Hi all,

I'm new to sailing and I would like to buy a (used) boat between
30-35".

I'm looking for something that I can spend a couple nights on, now and
then, while on a trip; entertain my family, and friends, and maybe live
there for a week or so.

Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and what to stay
away from?

Maybe recommend some boats (brand, material, year, model, etc.) to look
for?

Thank you,

I suggest you read this to start in order to get some idea of what
lies ahead and the intimidating economics of buying a used boat.

http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Boat2.htm

--

Roger Long



"Praxi" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi all,

I'm new to sailing and I would like to buy a (used) boat between
30-35".

I'm looking for something that I can spend a couple nights on, now
and
then, while on a trip; entertain my family, and friends, and maybe
live
there for a week or so.

Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and what to
stay
away from?

Maybe recommend some boats (brand, material, year, model, etc.) to
look
for?

Thank you,

At our club we have a sailboat like your and it owner like it a lot.
I am on the market for another sailboat.
I visited http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Boat2.htm and found it very
interesting.
I wonder if you could gave a picture of the financial implication in
purchasing your pre - owned sailboat like you did.
That is the purchased price along with all the refurbishing and upgrading
you have done to bring the sailboat to the stage it is now.
The learning curve to know what to and how to fix and repair may be hard to
establish.
The idea is If I purchase a pre - owned sailboat how much should I allocate
for sprucing up the boat and make to necessary repair like the stern tube
and other things.
Over here the insurance companies do require a boat survey when the boat is
20 years old. The surveyor gets pay a percentage of the evaluated
replacement value of the boat. Then the insurance companies decide the
premium to be paid.


"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
I suggest you read this to start in order to get some idea of what
lies ahead and the intimidating economics of buying a used boat.

http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Boat2.htm

--

Roger Long



"Praxi" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi all,

I'm new to sailing and I would like to buy a (used) boat between
30-35".

I'm looking for something that I can spend a couple nights on, now
and
then, while on a trip; entertain my family, and friends, and maybe
live
there for a week or so.

Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and what to
stay
away from?

Maybe recommend some boats (brand, material, year, model, etc.) to
look
for?

Thank you,

If your budget has hard limits, I would suggest spending only half of
it on the purchase, no matter how good the survey and how good the
boat looks if the boat is over 10 - 15 years old.

OTOH I'm glad we didn't follow this rule because we would only have
bought half as much boat.

--

Roger Long



wrote in message
...
At our club we have a sailboat like your and it owner like it a lot.
I am on the market for another sailboat.
I visited http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Boat2.htm and found it very
interesting.
I wonder if you could gave a picture of the financial implication in
purchasing your pre - owned sailboat like you did.
That is the purchased price along with all the refurbishing and
upgrading you have done to bring the sailboat to the stage it is
now.
The learning curve to know what to and how to fix and repair may be
hard to establish.
The idea is If I purchase a pre - owned sailboat how much should I
allocate for sprucing up the boat and make to necessary repair like
the stern tube and other things.
Over here the insurance companies do require a boat survey when the
boat is 20 years old. The surveyor gets pay a percentage of the
evaluated replacement value of the boat. Then the insurance
companies decide the premium to be paid.


"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
I suggest you read this to start in order to get some idea of what
lies ahead and the intimidating economics of buying a used boat.

http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Boat2.htm

--

Roger Long



"Praxi" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi all,

I'm new to sailing and I would like to buy a (used) boat between
30-35".

I'm looking for something that I can spend a couple nights on, now
and
then, while on a trip; entertain my family, and friends, and maybe
live
there for a week or so.

Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and what to
stay
away from?

Maybe recommend some boats (brand, material, year, model, etc.) to
look
for?

Thank you,

One must bear in mind that a marine surveyor is only responsible for what he
can see.
The hidden defect and fibreglass rot are not always detected. A good
example is the stern rubber hose connecting the boat hull to the shaft. If
this hose lets go water start to get into the boat very quickly. The same
thing applies to the exhaust hoses. These hoses are hard to reach and a
visual check is not good, you have to reach them and strongly feel them all
around top and bottom. On some boat you can not reach them at all. Last
year my friend boat checked his hoses and he stated that the hoses look
pretty good. I replied, impossible, not after 23 years of service. We took
the hoses out. Yes, the hoses were rotten and were replaced with the new
approved hoses.

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
If your budget has hard limits, I would suggest spending only half of it
on the purchase, no matter how good the survey and how good the boat looks
if the boat is over 10 - 15 years old.

OTOH I'm glad we didn't follow this rule because we would only have bought
half as much boat.

--

Roger Long



wrote in message
...
At our club we have a sailboat like your and it owner like it a lot.
I am on the market for another sailboat.
I visited http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Boat2.htm and found it very
interesting.
I wonder if you could gave a picture of the financial implication in
purchasing your pre - owned sailboat like you did.
That is the purchased price along with all the refurbishing and upgrading
you have done to bring the sailboat to the stage it is now.
The learning curve to know what to and how to fix and repair may be hard
to establish.
The idea is If I purchase a pre - owned sailboat how much should I
allocate for sprucing up the boat and make to necessary repair like the
stern tube and other things.
Over here the insurance companies do require a boat survey when the boat
is 20 years old. The surveyor gets pay a percentage of the evaluated
replacement value of the boat. Then the insurance companies decide the
premium to be paid.


"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
I suggest you read this to start in order to get some idea of what
lies ahead and the intimidating economics of buying a used boat.

http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Boat2.htm

--

Roger Long



"Praxi" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi all,

I'm new to sailing and I would like to buy a (used) boat between
30-35".

I'm looking for something that I can spend a couple nights on, now
and
then, while on a trip; entertain my family, and friends, and maybe
live
there for a week or so.

Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and what to
stay
away from?

Maybe recommend some boats (brand, material, year, model, etc.) to
look
for?

Thank you,

See he

http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Strider0605.htm

--

Roger Long



wrote in message
...
One must bear in mind that a marine surveyor is only responsible for
what he can see.
The hidden defect and fibreglass rot are not always detected. A
good example is the stern rubber hose connecting the boat hull to
the shaft. If this hose lets go water start to get into the boat
very quickly. The same thing applies to the exhaust hoses. These
hoses are hard to reach and a visual check is not good, you have to
reach them and strongly feel them all around top and bottom. On
some boat you can not reach them at all. Last year my friend boat
checked his hoses and he stated that the hoses look pretty good. I
replied, impossible, not after 23 years of service. We took the
hoses out. Yes, the hoses were rotten and were replaced with the
new approved hoses.

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
If your budget has hard limits, I would suggest spending only half
of it on the purchase, no matter how good the survey and how good
the boat looks if the boat is over 10 - 15 years old.

OTOH I'm glad we didn't follow this rule because we would only have
bought half as much boat.

--

Roger Long



wrote in message
...
At our club we have a sailboat like your and it owner like it a
lot.
I am on the market for another sailboat.
I visited http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Boat2.htm and found it
very interesting.
I wonder if you could gave a picture of the financial implication
in purchasing your pre - owned sailboat like you did.
That is the purchased price along with all the refurbishing and
upgrading you have done to bring the sailboat to the stage it is
now.
The learning curve to know what to and how to fix and repair may
be hard to establish.
The idea is If I purchase a pre - owned sailboat how much should I
allocate for sprucing up the boat and make to necessary repair
like the stern tube and other things.
Over here the insurance companies do require a boat survey when
the boat is 20 years old. The surveyor gets pay a percentage of
the evaluated replacement value of the boat. Then the insurance
companies decide the premium to be paid.


"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
I suggest you read this to start in order to get some idea of what
lies ahead and the intimidating economics of buying a used boat.

http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Boat2.htm

--

Roger Long



"Praxi" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi all,

I'm new to sailing and I would like to buy a (used) boat between
30-35".

I'm looking for something that I can spend a couple nights on,
now
and
then, while on a trip; entertain my family, and friends, and
maybe
live
there for a week or so.

Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and what
to
stay
away from?

Maybe recommend some boats (brand, material, year, model, etc.)
to
look
for?

Thank you,

On 4 Aug 2006 22:50:44 -0700, "Praxi" wrote:

Hi all,

I'm new to sailing and I would like to buy a (used) boat between
30-35".

I'm looking for something that I can spend a couple nights on, now and
then, while on a trip; entertain my family, and friends, and maybe live
there for a week or so.

Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and what to stay
away from?

Maybe recommend some boats (brand, material, year, model, etc.) to look
for?

Thank you,


There's a school of thought that says a cheap old sailing dinghy is a
whole lot cheaper to bang around in, while learning the fine points.
Going fresh to a 32 ft sailboat can be done no doubt, but not by most
without a few expensive trips to the bank.

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and what to stay
away from?

At this time, the best lead is to learn the ropes.

You can learn a lot by crewing on other people sailboats. By crewing you
will learn what you prefer and what the other boat owners like.

Most people prefer the sloop rig equipped with a fin keel. Other people are
going for the long keel and the facilities and ease of handling small sails
by having a cutter, yawl or ketch rig.

Today with the advent of the in mast furling main sail and furling jib a
wider stern hull the trend is slowly getting accepted.



"Brian Whatcott" wrote in message
...
On 4 Aug 2006 22:50:44 -0700, "Praxi" wrote:

Hi all,

I'm new to sailing and I would like to buy a (used) boat between
30-35".

I'm looking for something that I can spend a couple nights on, now and
then, while on a trip; entertain my family, and friends, and maybe live
there for a week or so.

Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and what to stay
away from?

Maybe recommend some boats (brand, material, year, model, etc.) to look
for?

Thank you,


There's a school of thought that says a cheap old sailing dinghy is a
whole lot cheaper to bang around in, while learning the fine points.
Going fresh to a 32 ft sailboat can be done no doubt, but not by most
without a few expensive trips to the bank.

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

"sloop rig equipped with a fin keel"

AKA ,,, a lobster pot catcher. I was at the boatyard this week and there
were a whole bunch of fin keel boat on the hard. Everyone had some damage
to the fin, or rudder. The rudder's were not attached to the keel.


A full keel might not be as fast but it does have some advantages.


================================================== ======
wrote in message
...

Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and what to stay
away from?

At this time, the best lead is to learn the ropes.

You can learn a lot by crewing on other people sailboats. By crewing you
will learn what you prefer and what the other boat owners like.

Most people prefer the sloop rig equipped with a fin keel. Other people
are going for the long keel and the facilities and ease of handling small
sails by having a cutter, yawl or ketch rig.

Today with the advent of the in mast furling main sail and furling jib a
wider stern hull the trend is slowly getting accepted.



"Brian Whatcott" wrote in message
...
On 4 Aug 2006 22:50:44 -0700, "Praxi" wrote:

Hi all,

I'm new to sailing and I would like to buy a (used) boat between
30-35".

I'm looking for something that I can spend a couple nights on, now and
then, while on a trip; entertain my family, and friends, and maybe live
there for a week or so.

Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and what to stay
away from?

Maybe recommend some boats (brand, material, year, model, etc.) to look
for?

Thank you,


There's a school of thought that says a cheap old sailing dinghy is a
whole lot cheaper to bang around in, while learning the fine points.
Going fresh to a 32 ft sailboat can be done no doubt, but not by most
without a few expensive trips to the bank.

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

Years ago, according to Sailing magazine testing -- the fastest sailboat to
claw off a coast line (getting away from an rough and threatening coast
line) is a sloop rig with a fin keel.

As for the full keel and attached rudder I agreed that it will not act as a
lobster pot catcher the way the fin keel and suspended rudder are doing.
They only draw back I see is it may not turn as fast as the fin keel.
Nevertheless for long passage making it is still well preferred.




"Thomas Wentworth" wrote in message
news:442Bg.60$AF1.49@trndny03...
"sloop rig equipped with a fin keel"

AKA ,,, a lobster pot catcher. I was at the boatyard this week and there
were a whole bunch of fin keel boat on the hard. Everyone had some damage
to the fin, or rudder. The rudder's were not attached to the keel.


A full keel might not be as fast but it does have some advantages.


================================================== ======
wrote in message
...

Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and what to stay
away from?

At this time, the best lead is to learn the ropes.

You can learn a lot by crewing on other people sailboats. By crewing you
will learn what you prefer and what the other boat owners like.

Most people prefer the sloop rig equipped with a fin keel. Other people
are going for the long keel and the facilities and ease of handling small
sails by having a cutter, yawl or ketch rig.

Today with the advent of the in mast furling main sail and furling jib a
wider stern hull the trend is slowly getting accepted.



"Brian Whatcott" wrote in message
...
On 4 Aug 2006 22:50:44 -0700, "Praxi" wrote:

Hi all,

I'm new to sailing and I would like to buy a (used) boat between
30-35".

I'm looking for something that I can spend a couple nights on, now and
then, while on a trip; entertain my family, and friends, and maybe live
there for a week or so.

Can someone give me some leads as to what to look for and what to stay
away from?

Maybe recommend some boats (brand, material, year, model, etc.) to look
for?

Thank you,


There's a school of thought that says a cheap old sailing dinghy is a
whole lot cheaper to bang around in, while learning the fine points.
Going fresh to a 32 ft sailboat can be done no doubt, but not by most
without a few expensive trips to the bank.

Brian Whatcott Altus OK