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Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
There has been a Canadian flag mega yacht in the 150 – 200 class named
"Floridan" tied up in Portland for the past couple weeks. It’s about as big a private yacht as I’ve seen up this way in the past couple years. I was heading back in today solo and close hauled in a good fresh breeze with the boat working hard under two reefs and hoping to clear Ram Island without having to make a short tack. The "Floridan" was coming out and settled on exactly the opposing course with her stemhead exactly lined up with her mast. I watched for a long time thinking they must take a slight deviation out into the 3000 or so miles of open water to their starboard but the angle never changed. Finally, at about half a mile, I eased the sheets and bore off until I could at least could see a little angle on the hull and it wasn’t like staring directly down the sights of a shotgun from the wrong end. Cursing the loss of 100 yards on what was going to be a pretty tight squeak to clear the island, I watched her pass about 100 feet off my beam. Then, I got to deal with the wake of a large displacement hull going nearly hull speed on top of an already considerable sea. The captain was standing on the bridge wing having a ciggy with the autopilot on and never even waved. As someone said, Yes, the rich are different than you and I. Keep an eye out for this turkey if you’re cruising downeast. It’s a bad one. -- Roger Long |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
"Roger Long" wrote in message
... There has been a Canadian flag mega yacht in the 150 - 200 class named "Floridan" tied up in Portland for the past couple weeks. It's about as big a private yacht as I've seen up this way in the past couple years. I was heading back in today solo and close hauled in a good fresh breeze with the boat working hard under two reefs and hoping to clear Ram Island without having to make a short tack. The "Floridan" was coming out and settled on exactly the opposing course with her stemhead exactly lined up with her mast. I watched for a long time thinking they must take a slight deviation out into the 3000 or so miles of open water to their starboard but the angle never changed. Finally, at about half a mile, I eased the sheets and bore off until I could at least could see a little angle on the hull and it wasn't like staring directly down the sights of a shotgun from the wrong end. Cursing the loss of 100 yards on what was going to be a pretty tight squeak to clear the island, I watched her pass about 100 feet off my beam. Then, I got to deal with the wake of a large displacement hull going nearly hull speed on top of an already considerable sea. The captain was standing on the bridge wing having a ciggy with the autopilot on and never even waved. As someone said, Yes, the rich are different than you and I. Keep an eye out for this turkey if you're cruising downeast. It's a bad one. Roger, was she on starboard tack, engine, or restricted in her maneuverability? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
It's a power boat.
-- Roger Long "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Roger Long" wrote in message ... There has been a Canadian flag mega yacht in the 150 - 200 class named "Floridan" tied up in Portland for the past couple weeks. It's about as big a private yacht as I've seen up this way in the past couple years. I was heading back in today solo and close hauled in a good fresh breeze with the boat working hard under two reefs and hoping to clear Ram Island without having to make a short tack. The "Floridan" was coming out and settled on exactly the opposing course with her stemhead exactly lined up with her mast. I watched for a long time thinking they must take a slight deviation out into the 3000 or so miles of open water to their starboard but the angle never changed. Finally, at about half a mile, I eased the sheets and bore off until I could at least could see a little angle on the hull and it wasn't like staring directly down the sights of a shotgun from the wrong end. Cursing the loss of 100 yards on what was going to be a pretty tight squeak to clear the island, I watched her pass about 100 feet off my beam. Then, I got to deal with the wake of a large displacement hull going nearly hull speed on top of an already considerable sea. The captain was standing on the bridge wing having a ciggy with the autopilot on and never even waved. As someone said, Yes, the rich are different than you and I. Keep an eye out for this turkey if you're cruising downeast. It's a bad one. Roger, was she on starboard tack, engine, or restricted in her maneuverability? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
And not restricted? In that case, a bummer.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Roger Long" wrote in message ... It's a power boat. -- Roger Long "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Roger Long" wrote in message ... There has been a Canadian flag mega yacht in the 150 - 200 class named "Floridan" tied up in Portland for the past couple weeks. It's about as big a private yacht as I've seen up this way in the past couple years. I was heading back in today solo and close hauled in a good fresh breeze with the boat working hard under two reefs and hoping to clear Ram Island without having to make a short tack. The "Floridan" was coming out and settled on exactly the opposing course with her stemhead exactly lined up with her mast. I watched for a long time thinking they must take a slight deviation out into the 3000 or so miles of open water to their starboard but the angle never changed. Finally, at about half a mile, I eased the sheets and bore off until I could at least could see a little angle on the hull and it wasn't like staring directly down the sights of a shotgun from the wrong end. Cursing the loss of 100 yards on what was going to be a pretty tight squeak to clear the island, I watched her pass about 100 feet off my beam. Then, I got to deal with the wake of a large displacement hull going nearly hull speed on top of an already considerable sea. The captain was standing on the bridge wing having a ciggy with the autopilot on and never even waved. As someone said, Yes, the rich are different than you and I. Keep an eye out for this turkey if you're cruising downeast. It's a bad one. Roger, was she on starboard tack, engine, or restricted in her maneuverability? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
Roger Long wrote:
There has been a Canadian flag mega yacht in the 150 – 200 class named "Floridan" tied up in Portland for the past couple weeks. It’s about as big a private yacht as I’ve seen up this way in the past couple years. Hmmm... just the name already makes me suspicious.... ..... I watched her pass about 100 feet off my beam. Bummer, you could have let them hit you and sued for millions. The lawyer's lobby would probably elect you President! But seriously, why not just hail on VHF? The captain was standing on the bridge wing having a ciggy with the autopilot on and never even waved. Porb'ly didn't even see you. As someone said, Yes, the rich are different than you and I. Well, they share one characteristic with the very poor- they don't have to worry about money ;) Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:38:27 GMT, "Roger Long"
wrote: Then, I got to deal with the wake of a large displacement hull going nearly hull speed on top of an already considerable sea. Roger, with all due respect, a large wake should be regarded as just another wave in a seaworthy and decent sized boat such as yours. It is unreasonable to expect people to slow down except in a confined area where you could lose control. With regard to the right of way situation, did you sound a danger signal or attempt contact on channel 13 or 16? That is the proper course of action, preferably before the situation becomes critical. Even though you had the right of way it would have been prudent to have hailed him and proposed a "two whistle" pass. Most larger boats will assume "one whistle" in the absence of some other arrangement. Almost all boats of that size are piloted by professionals and will respond positively to requests presented in a professional manner. |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
Well, actually it was restricted despite 100+ feet of water, half a
mile clear on one side and several thousand on the other. Restricted by arrogance and stupidity. I've got to remember that my new cell phone can take short videos. Three of those would have made a great attachment for a report to the Coast Guard. -- Roger Long "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... And not restricted? In that case, a bummer. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Roger Long" wrote in message ... It's a power boat. -- Roger Long "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Roger Long" wrote in message ... There has been a Canadian flag mega yacht in the 150 - 200 class named "Floridan" tied up in Portland for the past couple weeks. It's about as big a private yacht as I've seen up this way in the past couple years. I was heading back in today solo and close hauled in a good fresh breeze with the boat working hard under two reefs and hoping to clear Ram Island without having to make a short tack. The "Floridan" was coming out and settled on exactly the opposing course with her stemhead exactly lined up with her mast. I watched for a long time thinking they must take a slight deviation out into the 3000 or so miles of open water to their starboard but the angle never changed. Finally, at about half a mile, I eased the sheets and bore off until I could at least could see a little angle on the hull and it wasn't like staring directly down the sights of a shotgun from the wrong end. Cursing the loss of 100 yards on what was going to be a pretty tight squeak to clear the island, I watched her pass about 100 feet off my beam. Then, I got to deal with the wake of a large displacement hull going nearly hull speed on top of an already considerable sea. The captain was standing on the bridge wing having a ciggy with the autopilot on and never even waved. As someone said, Yes, the rich are different than you and I. Keep an eye out for this turkey if you're cruising downeast. It's a bad one. Roger, was she on starboard tack, engine, or restricted in her maneuverability? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
"Wayne.B" wrote
Roger, with all due respect, a large wake should be regarded as just another wave in a seaworthy and decent sized boat such as yours. It is unreasonable to expect people to slow down except in a confined area where you could lose control. Agreed and I am not a wake nazi. But we're talking here about the wake within the first two or three waves as a result of a vessel passing far closer than is prudent. No danger but it took some finesse in those conditions to get through without getting soaked. Actually, the wind blanketing of the close approach was more of an issue. I can coax a boat through just about anything but I could have been one of many people out there that could have gotten knocked down or backed trying to get the boat moving again. With regard to the right of way situation, did you sound a danger signal or attempt contact on channel 13 or 16? That is the proper course of action, preferably before the situation becomes critical. You really think someone in a an enclosed, air conditioned, pilothouse is going to hear the pipsqueak horn a sailboat can carry far enough against a 20 -25 knot wind to have any beneficial influence on the situation? Back when I used blow horns because I believed what I read in books, I never noticed that anyone seemed to hear them in situations like this. As for the radio, my theory is that someone oblivious enough miss seeing a 32 foot sailboat directly ahead isn't going to be on the ball enough that I want to waste time talking to them. It was another of those days when I was using both hands for the boat. I doubt he could have understood the handheld out in the wind even if he hadn't been out on the bridge wing sucking a cig. -- Roger Long |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
Roger Long wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote Roger, with all due respect, a large wake should be regarded as just another wave in a seaworthy and decent sized boat such as yours. It is unreasonable to expect people to slow down except in a confined area where you could lose control. Agreed and I am not a wake nazi. But we're talking here about the wake within the first two or three waves as a result of a vessel passing far closer than is prudent. No danger but it took some finesse in those conditions to get through without getting soaked. Actually, the wind blanketing of the close approach was more of an issue. I can coax a boat through just about anything but I could have been one of many people out there that could have gotten knocked down or backed trying to get the boat moving again. With regard to the right of way situation, did you sound a danger signal or attempt contact on channel 13 or 16? That is the proper course of action, preferably before the situation becomes critical. You really think someone in a an enclosed, air conditioned, pilothouse is going to hear the pipsqueak horn a sailboat can carry far enough against a 20 -25 knot wind to have any beneficial influence on the situation? Back when I used blow horns because I believed what I read in books, I never noticed that anyone seemed to hear them in situations like this. As for the radio, my theory is that someone oblivious enough miss seeing a 32 foot sailboat directly ahead isn't going to be on the ball enough that I want to waste time talking to them. It was another of those days when I was using both hands for the boat. I doubt he could have understood the handheld out in the wind even if he hadn't been out on the bridge wing sucking a cig. It's funny how these things always seem to happen to you. What was it last time, a small ferry? Gary |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
Wayne.B wrote:
Roger, with all due respect, a large wake should be regarded as just another wave in a seaworthy and decent sized boat such as yours. With all due respect, it is well to keep in mind that the operator of a vessel making a wake is 100% responsible for the damage done by his wake. It is exactly the same as a person with a gun being held responsible for where his bullets end up. .... It is unreasonable to expect people to slow down except in a confined area where you could lose control. It is unreasonable to expect to endanger... or even present a major & potentially expensive inconvenience... to other people and have them shrug it off. Almost all boats of that size are piloted by professionals and will respond positively to requests presented in a professional manner. That's been my experience as well, but the exceptions are always noteworthy. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:08:23 GMT, "Roger Long"
wrote: As for the radio, my theory is that someone oblivious enough miss seeing a 32 foot sailboat directly ahead isn't going to be on the ball enough that I want to waste time talking to them. I think that's the wrong way to look at the situation. An oncoming sailboat can be a confusing situation and it is better to state your intentions sooner rather than later. What if the oncoming boat had been a freighter instead of a mega yacht, how would you view the situation in that case? Neither will turn or stop on a dime. If you want to receive courtesy from a power boat you must be prepared to give it also. |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:15:40 -0400, DSK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote: Roger, with all due respect, a large wake should be regarded as just another wave in a seaworthy and decent sized boat such as yours. With all due respect, it is well to keep in mind that the operator of a vessel making a wake is 100% responsible for the damage done by his wake. It is exactly the same as a person with a gun being held responsible for where his bullets end up. No boat of Roger's size should be at risk of damage from a wake in open water. .... It is unreasonable to expect people to slow down except in a confined area where you could lose control. It is unreasonable to expect to endanger... or even present a major & potentially expensive inconvenience... to other people and have them shrug it off. Danger is in the eye of the beholder. Since I wasn't there, it's difficult to assess the situation impartially. I can say that in two years of trawlering our GB49 up and down the east coast that I have seen some incredibly bad behavior from a few sailboats who think that they still have the right of way when motoring with the mainsail up, or the right to suddenly tack in front with less than two boat lengths separation, and various other similar examples. Almost all boats of that size are piloted by professionals and will respond positively to requests presented in a professional manner. That's been my experience as well, but the exceptions are always noteworthy. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
Wayne.B wrote in
: Roger, with all due respect, Sarcasm On: Yeah, Roger, it was all your fault for being out there in a boat that wasn't custom built, a hundred feet long and couldn't take an 8' wake without having to maneuver around. How dare you?!.... Sarcasm Off: I was swamped up to the bimini on my 16' Sea Rayder jetboat while idling along near the Battery Wall in downtown Charleston by an asshole driving a diving boat full of teenagers, racing back to his dock. I hauled the flooded jetboat around and took chase as the drains and bilge pump worked on the weight problem. Asshole decides he's gonna outrun a 175hp jetboat with his diesel diveboat....NOT. I followed him right into his slip and got his numbers/number of passengers (18) and noted his slip. After a heated discussion based on his ancestral lineage, he told me I shouldn't be out on Charleston Harbor in a 16' jetboat, anyways. It was, as my sarcasm above, all my fault. I called CG on the way to his slip on my VHF and asked them to meet us, but they wouldn't respond. They don't do anything if they don't PERSONALLY witness the event, I was told. It's like if the cops wouldn't come to your house just because you saw someone lurking about in your back yard. I later filed a report, duly noting he had 18 passengers on board for hire. They got him, not on my event, but because he had a sixpack license...... Every time I see that boat or his dive shop driving by it angers me he's just gone on as if nothing mattered. I guess it doesn't, until someone dies. You never have a Stinger or depth charge when you need one..... |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:52:24 -0400, Larry wrote:
Sarcasm On: Yeah, Roger, it was all your fault for being out there in a boat that wasn't custom built, a hundred feet long and couldn't take an 8' wake without having to maneuver around. How dare you?!.... There is a *big* difference between a 32 ft cruising sailboat and a 16 ft jetboat. You were endangered, Roger was inconvenienced. I'm always amazed at the number of cruising sailboats that feel entitled to perpetual flat water as some sort of birth right. |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
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Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
What about the people on it? Suppose someone was injured. That could easily
happen as a result of wake or evasive maneuvers to avoid a collision. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:15:40 -0400, DSK wrote: Wayne.B wrote: Roger, with all due respect, a large wake should be regarded as just another wave in a seaworthy and decent sized boat such as yours. With all due respect, it is well to keep in mind that the operator of a vessel making a wake is 100% responsible for the damage done by his wake. It is exactly the same as a person with a gun being held responsible for where his bullets end up. No boat of Roger's size should be at risk of damage from a wake in open water. .... It is unreasonable to expect people to slow down except in a confined area where you could lose control. It is unreasonable to expect to endanger... or even present a major & potentially expensive inconvenience... to other people and have them shrug it off. Danger is in the eye of the beholder. Since I wasn't there, it's difficult to assess the situation impartially. I can say that in two years of trawlering our GB49 up and down the east coast that I have seen some incredibly bad behavior from a few sailboats who think that they still have the right of way when motoring with the mainsail up, or the right to suddenly tack in front with less than two boat lengths separation, and various other similar examples. Almost all boats of that size are piloted by professionals and will respond positively to requests presented in a professional manner. That's been my experience as well, but the exceptions are always noteworthy. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
I have limited salt water experience, only a couple of bareboat charters in the Gulf of Mexico... But I have a lifetime of sweet water sailing on the Great Lakes... One thing I learned early on is that ships/freighters don't change course, even in a thousand feet of water and no land visible in any direction... There is no one looking out the window, and no one will answer the radio - and if in some miracle they did they don't speak any english anyway... So, as a sail boat skipper I learned to automatically change course as soon as I see it is going to be close...... I don't get all bent up over regulations, or that as a sailing vessel I have the right of way, or that the hired Captain is an arrogant ass... Opposing a large ship is like a motorcycle challenging a semi at 70 MPH on a narrow road... You may be dead right on your cycle, but you will still be dead... Roger, take a deep breath and forget about it... cheers ... denny |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
Wayne.B wrote:
I'm always amazed at the number of cruising sailboats that feel entitled to perpetual flat water as some sort of birth right. Well, look at it this way... If your wake causes any damage or injury, you are responsible. If your wake causes hazard or great inconvenience, that makes you an inconsiderate asshole. Maybe I should give your next door neighbor's kid an electric guitar and a 1,000 watt amplifier to drive home this point. Ownership of a boat (or a guitar)(or a gun) does not convey the unlimited right to use it however you want. I'm always amazed at the number of power boaters who feel that their wake should make other people happy. DSK |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
"Gary" wrote
It's funny how these things always seem to happen to you. What was it last time, a small ferry? Gary Twice in 36 years doesn't add up to "always" in my book and, while I may be the only one reporting in this particular venue, I'm sure I'm not the only one this happens to. Twice in a summer may be a interesting statistical cluster. What I think I'm really seeing here is a change in culture and expectations of professionals on the water made more obvious by my having been a pleasure boating Rip Van Winkle for 15 years. Far fewer people have a clue about the right of way rules than they used to and I'm sure this effects the thinking of commercial operators. Effectively, there are no right of way rules for pleasure boats now or between pleasure boats and commercial craft. Perhaps it's reasonable for the commercial boats to just go in straight lines and keep the right of way rules between them and their peers whose behavior can be predicted. The responses about large vessels are off the mark. Both of these were boats that could, and would, have diverted around a floating log without a second thought to avoid possible damage to their props. They held their courses either because of inattention or because they assumed I would adopt the role of the burdened vessel in violation of my duty to maintain a straight and predictable course. Neither reflects well on them. I would happily put the plots of my courses down an any USCG inquiry table. I maintained a straight and consistent course as the stand on vessel. When it became clear that the burdened vessel was not going to respond appropriately, I diverted or slowed in time to avoid danger of collision as well as danger that they would divert in the same direction. Regarding the radio, it is only a means of communication. The handling of your vessel can be an excellent and even more convenient method of indicating your intent. If you intend to depart your stand on course, make a big and obvious change, show the other vessel the whole side of your boat for a few moments and then come back to the course that will clear. If they are watching, they'll get the message. If they aren't watching, they probably aren't going to make any sudden course changes before taking a look around. -- Roger Long |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
"Denny" wrote
Roger, take a deep breath and forget about it... Don't read too much into this. These were hardly big deals or emergencies but they do raise some interesting discussion points about the current state of the system we all rely on to help us avoid hitting each other. I used to sail Solings around Boston Harbor on Sunday afternoons with spinnakers set so I'm comfortable keeping complex traffic situations sorted out and handling a sailboat. Both of these close encounters however, were situations where an inexperienced person, already dealing with challenging conditions, could have gotten into trouble. The skippers of these two boats had no way of knowing I wasn't one of those. What I hear from my numerous contacts on the "other side", as one primarily involved with commercial vessels, is irritation that so many sailboats assume that the always have the right of way, even over large vessels constrained in channels and, as someone else responded, when their engines are on. Many also think the sails give them the right to tack whenever they want. What we may be seeing here is the commercial vessels (and private yacht captains with the conceit that they are such) pushing back by trying to promote the expectation that they will NEVER deviate or change speed for smaller craft. If this is the case, it's only a matter of time before there is a tragedy. -- Roger Long |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
Is this the boat?
http://www.yachtportfolio.com/yacht.cfm?yid=357 Gary wrote: Roger Long wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote Roger, with all due respect, a large wake should be regarded as just another wave in a seaworthy and decent sized boat such as yours. It is unreasonable to expect people to slow down except in a confined area where you could lose control. Agreed and I am not a wake nazi. But we're talking here about the wake within the first two or three waves as a result of a vessel passing far closer than is prudent. No danger but it took some finesse in those conditions to get through without getting soaked. Actually, the wind blanketing of the close approach was more of an issue. I can coax a boat through just about anything but I could have been one of many people out there that could have gotten knocked down or backed trying to get the boat moving again. With regard to the right of way situation, did you sound a danger signal or attempt contact on channel 13 or 16? That is the proper course of action, preferably before the situation becomes critical. You really think someone in a an enclosed, air conditioned, pilothouse is going to hear the pipsqueak horn a sailboat can carry far enough against a 20 -25 knot wind to have any beneficial influence on the situation? Back when I used blow horns because I believed what I read in books, I never noticed that anyone seemed to hear them in situations like this. As for the radio, my theory is that someone oblivious enough miss seeing a 32 foot sailboat directly ahead isn't going to be on the ball enough that I want to waste time talking to them. It was another of those days when I was using both hands for the boat. I doubt he could have understood the handheld out in the wind even if he hadn't been out on the bridge wing sucking a cig. It's funny how these things always seem to happen to you. What was it last time, a small ferry? Gary |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
While sailing the lower Ches. Bay, I noticed a freighter
about a mile off, directly astern on my same heading. Soon after, the Capt ( probably a pilot ) radioed and asked if I was going to maintain my course. I replied that I could change course easily and asked which direction he would prefer I do so. He asked me if I wouldn't mind steering to port a few degrees and said he would veer to starboard some. I gybed and headed off 60 8 to port, well out of his path. He thanked me and we wished each other a safe trip. Not your normal ''power boater'' story, eh? -- Scott Vernon Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_ "Denny" wrote in message ups.com... I have limited salt water experience, only a couple of bareboat charters in the Gulf of Mexico... But I have a lifetime of sweet water sailing on the Great Lakes... One thing I learned early on is that ships/freighters don't change course, even in a thousand feet of water and no land visible in any direction... There is no one looking out the window, and no one will answer the radio - and if in some miracle they did they don't speak any english anyway... So, as a sail boat skipper I learned to automatically change course as soon as I see it is going to be close...... I don't get all bent up over regulations, or that as a sailing vessel I have the right of way, or that the hired Captain is an arrogant ass... Opposing a large ship is like a motorcycle challenging a semi at 70 MPH on a narrow road... You may be dead right on your cycle, but you will still be dead... Roger, take a deep breath and forget about it... cheers ... denny |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
Thanks for the heads-up, Roger - we'll keep an eye out. Makes me shudder
to think of being out in a kayak when that guy is in Maine. It would be nice if more people considered the consequences of their wakes. We have a handful of large vessels, such as the "Pink Lady" out of Boothbay, that can make life pretty exciting sometimes. One neighbor had his 17' outboard wrecked, while on the dock. Of course no one was watching it at that moment, so there was no "proof" that the only large vessel to pass by was at fault... It is entirely possible that there will be children or less-experienced adults in small boats, or along the shoreline; on a calm day some of the wakes exceed what we see in the stormiest conditions. Vessels and experience should be appropriate for the conditions you are likely to run into, but this doesn't mean we must all be prepared for a 4' wake at all times. Sal's Dad "boatgeek" wrote in message ups.com... Is this the boat? http://www.yachtportfolio.com/yacht.cfm?yid=357 Gary wrote: Roger Long wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote Roger, with all due respect, a large wake should be regarded as just another wave in a seaworthy and decent sized boat such as yours. It is unreasonable to expect people to slow down except in a confined area where you could lose control. Agreed and I am not a wake nazi. But we're talking here about the wake within the first two or three waves as a result of a vessel passing far closer than is prudent. No danger but it took some finesse in those conditions to get through without getting soaked. Actually, the wind blanketing of the close approach was more of an issue. I can coax a boat through just about anything but I could have been one of many people out there that could have gotten knocked down or backed trying to get the boat moving again. |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
The "Floridian" was built by Greg Norman in Australia under another name.
Wayne Hurnanga, think "Blockbusters", bought it, added 20 feet aft for his chopper, and named it "Floridian". "Roger Long" wrote in message ... There has been a Canadian flag mega yacht in the 150 - 200 class named "Floridan" tied up in Portland for the past couple weeks. It's about as big a private yacht as I've seen up this way in the past couple years. I was heading back in today solo and close hauled in a good fresh breeze with the boat working hard under two reefs and hoping to clear Ram Island without having to make a short tack. The "Floridan" was coming out and settled on exactly the opposing course with her stemhead exactly lined up with her mast. I watched for a long time thinking they must take a slight deviation out into the 3000 or so miles of open water to their starboard but the angle never changed. Finally, at about half a mile, I eased the sheets and bore off until I could at least could see a little angle on the hull and it wasn't like staring directly down the sights of a shotgun from the wrong end. Cursing the loss of 100 yards on what was going to be a pretty tight squeak to clear the island, I watched her pass about 100 feet off my beam. Then, I got to deal with the wake of a large displacement hull going nearly hull speed on top of an already considerable sea. The captain was standing on the bridge wing having a ciggy with the autopilot on and never even waved. As someone said, Yes, the rich are different than you and I. Keep an eye out for this turkey if you're cruising downeast. It's a bad one. -- Roger Long |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 07:42:37 -0400, DSK wrote:
If your wake causes hazard or great inconvenience, that makes you an inconsiderate asshole. That's a little extreme although there are plenty of sailors who would agree with you. Tell it to the container ships blasting along at 20+ knots. Wakes are funny things, one man's ripple is another man's tsunami. I will reduce my wake for canoes, kayaks, small open boats, or anything else that looks like it might be endangered. I will also reduce it in close quarters where a wake could cause loss of control. Other than that, wakes are just another hazard of boating to be watched for and dealt with like any other wave. I get rolled by some boats, and some get rolled by me. Other than a sportfish that once trashed our television while I was waiting for a bridge to open, I've never gotten too excited about it. |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:08:48 -0400, "Scotty"
wrote: While sailing the lower Ches. Bay, I noticed a freighter about a mile off, directly astern on my same heading. Soon after, the Capt ( probably a pilot ) radioed and asked if I was going to maintain my course. I replied that I could change course easily and asked which direction he would prefer I do so. He asked me if I wouldn't mind steering to port a few degrees and said he would veer to starboard some. I gybed and headed off 60 8 to port, well out of his path. He thanked me and we wished each other a safe trip. Not your normal ''power boater'' story, eh? Perhaps not but I've had pretty good luck communicating with commercial vessels about their course and intentions. We even had an interesting dialog last year with a large navy vessel off the coast on Beaufort, NC. They were making frequent course changes and the last one put us at a CPA of less than 1/2 mile, too close for my comfort. I hailed them on channel 13 and they assured me that they were tracking us on radar, and that we would pass astern if we held speed and course. They were right, but at least we had established that they were aware of us and not planning any more immediate course changes. Obviously none of this is possible if you wait until the last minute, or if you don't have a radio close at hand. |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
If your wake causes hazard or great inconvenience, that
makes you an inconsiderate asshole. Wayne.B wrote: That's a little extreme Not really. ... Tell it to the container ships blasting along at 20+ knots. Well now there's a funny thing... they're not doing it for fun. What do you think of a person who, for fun, forces other people to go out of their way to avoid danger? Who, because he can't be bothered, insists that other people can have their possessions trashed and it's just "part of being on the water"? I call that an inconsiderate asshole, because that's what it is. What do you call it? Wakes are funny things, one man's ripple is another man's tsunami. True, but there is also a very quantifiable scale for wakes. Not long ago, I videotaped a big sportfisherman going thru the Adams Creek cut at 8 knots or so... pulling a wake that was literally rolling up over people's docks & bulkheads. Over the radio, the skipper insisted that he was obeying the "no wake" signs. I will reduce my wake for canoes, kayaks, small open boats, or anything else that looks like it might be endangered. That phrase "anything else" covers a LOT of territory. How about anchored boats? Boats tied to docks? Shorelines subject to erosion? ... I will also reduce it in close quarters where a wake could cause loss of control. I've never known a wake to cause a loss of control, OTOH there are certainly places where it is difficult or impossible to maneuver bow-on to a wake or otherwise minimize impact. Other than that, wakes are just another hazard of boating to be watched for and dealt with like any other wave. For the most part, I agree. But that does not change the fact that every boat operator is responsible for his wake. .... Other than a sportfish that once trashed our television while I was waiting for a bridge to open, I've never gotten too excited about it. Did you call him names ;) Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
Well, at least Roger picked a good one to get run over by. $8.3 billion
will bring out the best lawyers on a contingency basis. :-) -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com "Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:55:35 -0400, wrote: The "Floridian" was built by Greg Norman in Australia under another name. Wayne Hurnanga, think "Blockbusters", bought it, added 20 feet aft for his chopper, and named it "Floridian". Here's a local story from Camden, ME http://knox.villagesoup.com/Communit...?storyID=75720 CWM |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:37:17 -0400, DSK wrote:
If your wake causes hazard or great inconvenience, that makes you an inconsiderate asshole. Wayne.B wrote: That's a little extreme Not really. ... Tell it to the container ships blasting along at 20+ knots. Well now there's a funny thing... they're not doing it for fun. If I'm leaving a wake it's because I'm trying to get somewhere, just like the container ship. If I'm also having fun, that is incidental and irrelevant. A wake is a wake. What do you think of a person who, for fun, forces other people to go out of their way to avoid danger? See above. Who, because he can't be bothered, insists that other people can have their possessions trashed and it's just "part of being on the water"? I call that an inconsiderate asshole, because that's what it is. What do you call it? I call it someone in a heavy displacement boat trying to get somewhere. No one, other than a wake boarder, leaves a wake for fun. At today's fuel prices, wake production is getting very expensive. Wakes are funny things, one man's ripple is another man's tsunami. True, but there is also a very quantifiable scale for wakes. Not long ago, I videotaped a big sportfisherman going thru the Adams Creek cut at 8 knots or so. Do you live on Adams Creek? It's one of my favorite areas of the ICW. Not all of it is a no wake zone however. .. pulling a wake that was literally rolling up over people's docks & bulkheads. I have seen docks that were built too low for the type of exposure they encounter. Who do these people yell at with storm waves? Over the radio, the skipper insisted that he was obeying the "no wake" signs. Some people are truly oblivious. I will reduce my wake for canoes, kayaks, small open boats, or anything else that looks like it might be endangered. That phrase "anything else" covers a LOT of territory. How about anchored boats? Boats tied to docks? Shorelines subject to erosion? It depends. Endangered yes, discomforted no. ... I will also reduce it in close quarters where a wake could cause loss of control. I've never known a wake to cause a loss of control, OTOH there are certainly places where it is difficult or impossible to maneuver bow-on to a wake or otherwise minimize impact. Other than that, wakes are just another hazard of boating to be watched for and dealt with like any other wave. For the most part, I agree. But that does not change the fact that every boat operator is responsible for his wake. .... Other than a sportfish that once trashed our television while I was waiting for a bridge to open, I've never gotten too excited about it. Did you call him names ;) Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
Yup. That looks like it.
-- Roger Long "boatgeek" wrote in message ups.com... Is this the boat? http://www.yachtportfolio.com/yacht.cfm?yid=357 Gary wrote: Roger Long wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote Roger, with all due respect, a large wake should be regarded as just another wave in a seaworthy and decent sized boat such as yours. It is unreasonable to expect people to slow down except in a confined area where you could lose control. Agreed and I am not a wake nazi. But we're talking here about the wake within the first two or three waves as a result of a vessel passing far closer than is prudent. No danger but it took some finesse in those conditions to get through without getting soaked. Actually, the wind blanketing of the close approach was more of an issue. I can coax a boat through just about anything but I could have been one of many people out there that could have gotten knocked down or backed trying to get the boat moving again. With regard to the right of way situation, did you sound a danger signal or attempt contact on channel 13 or 16? That is the proper course of action, preferably before the situation becomes critical. You really think someone in a an enclosed, air conditioned, pilothouse is going to hear the pipsqueak horn a sailboat can carry far enough against a 20 -25 knot wind to have any beneficial influence on the situation? Back when I used blow horns because I believed what I read in books, I never noticed that anyone seemed to hear them in situations like this. As for the radio, my theory is that someone oblivious enough miss seeing a 32 foot sailboat directly ahead isn't going to be on the ball enough that I want to waste time talking to them. It was another of those days when I was using both hands for the boat. I doubt he could have understood the handheld out in the wind even if he hadn't been out on the bridge wing sucking a cig. It's funny how these things always seem to happen to you. What was it last time, a small ferry? Gary |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
Wayne.B wrote:
I call it someone in a heavy displacement boat trying to get somewhere. And forcing other people to go out of their way to avoid possible injury, and risking damage to other people's goods. In other words, no consideration to others. At today's fuel prices, wake production is getting very expensive. Why do so many people do it so prodigiously then? Wayne.B wrote: Wakes are funny things, one man's ripple is another man's tsunami. True, but there is also a very quantifiable scale for wakes. Not long ago, I videotaped a big sportfisherman going thru the Adams Creek cut at 8 knots or so. Do you live on Adams Creek? No. ... It's one of my favorite areas of the ICW. Not all of it is a no wake zone however. True! .. pulling a wake that was literally rolling up over people's docks & bulkheads. I have seen docks that were built too low for the type of exposure they encounter. Who do these people yell at with storm waves? In Adams Creek? Get real. In any event, how they built their docks is their business. If your wake damages it, that is your business. It is the same as if you fired a gun, you are responsible for where the bullet goes. Why is this so hard to understand? Over the radio, the skipper insisted that he was obeying the "no wake" signs. Some people are truly oblivious. I will reduce my wake for canoes, kayaks, small open boats, or anything else that looks like it might be endangered. That phrase "anything else" covers a LOT of territory. How about anchored boats? Boats tied to docks? Shorelines subject to erosion? It depends. Endangered yes, discomforted no. If you are unwilling to exert at least some effort to avoid causing possible harm and certain discomfort/inconvenience t others, who are doing nothing to bother you, then that makes you... what, exactly? I believe I defined it earlier quite well. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:55:35 -0400, wrote: The "Floridian" was built by Greg Norman in Australia under another name. Wayne Hurnanga, think "Blockbusters", bought it, added 20 feet aft for his chopper, and named it "Floridian". Here's a local story from Camden, ME http://knox.villagesoup.com/Communit...?storyID=75720 CWM Makes me wonder why Roger thought it was a Canadian owned vessel. |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
"Don White" wrote
Makes me wonder why Roger thought it was a Canadian owned vessel. It had something to do with the big Canadian flag flying off the stern. Maybe it was just being chartered by Canadians. -- Roger Long |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:22:16 GMT, "Roger Long"
wrote: "Don White" wrote Makes me wonder why Roger thought it was a Canadian owned vessel. It had something to do with the big Canadian flag flying off the stern. Maybe it was just being chartered by Canadians. Flags on stern are country of registration, not the owner's country of citizenship. Owner's country flag has some obscure spot to fly in. |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
Charlie Morgan wrote in :
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:55:35 -0400, wrote: The "Floridian" was built by Greg Norman in Australia under another name. Wayne Hurnanga, think "Blockbusters", bought it, added 20 feet aft for his chopper, and named it "Floridian". BTW - When the owner isn't using Floridian, it can be chartered for $400k (four hundred thousand dollars) per week. I'm not making this up! CWM Is this it: http://www.yachtportfolio.com/yacht.cfm?yid=368 |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
Poor wording. I should have said "flagged" instead of "owned". It's
not widely known that the "Titanic", for example, was a U.S. owned vessel, J.P. Morgan, actually. -- Roger Long "Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:22:16 GMT, "Roger Long" wrote: "Don White" wrote Makes me wonder why Roger thought it was a Canadian owned vessel. It had something to do with the big Canadian flag flying off the stern. Maybe it was just being chartered by Canadians. As the story indicates, the owner was on board. It wasn't being chartered. CWM |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
Denny wrote:
I have limited salt water experience, only a couple of bareboat charters in the Gulf of Mexico... But I have a lifetime of sweet water sailing on the Great Lakes... One thing I learned early on is that ships/freighters don't change course, even in a thousand feet of water and no land visible in any direction... There is no one looking out the window, and no one will answer the radio - and if in some miracle they did they don't speak any english anyway... So, as a sail boat skipper I learned to automatically change course as soon as I see it is going to be close...... I don't get all bent up over regulations, or that as a sailing vessel I have the right of way, or that the hired Captain is an arrogant ass... Opposing a large ship is like a motorcycle challenging a semi at 70 MPH on a narrow road... You may be dead right on your cycle, but you will still be dead... Roger, take a deep breath and forget about it... cheers ... denny Here lies the body of William J. He died maintaining his right of way. He was right, dead right as he sped along but he's just as dead as if he'd been dead wrong. -- Stephen ------- For any proposition there is always some sufficiently narrow interpretation of its terms, such that it turns out true, and some sufficiently wide interpretation such that it turns out false...concept stretching will refute *any* statement, and will leave no true statement whatsoever. -- Imre Lakatos |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
"Charlie Morgan" wrote BTW - When the owner isn't using Floridian, it can be chartered for $400k (four hundred thousand dollars) per week. I'm not making this up! That is not unusual. We made friends with a couple off one of those mega yachts in North Sound, Virgin Gorda and were invited aboard. 4 couples went in on the charter. When they told me it was $290,000 for the week I almost choked on my Scotch! Those people were spending more per person for a week on a boat that I plan to spend for spars, rigging and a set of sails! Oddly, for rich Yankees they were pretty nice folks. :-) -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
Roger Long wrote:
"Don White" wrote Makes me wonder why Roger thought it was a Canadian owned vessel. It had something to do with the big Canadian flag flying off the stern. Maybe it was just being chartered by Canadians. In the picture someone presented, it appeared to be a red ensign.... not sure what flag the Cayman Islands fly. |
Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
Roger Long wrote:
Yup. That looks like it. Note flag here re Cayman Islands Civil Ensign http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...renoJul21C.jpg Bad view but does it resemble this flag on stern of your mega yacht.. http://www.yachtportfolio.com/yacht.cfm?yid=357 or.. http://www.pch.gc.ca/progs/cpsc-ccsp/sc-cs/df2_e.cfm |
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