as I see it, is that putting in a deck pumpout fitting
means another hole in the boat. And holes in boats are VERY BAD.

A deck pumpout fitting is just what the name implies--a DECK fitting.
It's not a thru-hull...it's WAY above the waterline. It doesn't rely on
a seacock, it has a threaded cap with a rubber o-ring under it that
seals it.

The deck core is exposed, the fitting needs to be sealed...

With a proper bedding compound.


,, and who knows what down the line.

An occasional rebedding. Which is nothing compared to maintaining toilet
and tank.


And for what? So that a few gallons of poop can be pumped out? To
where?

To a sewage treatment plant that MAY treat it before it goes into the
water...unless the plant has a spill.

One boat had a very nice bucket. The Capt told me he uses the bucket
and throws the poop overboard.

Ok at sea beyond the "3 mile limit," but just as illegal as flushing a
toilet directly overboard or dumping a tank inside it.

Don't complain to me about it...I didn't write the laws, I'm just the
messenger who can only tell you what's legal and what's not.

Peggie


"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
m...
Sailboat wrote:
I have an old sailboat. The head doesn't have a holding tank.
It discharges overboard. I wonder, can I get a holding tank but
not drill through the deck for a pump out?
It depends on where you are. If you're in coastal water that
provide immediate access to open sea at least 3 miles from the
nearest point on the whole US coastline, you can get away with only
an overboard discharge for the tank. But if you're on inland waters
or a large bay that would make it impractical to get far enough
offshore to dump a tank legally, you'll have to have a pumpout
fitting.

The alternative would be some kind of setup that would allow the
pumpout to be connected directly to the tank or into it through a
cleanout port...but pumpout hoses dribble. I wouldn't think you
want to bring one into the boat.

Several others have suggested replacing your toilet with a
portapotty. If you won't use it much, that may be the best way to
go. However, if you have to carry it off the boat to empty it, you
don't want a tank bigger than 2-3 gallons...'cuz waste and water
weigh 8.333 lbs/gal, which would make a 5-6 gallon tank weigh about
50 lbs...a LOT to carry off the boat and haul up a dock.

Otoh, I don't know what the big deal is about putting in a deck
pumpout fitting. That's what 99% of all older boat owners have had
to do.

Tell me about holding tanks with old heads.
For starters, heads do have a finite lifespan....they wear out,
break...mfrs discontinue offering ANY parts for 'em. So depending
upon the make/model/age of yours, you're prob'ly better off
replacing it and starting ov4er with complete new system--toilet,
tank, plumbing etc.

As for connecting a tank to an old toilet, that's no different from
connecting a tank to new toilet. -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of
Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources
of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/books...ku=90&cat=1304

From what I read here, your reply and your listing as an expert on all
things poop, it seems to me you are in the turd business to make money. You
cavalierly write that a deck fitting is no big deal, just drill it, and cap
it. Sure,,, and when Mr Sailboat owner is facing a wet core deck, will you
be there to fix it?

And, for what. A pump out that almost every boat owner has but never uses?

This is beyond stupid. To spend all kinds of money, drill holes in the deck
of an old sailboat, so that a holding tank that will never get used is in
place is nutty.

If you are behind my boat and you see a blue bucket and it is being thrown
overboard ......... don't come to close.

This turds for you!

====================


"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
et...
Small Sailboat wrote:
The problem, as I see it, is that putting in a deck pumpout fitting
means another hole in the boat. And holes in boats are VERY BAD.

A deck pumpout fitting is just what the name implies--a DECK fitting.
It's not a thru-hull...it's WAY above the waterline. It doesn't rely on
a seacock, it has a threaded cap with a rubber o-ring under it that
seals it.

The deck core is exposed, the fitting needs to be sealed...

With a proper bedding compound.


,, and who knows what down the line.

An occasional rebedding. Which is nothing compared to maintaining toilet
and tank.


And for what? So that a few gallons of poop can be pumped out? To
where?

To a sewage treatment plant that MAY treat it before it goes into the
water...unless the plant has a spill.

One boat had a very nice bucket. The Capt told me he uses the bucket
and throws the poop overboard.

Ok at sea beyond the "3 mile limit," but just as illegal as flushing a
toilet directly overboard or dumping a tank inside it.

Don't complain to me about it...I didn't write the laws, I'm just the
messenger who can only tell you what's legal and what's not.

Peggie


"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
m...
Sailboat wrote:
I have an old sailboat. The head doesn't have a holding tank.
It discharges overboard. I wonder, can I get a holding tank but
not drill through the deck for a pump out?
It depends on where you are. If you're in coastal water that
provide immediate access to open sea at least 3 miles from the
nearest point on the whole US coastline, you can get away with only
an overboard discharge for the tank. But if you're on inland waters
or a large bay that would make it impractical to get far enough
offshore to dump a tank legally, you'll have to have a pumpout
fitting.

The alternative would be some kind of setup that would allow the
pumpout to be connected directly to the tank or into it through a
cleanout port...but pumpout hoses dribble. I wouldn't think you
want to bring one into the boat.

Several others have suggested replacing your toilet with a
portapotty. If you won't use it much, that may be the best way to
go. However, if you have to carry it off the boat to empty it, you
don't want a tank bigger than 2-3 gallons...'cuz waste and water
weigh 8.333 lbs/gal, which would make a 5-6 gallon tank weigh about
50 lbs...a LOT to carry off the boat and haul up a dock.

Otoh, I don't know what the big deal is about putting in a deck
pumpout fitting. That's what 99% of all older boat owners have had
to do.

Tell me about holding tanks with old heads.
For starters, heads do have a finite lifespan....they wear out,
break...mfrs discontinue offering ANY parts for 'em. So depending
upon the make/model/age of yours, you're prob'ly better off
replacing it and starting ov4er with complete new system--toilet,
tank, plumbing etc.

As for connecting a tank to an old toilet, that's no different from
connecting a tank to new toilet. -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of
Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources
of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/books...ku=90&cat=1304

"Benning Wentworth" wrote in message
news:njFSg.3012$8U2.2787@trndny08...
From what I read here, your reply and your listing as an expert on all
things poop, it seems to me you are in the turd business to make money.
You cavalierly write that a deck fitting is no big deal, just drill it,
and cap it. Sure,,, and when Mr Sailboat owner is facing a wet core deck,
will you be there to fix it?

And, for what. A pump out that almost every boat owner has but never
uses?

This is beyond stupid. To spend all kinds of money, drill holes in the
deck of an old sailboat, so that a holding tank that will never get used
is in place is nutty.

If you are behind my boat and you see a blue bucket and it is being thrown
overboard ......... don't come to close.

This turds for you!

====================

For what it's worth, sealing the core is really not difficult to do. Drill
the hole, apply epoxy to the core and let it soak in, reapplying it over the
fifteen minutes or so it takes to get tacky to ensure that the entire
exposed core surface takes all the epoxy it can, then bed the deck pump-out
fitting carefully.

Benning Wentworth fumed:
From what I read here, your reply and your listing as an expert on all
things poop, it seems to me you are in the turd business to make money.
You
cavalierly write that a deck fitting is no big deal, just drill it, and cap
it. Sure,,, and when Mr Sailboat owner is facing a wet core deck, will you
be there to fix it?

And, for what. A pump out that almost every boat owner has but never uses?

This is beyond stupid. To spend all kinds of money, drill holes in the
deck
of an old sailboat, so that a holding tank that will never get used is in
place is nutty.

If you are behind my boat and you see a blue bucket and it is being thrown
overboard ......... don't come to close.

This turds for you!

====================


"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
et...
Some helpful advice. snip

Every boat I have been on in awhile has had a head with holding tank and
deck pumpout. In each boat the head and tank normally gets used, as
does the pumpout. The boat I most frequently sail on usually has
multiple people on it at any time, and the pumpout gets used frequently.
With just a small amount of care and patience you can have a sealed core
and sealed deck fitting that will likely never leak and never get a wet
core from that fitting. If you think the rest of your old boat isn't
going to leak from factory installed fittings, winches, hatches,
windows, etc. you're dreamin...

And as for Peggy, she gives quite a lot of detailed help to people here,
and useful advice and information in general. And she hasn't asked for
anything in return. So there's no need to get yer shorts all in a knot.

So if you don't mind having a leaky pumpout hose down in the cabin
suckin your stuff out, along with the everpresent possibility of a nice
spill, then go for it. Or maybe you can get rid of that pesky head and
just take a dump in your bilge and use the bilge pump since the
odiferous effect in your boat will be the same.

Hrumpf! There is always a jackass in the group.

For what it is worth Peggie is well recognized in the marine business as an
expert in marine sanitation but she has been retired for a few years now so
she doesn't have any motive other than to try and help us avoid problems,
both sanitary and legal.

Installing a deck pump out is no big thing. Even with a cored deck you just
drill your hole through the top ply, dig out the core for half inch or so
around the hole, fill with epoxy and after it cures drill through. Then set
the fitting in a quality marine sealant. Except for the time required for
the epoxy to cure it will take maybe 20 minutes.

You better hope that nobody around you sees that blue bucket in use and
reports to the USCG or other authority or you will have a whole creek full
of it and no paddle to worry about rather than just a bucket.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

"

Benning Wentworth wrote:
From what I read here, your reply and your listing as an expert on
all things poop, it seems to me you are in the turd business to make
money.

And just what does it seem to you that I'm in the business to make money
on? I do get paid to consult, but that's all I do any more...and the
advice I offer here is free. So just what is it that you think I'm
trying to sell you?

You cavalierly write that a deck fitting is no big deal, just drill
it, and cap it. Sure,,, and when Mr Sailboat owner is facing a wet
core deck,

Not if you do it right. Or have it done by someone who does know how to
do it right. There are hundred of thousands of boats that have deck
pumpout fittings...I've yet to here of a single one that resulted in a
wet core.

will you be there to fix it?

If I were the one who installed it, yes.

If you are behind my boat and you see a blue bucket and it is being
thrown overboard ......... don't come to close.

You'd prob'ly be too intent on "shooting the messenger" that you won't
notice that I'd be upwind of you. ;}

Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of
Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources
of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/books...ku=90&cat=1304

Benning Wentworth wrote:
From what I read here, your reply and your listing as an expert on
all things poop, it seems to me you are in the turd business to make
money.

Yet another example of proving to the world what a total f**king idiot
you are.

Lew

Benning Wentworth wrote:
From what I read here, your reply and your listing as an expert on all
things poop,
And, for what. A pump out that almost every boat owner has but never uses?

If its the law you do it or pay the bucks to Uncle Sam. Kinda like pot.
Somoke it an themn pay the price if get caught.

This is beyond stupid. To spend all kinds of money, drill holes in the deck
of an old sailboat, so that a holding tank that will never get used is in
place is nutty.

Might take an afternoon. I just drilled my 1 7/8" inch hole, set the 1
1/2" bronze ftting in the hole and gooed amply with sikaflex 295 or
some number close to that. Oh, I forgot that I epoxy back filled the
balsa core that I chewed out about 1 inch. total time about 4 hours
with cure time and 4 beers. No big deal but very reasuring that my
through deck bronze is good fo 20 years.


If you are behind my boat and you see a blue bucket and it is being thrown
overboard ......... don't come to close.

Dont worry........ when out I rarley get more than vhf range to another
boat. Seems safer that way. Oh, and I never go scuba diving with a
"buddy." Thats the fastest way to get killed.

Bob

Capt. JG wrote:

Geez... remind me not to get on your boat until after it's been washed...
how about using one of those portable units instead.

Ya. but then ya gotta wash that out. I really dont enjoy swabing out a
head.
Besides havent ya ever heard of the phrase "**** on it?" there is a
reason those words have been around for so many years.
Bob

Yo Glenn ,,,, Assholemore .. when you start a reply by calling me a
Jackass, your posting can only go down hill. And your's did.

Do you think I sit on my "blue bucket" in my cockpit and take a ****?

I am crazy but not completely crazy.

What I do do ... get it ... dod dodododooddo ..... that is poop Glenn.

Take a **** in my bucket and then take my bucket up on deck, throw
overboard. Soon my bucket is back on deck, nice and clean.

No smell below, no flys below, no cleaning up the head which I use as a
flower pot or when ladies of the night and day join me on the water.

As for the hole in the boat, core issue. It is easy to put the hole in,
yes. But I hate drilling any holes in my boat; period.

I don't want to be a chapter in DIY the Marine Maintenance Magazine. "How I
fixed the core around my pump out hole".

====
"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
news:tYGSg.10831$rg1.1301@dukeread01...
Hrumpf! There is always a jackass in the group.

For what it is worth Peggie is well recognized in the marine business as
an expert in marine sanitation but she has been retired for a few years
now so she doesn't have any motive other than to try and help us avoid
problems, both sanitary and legal.

Installing a deck pump out is no big thing. Even with a cored deck you
just drill your hole through the top ply, dig out the core for half inch
or so around the hole, fill with epoxy and after it cures drill through.
Then set the fitting in a quality marine sealant. Except for the time
required for the epoxy to cure it will take maybe 20 minutes.

You better hope that nobody around you sees that blue bucket in use and
reports to the USCG or other authority or you will have a whole creek full
of it and no paddle to worry about rather than just a bucket.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

"