I've only caught one pot with my E 32. That was one with a plastic
jug for a buoy that had been punctured and dragged beneath the surface
where it tangled up in a bunch of others so the line was stretched out
of sight.

I'm sure I'll catch another one someday but I now have a hook knife
and the handling, maneuverability, and performance are features I'd
rather have than being able to blindly plow through pots.

--

Roger Long



wrote in message
...
Years ago, according to Sailing magazine testing -- the fastest
sailboat to claw off a coast line (getting away from an rough and
threatening coast line) is a sloop rig with a fin keel.

As for the full keel and attached rudder I agreed that it will not
act as a lobster pot catcher the way the fin keel and suspended
rudder are doing. They only draw back I see is it may not turn as
fast as the fin keel. Nevertheless for long passage making it is
still well preferred.




"Thomas Wentworth" wrote in message
news:442Bg.60$AF1.49@trndny03...
"sloop rig equipped with a fin keel"

AKA ,,, a lobster pot catcher. I was at the boatyard this week and
there were a whole bunch of fin keel boat on the hard. Everyone
had some damage to the fin, or rudder. The rudder's were not
attached to the keel.


A full keel might not be as fast but it does have some advantages.


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wrote in message
...

Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and what to
stay
away from?

At this time, the best lead is to learn the ropes.

You can learn a lot by crewing on other people sailboats. By
crewing you will learn what you prefer and what the other boat
owners like.

Most people prefer the sloop rig equipped with a fin keel. Other
people are going for the long keel and the facilities and ease of
handling small sails by having a cutter, yawl or ketch rig.

Today with the advent of the in mast furling main sail and furling
jib a wider stern hull the trend is slowly getting accepted.



"Brian Whatcott" wrote in message
...
On 4 Aug 2006 22:50:44 -0700, "Praxi" wrote:

Hi all,

I'm new to sailing and I would like to buy a (used) boat between
30-35".

I'm looking for something that I can spend a couple nights on,
now and
then, while on a trip; entertain my family, and friends, and
maybe live
there for a week or so.

Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and what to
stay
away from?

Maybe recommend some boats (brand, material, year, model, etc.)
to look
for?

Thank you,


There's a school of thought that says a cheap old sailing dinghy
is a
whole lot cheaper to bang around in, while learning the fine
points.
Going fresh to a 32 ft sailboat can be done no doubt, but not by
most
without a few expensive trips to the bank.

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

wrote:
Years ago, according to Sailing magazine testing -- the fastest sailboat to
claw off a coast line (getting away from an rough and threatening coast
line) is a sloop rig with a fin keel.

As for the full keel and attached rudder I agreed that it will not act as a
lobster pot catcher the way the fin keel and suspended rudder are doing.
They only draw back I see is it may not turn as fast as the fin keel.
Nevertheless for long passage making it is still well preferred.
Won't turn as fast;
Won't sail as fast;
More hull to sand and paint;
Much heavier displacement;
Wetter ride in heavy weather; and
Much heavier gear (more expensive) for a given size boat.

That being said, the Folkboat and its derivatives (Contessa 26,
Vancouver 26, Marie Holm) are some of the most attractive and seaworthy
boats around.

Gary




"Thomas Wentworth" wrote in message
news:442Bg.60$AF1.49@trndny03...

Brian Whatcott wrote:
On 4 Aug 2006 22:50:44 -0700, "Praxi" wrote:

Hi all,

I'm new to sailing and I would like to buy a (used) boat between
30-35".

I'm looking for something that I can spend a couple nights on, now and
then, while on a trip; entertain my family, and friends, and maybe live
there for a week or so.

Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and what to stay
away from?

Maybe recommend some boats (brand, material, year, model, etc.) to look
for?

Thank you,


There's a school of thought that says a cheap old sailing dinghy is a
whole lot cheaper to bang around in, while learning the fine points.
Going fresh to a 32 ft sailboat can be done no doubt, but not by most
without a few expensive trips to the bank.

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

Brian,

You hit the nail right on the head, a first boat should always be a
small one. Your going to learn from it, and it's going to cost you a
lot less, with a small boat, when you screw up, AND YOU WILL SCREW UP.
Bump into a pole, or another boat, while manuvering in a crowded cove
or marina with a small boat, and most cases you end up with little more
than a brused ego. Do the same thing with a 35 foot boat, and it's a
whole differant ball game. Make no mistake about it, a 30 plus foot
boat, for a first boat, is a very big boat. I've seen people get away
with it, and every one of them thought they were doing a wounderful
job, but those people sent shivers down everyones spine when they saw
them comming.

John

"Praxi" wrote:


I'm new to sailing and I would like to buy a (used) boat between
30-35".

I'm looking for something that I can spend a couple nights on, now and
then, while on a trip; entertain my family, and friends, and maybe live
there for a week or so.

Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and what to stay
away from?


I started with a 30ft boat, I don't regret it.

Very easy to single hand and find overnight dockage when on cruise.

If it were me, I'd try to find a decent used 30ft Catalina.

There are lots of them around, won't cost a lot of money and be easy
to sell for what you paid for it when you want to get out.

Lew

In article .com,
"Praxi" wrote:

Hi all,

I'm new to sailing and I would like to buy a (used) boat between
30-35".

I'm looking for something that I can spend a couple nights on, now and
then, while on a trip; entertain my family, and friends, and maybe live
there for a week or so.

Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and what to stay
away from?

Maybe recommend some boats (brand, material, year, model, etc.) to look
for?

Thank you,

YOu give us very little information about yourself. Where is this boat
going to be used? Do you need a shower (I would during a week)? Do you
want hot water (I guess you might if you plan to cook and clean). Are
you tall or short (some care about headroom).

I tried to overnight on my J/100 last night for the first time and had
to call it quits because of overheating and stale air. There was little
air circulation.

Which brings me to my point. Air circulation is rarely considered by
folks buying a boat. Yet, if you are planning to overnight, weekend, or
live aboard, it is likely going to be very important to your long term
enjoyment of your boat.

I don't know what you know about air circulation but the amount of air
circulating in a boat has to do with the amount of free ventilation
(screens cut the area in half) and location (you need as much exhaust
air ventilation as incoming air). That is why many (but not all) boats
have vents on either side of the cabin.

Good luck.

H

--
To respond, obviously drop the "nospan"?

"Praxi" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi all,

I'm new to sailing and I would like to buy a (used) boat between
30-35".

I'm looking for something that I can spend a couple nights on, now and
then, while on a trip; entertain my family, and friends, and maybe live
there for a week or so.

Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and what to stay
away from?

Maybe recommend some boats (brand, material, year, model, etc.) to look
for?

Thank you,

At the risk of starting an old religeous war, I would suggest you look at
the Gemini or PDQ series of catamrans. A Gemini was the first sailboat I
got with my wife. She loved it because it didn't heel. I loved it because
I got to sail a lot on it .... because she liked it. We liked it beacuase
it had significantly more liveable space than any mono hull in her class.
There are many narrow minded people on both sides of the mono / multi hull
debate. Listen to what each has to say. Don't take anyone too seriously.
I spend many years owning monohulls. Because my wife was happier on the
multi, I covered many more miles in them.

If you are new, these small cruising cats (Gemini, PDQ) are a great way to
get started ---- and they will serve you for a long time. They are great
local sailboats that are also great low budget cruising boats. I have seen
them migrating up and down the East coast and throughout the Bahamas.
Worth taking a look.

gemini - www.geminicatamarans.com/
pdq - http://www.pdqyachts.com/sail/index.html

for a look at some in the used market - one broker I have used -
http://www.2hulls.com/salecat.html

On 4 Aug 2006 22:50:44 -0700, "Praxi" wrote:

Hi all,

I'm new to sailing and I would like to buy a (used) boat between
30-35".

I'm looking for something that I can spend a couple nights on, now and
then, while on a trip; entertain my family, and friends, and maybe live
there for a week or so.

Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and what to stay
away from?

Maybe recommend some boats (brand, material, year, model, etc.) to look
for?

I suggest you charter boats for a few trips - you can try a variety of
boats in various sizes to see what works best for you.



--
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI
peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca
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GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter
Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca

On Sat, 05 Aug 2006 16:26:25 -0700, Peter Bennett
wrote:

I suggest you charter boats for a few trips - you can try a variety of
boats in various sizes to see what works best for you.

And *that* is really good advice.

You really don't know what is important to you on a boat until you've
lived with it for awhile.

In article .com,
Peter Bennett wrote:

I suggest you charter boats for a few trips - you can try a variety of
boats in various sizes to see what works best for you.


OR crew on racing boats: Not only gives you an idea of what's out there
and what works *for you*, but you gain valuable instruction fast. The
Wednesday night "beer races" may be your best bet as they're often
looking for willing victims, so you'll likely have many boats to choose
from.

Just realize that the friendliest, mildest-mannered person becomes
"Captain Bligh" during the race. They usually apologize afterwards, but
it's almost impossible to push a boat to its best without high energy.

That said, our lovely lady does everything the OP mentioned, plus. Our
next big trip, scheduled for when I'm next between jobs, will be the two
of us in the Bahamas for a few months.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

You can buy boats in this size range from about $5000 to $300,000, did you
have a budget in mind? Where will you sail? Small lake, big lake, ocean?
Do you need dockage and or winter storage, have you priced these? There is
a serviceable, rugged 22' Hurley F/S at Ithaca, NY, for $2000, winter
storage is $900.
Lee Haefele
"Praxi" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi all,

I'm new to sailing and I would like to buy a (used) boat between
30-35".

I'm looking for something that I can spend a couple nights on, now and
then, while on a trip; entertain my family, and friends, and maybe live
there for a week or so.

Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and what to stay
away from?

Maybe recommend some boats (brand, material, year, model, etc.) to look
for?

Thank you,