"sloop rig equipped with a fin keel"

AKA ,,, a lobster pot catcher. I was at the boatyard this week and there
were a whole bunch of fin keel boat on the hard. Everyone had some damage
to the fin, or rudder. The rudder's were not attached to the keel.


A full keel might not be as fast but it does have some advantages.


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wrote in message
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Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and what to stay
away from?

At this time, the best lead is to learn the ropes.

You can learn a lot by crewing on other people sailboats. By crewing you
will learn what you prefer and what the other boat owners like.

Most people prefer the sloop rig equipped with a fin keel. Other people
are going for the long keel and the facilities and ease of handling small
sails by having a cutter, yawl or ketch rig.

Today with the advent of the in mast furling main sail and furling jib a
wider stern hull the trend is slowly getting accepted.



"Brian Whatcott" wrote in message
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On 4 Aug 2006 22:50:44 -0700, "Praxi" wrote:

Hi all,

I'm new to sailing and I would like to buy a (used) boat between
30-35".

I'm looking for something that I can spend a couple nights on, now and
then, while on a trip; entertain my family, and friends, and maybe live
there for a week or so.

Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and what to stay
away from?

Maybe recommend some boats (brand, material, year, model, etc.) to look
for?

Thank you,


There's a school of thought that says a cheap old sailing dinghy is a
whole lot cheaper to bang around in, while learning the fine points.
Going fresh to a 32 ft sailboat can be done no doubt, but not by most
without a few expensive trips to the bank.

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

Years ago, according to Sailing magazine testing -- the fastest sailboat to
claw off a coast line (getting away from an rough and threatening coast
line) is a sloop rig with a fin keel.

As for the full keel and attached rudder I agreed that it will not act as a
lobster pot catcher the way the fin keel and suspended rudder are doing.
They only draw back I see is it may not turn as fast as the fin keel.
Nevertheless for long passage making it is still well preferred.




"Thomas Wentworth" wrote in message
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"sloop rig equipped with a fin keel"

AKA ,,, a lobster pot catcher. I was at the boatyard this week and there
were a whole bunch of fin keel boat on the hard. Everyone had some damage
to the fin, or rudder. The rudder's were not attached to the keel.


A full keel might not be as fast but it does have some advantages.


================================================== ======
wrote in message
...

Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and what to stay
away from?

At this time, the best lead is to learn the ropes.

You can learn a lot by crewing on other people sailboats. By crewing you
will learn what you prefer and what the other boat owners like.

Most people prefer the sloop rig equipped with a fin keel. Other people
are going for the long keel and the facilities and ease of handling small
sails by having a cutter, yawl or ketch rig.

Today with the advent of the in mast furling main sail and furling jib a
wider stern hull the trend is slowly getting accepted.



"Brian Whatcott" wrote in message
...
On 4 Aug 2006 22:50:44 -0700, "Praxi" wrote:

Hi all,

I'm new to sailing and I would like to buy a (used) boat between
30-35".

I'm looking for something that I can spend a couple nights on, now and
then, while on a trip; entertain my family, and friends, and maybe live
there for a week or so.

Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and what to stay
away from?

Maybe recommend some boats (brand, material, year, model, etc.) to look
for?

Thank you,


There's a school of thought that says a cheap old sailing dinghy is a
whole lot cheaper to bang around in, while learning the fine points.
Going fresh to a 32 ft sailboat can be done no doubt, but not by most
without a few expensive trips to the bank.

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

I've only caught one pot with my E 32. That was one with a plastic
jug for a buoy that had been punctured and dragged beneath the surface
where it tangled up in a bunch of others so the line was stretched out
of sight.

I'm sure I'll catch another one someday but I now have a hook knife
and the handling, maneuverability, and performance are features I'd
rather have than being able to blindly plow through pots.

--

Roger Long



wrote in message
...
Years ago, according to Sailing magazine testing -- the fastest
sailboat to claw off a coast line (getting away from an rough and
threatening coast line) is a sloop rig with a fin keel.

As for the full keel and attached rudder I agreed that it will not
act as a lobster pot catcher the way the fin keel and suspended
rudder are doing. They only draw back I see is it may not turn as
fast as the fin keel. Nevertheless for long passage making it is
still well preferred.




"Thomas Wentworth" wrote in message
news:442Bg.60$AF1.49@trndny03...
"sloop rig equipped with a fin keel"

AKA ,,, a lobster pot catcher. I was at the boatyard this week and
there were a whole bunch of fin keel boat on the hard. Everyone
had some damage to the fin, or rudder. The rudder's were not
attached to the keel.


A full keel might not be as fast but it does have some advantages.


================================================== ======
wrote in message
...

Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and what to
stay
away from?

At this time, the best lead is to learn the ropes.

You can learn a lot by crewing on other people sailboats. By
crewing you will learn what you prefer and what the other boat
owners like.

Most people prefer the sloop rig equipped with a fin keel. Other
people are going for the long keel and the facilities and ease of
handling small sails by having a cutter, yawl or ketch rig.

Today with the advent of the in mast furling main sail and furling
jib a wider stern hull the trend is slowly getting accepted.



"Brian Whatcott" wrote in message
...
On 4 Aug 2006 22:50:44 -0700, "Praxi" wrote:

Hi all,

I'm new to sailing and I would like to buy a (used) boat between
30-35".

I'm looking for something that I can spend a couple nights on,
now and
then, while on a trip; entertain my family, and friends, and
maybe live
there for a week or so.

Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and what to
stay
away from?

Maybe recommend some boats (brand, material, year, model, etc.)
to look
for?

Thank you,


There's a school of thought that says a cheap old sailing dinghy
is a
whole lot cheaper to bang around in, while learning the fine
points.
Going fresh to a 32 ft sailboat can be done no doubt, but not by
most
without a few expensive trips to the bank.

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

Roger Long wrote:
I've only caught one pot with my E 32. That was one with a plastic
jug for a buoy that had been punctured and dragged beneath the surface
where it tangled up in a bunch of others so the line was stretched out
of sight.

I'm sure I'll catch another one someday but I now have a hook knife
and the handling, maneuverability, and performance are features I'd
rather have than being able to blindly plow through pots.

In fact, the best cruisers are somewhere between being a fin keel, spade
rudder setup. Look at the hulls of Valiant and Pacific Seacraft. I
believe they are a very good compromise.

Furthermore, in my experience with both a fin keeler and full keeled
boat, the snag crab pots and kelp at about the same frequency. That
would be almost every time you run over one. The lobster pot business
is not a good way to choose a hull design.

Hitting logs with a spade rudder, that is a different story........

Gary

"Gary" wrote

In fact, the best cruisers are somewhere between being a fin keel,
spade rudder setup. Look at the hulls of Valiant and Pacific
Seacraft. I believe they are a very good compromise.


That pretty much describes the E 32 underbody.

--

Roger Long

At our club when everyone else is heeling with the rub rail close to the
water and getting their ears wet, our friend in his E32 sails along with
minimum listing of 15 to 20 degrees.

"Roger Long" wrote in message
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"Gary" wrote

In fact, the best cruisers are somewhere between being a fin keel, spade
rudder setup. Look at the hulls of Valiant and Pacific Seacraft. I
believe they are a very good compromise.


That pretty much describes the E 32 underbody.

--

Roger Long

wrote

At our club when everyone else is heeling with the rub rail close to
the water and getting their ears wet, our friend in his E32 sails
along with minimum listing of 15 to 20 degrees.


I find that a extremely interesting comment. I never race so I
haven't been able to compare the E32 to other boats. My impression is
that the E32 is not a very stiff boat due to heavy construction and a
lot of volume in the keel (a heritage from the keel / centerboard
original design) that reduces its effectiveness. 20 degree heel with
130% Genoa is reached at lower wind speeds than what I would expect
from my long ago yacht designing days.

I'm usually heeled more than other boats but I tend to be a hard
driver and the boat goes very well at 30 degrees. Displacement alone
is one contributor to stiffness so the E32 might compare well in heel
to a very light boat of the same sail area even though the more modern
one was wider and stiffer.

It's not a fast boat by racing standards but that just means it's 5%
slower in a lot of conditions than a racing type. At the same time,
it's 5% faster than a lot of traditional cruisers of the same motion
comfort and lack of pounding as they go to windward.

Good compromise if you ask me.

--

Roger Long

Roger Long wrote:
"Gary" wrote

In fact, the best cruisers are somewhere between being a fin keel,
spade rudder setup. Look at the hulls of Valiant and Pacific
Seacraft. I believe they are a very good compromise.


That pretty much describes the E 32 underbody.

Modified fin keel which describes my Tayana 42. I'm sold on this as the
best compromise.

Roger Long wrote:
"Gary" wrote


In fact, the best cruisers are somewhere between being a fin keel,
spade rudder setup. Look at the hulls of Valiant and Pacific
Seacraft. I believe they are a very good compromise.



That pretty much describes the E 32 underbody.

If you go to:

http://www.image-ination.com/sailcalc.html

You can look at the numbers of hundreds of boats. I compared your E 32
with my Truant 33 and they are remarkably similar.

Gary

What's a Truant 33? I never heard of one and Google doesn't turn
anything up.

--

Roger Long



"Gary" wrote in message
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Roger Long wrote:
"Gary" wrote


In fact, the best cruisers are somewhere between being a fin keel,
spade rudder setup. Look at the hulls of Valiant and Pacific
Seacraft. I believe they are a very good compromise.



That pretty much describes the E 32 underbody.

If you go to:

http://www.image-ination.com/sailcalc.html

You can look at the numbers of hundreds of boats. I compared your E
32 with my Truant 33 and they are remarkably similar.

Gary