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Don White wrote:
Roger Long wrote:

Yup. That looks like it.

** correction** (I hope)
Note flag here re Cayman Islands Civil Ensign
** try this **
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:C...an_Islands.svg


Bad view but does it resemble this flag on stern of your mega yacht..
http://www.yachtportfolio.com/yacht.cfm?yid=357

or..
http://www.pch.gc.ca/progs/cpsc-ccsp/sc-cs/df2_e.cfm

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"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
"Don White" wrote

Makes me wonder why Roger thought it was a Canadian owned vessel.

It had something to do with the big Canadian flag flying off the
stern. Maybe it was just being chartered by Canadians.

All the Canadian boats that pass through here have a red, white, red
vertical panels with a big red maple leaf in the white one. I have a problem
trying to keep up the Cayman and Jamaican flags.

Leanne

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What do you think of a person who, for fun, forces other
people to go out of their way to avoid danger?

Oh please, give that nonsense a rest. There's no 'forcing' anything in this
situation, so quit with the hype.

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Is the Pink lady still there? There is a party boat here in Fort
Lauderdale with Boothbay registration with that exact name.



Sal's Dad wrote:
Thanks for the heads-up, Roger - we'll keep an eye out. Makes me shudder
to think of being out in a kayak when that guy is in Maine.

It would be nice if more people considered the consequences of their wakes.
We have a handful of large vessels, such as the "Pink Lady" out of Boothbay,
that can make life pretty exciting sometimes. One neighbor had his 17'
outboard wrecked, while on the dock. Of course no one was watching it at
that moment, so there was no "proof" that the only large vessel to pass by
was at fault...

It is entirely possible that there will be children or less-experienced
adults in small boats, or along the shoreline; on a calm day some of the
wakes exceed what we see in the stormiest conditions. Vessels and
experience should be appropriate for the conditions you are likely to run
into, but this doesn't mean we must all be prepared for a 4' wake at all
times.

Sal's Dad

"boatgeek" wrote in message
ups.com...

Is this the boat?

http://www.yachtportfolio.com/yacht.cfm?yid=357

Gary wrote:

Roger Long wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote




Roger, with all due respect, a large wake should be regarded as just
another wave in a seaworthy and decent sized boat such as yours. It
is unreasonable to expect people to slow down except in a confined
area where you could lose control.


Agreed and I am not a wake nazi. But we're talking here about the
wake within the first two or three waves as a result of a vessel
passing far closer than is prudent. No danger but it took some
finesse in those conditions to get through without getting soaked.
Actually, the wind blanketing of the close approach was more of an
issue. I can coax a boat through just about anything but I could have
been one of many people out there that could have gotten knocked down
or backed trying to get the boat moving again.

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Must of been the old "Aussie Rules" Purchased by Wayne Huizenga (owner
of the Miami Dolphins, etc etc) He needs to run a "courtesy" class for
his employees. His good buddy Jim Moran (Owner of SE Toyota
distributors and a fleet of boats that go by "gallant lady") would fire
an idiot like that on the spot.... his crew members (Dozens of them)
have always been curteous and helpful to us when ever we run into them
in FLL and the islands. What a difference an owner can make!!!!!!






Glenn Ashmore wrote:

Well, at least Roger picked a good one to get run over by. $8.3 billion
will bring out the best lawyers on a contingency basis. :-)

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On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:08:23 GMT, "Roger Long"
wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote


Roger, with all due respect, a large wake should be regarded as just
another wave in a seaworthy and decent sized boat such as yours. It
is unreasonable to expect people to slow down except in a confined
area where you could lose control.

Agreed and I am not a wake nazi. But we're talking here about the
wake within the first two or three waves as a result of a vessel
passing far closer than is prudent. No danger but it took some
finesse in those conditions to get through without getting soaked.
Actually, the wind blanketing of the close approach was more of an
issue. I can coax a boat through just about anything but I could have
been one of many people out there that could have gotten knocked down
or backed trying to get the boat moving again.


With regard to the right of way situation, did you sound a danger
signal or attempt contact on channel 13 or 16? That is the proper
course of action, preferably before the situation becomes critical.

You really think someone in a an enclosed, air conditioned, pilothouse
is going to hear the pipsqueak horn a sailboat can carry far enough
against a 20 -25 knot wind to have any beneficial influence on the
situation? Back when I used blow horns because I believed what I read
in books, I never noticed that anyone seemed to hear them in
situations like this.

As for the radio, my theory is that someone oblivious enough miss
seeing a 32 foot sailboat directly ahead isn't going to be on the ball
enough that I want to waste time talking to them. It was another of
those days when I was using both hands for the boat. I doubt he could
have understood the handheld out in the wind even if he hadn't been
out on the bridge wing sucking a cig.

Well, it takes two to tango, and your last paragraph proves it.

You made no effort to contact them!?

Time to stop your bitch'n and take a look in the mirror.

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On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:15:40 -0400, DSK wrote:

With all due respect, it is well to keep in mind that the
operator of a vessel making a wake is 100% responsible for
the damage done by his wake. It is exactly the same as a
person with a gun being held responsible for where his
bullets end up.


That is not how the "wake rule" works.

You are not always held 100% responsible for your wake.

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On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:22:28 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

Obviously none of this is possible if you wait until the last minute,
or if you don't have a radio close at hand.

Or it's useless in a breeze so you don't even try.

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On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 07:42:37 -0400, DSK wrote:

If your wake causes any damage or injury, you are responsible.

Again, it's not that cut and dry.

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On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:17:08 GMT, Don White
wrote:

Roger Long wrote:
"Don White" wrote


Makes me wonder why Roger thought it was a Canadian owned vessel.


It had something to do with the big Canadian flag flying off the
stern. Maybe it was just being chartered by Canadians.


In the picture someone presented, it appeared to be a red ensign.... not
sure what flag the Cayman Islands fly.

It's has a red field.


http://ederflagnews.com/images/Flags...IslandsRed.gif

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On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:07:23 -0400, "Glenn Ashmore"
wrote:

Oddly, for rich Yankees they were pretty nice folks. :-)

Oh, sure! When they weren't tooling around ordering the Captain to
wake every sailboat in sight. :-)

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On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:10:28 GMT, Capt. Bill
wrote:

Oddly, for rich Yankees they were pretty nice folks. :-)

Oh, sure! When they weren't tooling around ordering the Captain to
wake every sailboat in sight. :-)

For the fun of it...

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On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:17:29 -0400, DSK wrote:

In any event, how they built their docks is their business.
If your wake damages it, that is your business.


Not really. There is an expectation that docks will be built to
withstand average conditions for the site. A dock that is not in a
no wake zone, or open to exposed water, needs to be built high enough
and strong enough to withstand what comes along.

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On 2006-07-25 21:52:24 -0400, Larry said:

You never have a Stinger or depth charge when you need one.....

Really need to learn more about weaponry and ordnance... neither is
really appropriate for ship-to-ship combat. A torpedo or a deck gun is
far more appropriate. :D

Stingers are Anti-aircraft missles. Depth charges do little damage to
boats...and are use for anti-submarine work.

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"DSK" wrote in message
...

If you are unwilling to exert at least some effort to
avoid
causing possible harm and certain discomfort/inconvenience
t
others, who are doing nothing to bother you, then that
makes
you... what, exactly?

A typical power boater?


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

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Capt. Bill wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:08:23 GMT, "Roger Long"
wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote



Roger, with all due respect, a large wake should be regarded as just
another wave in a seaworthy and decent sized boat such as yours. It
is unreasonable to expect people to slow down except in a confined
area where you could lose control.

Agreed and I am not a wake nazi. But we're talking here about the
wake within the first two or three waves as a result of a vessel
passing far closer than is prudent. No danger but it took some
finesse in those conditions to get through without getting soaked.
Actually, the wind blanketing of the close approach was more of an
issue. I can coax a boat through just about anything but I could have
been one of many people out there that could have gotten knocked down
or backed trying to get the boat moving again.


With regard to the right of way situation, did you sound a danger
signal or attempt contact on channel 13 or 16? That is the proper
course of action, preferably before the situation becomes critical.


You really think someone in a an enclosed, air conditioned, pilothouse
is going to hear the pipsqueak horn a sailboat can carry far enough
against a 20 -25 knot wind to have any beneficial influence on the
situation? Back when I used blow horns because I believed what I read
in books, I never noticed that anyone seemed to hear them in
situations like this.

As for the radio, my theory is that someone oblivious enough miss
seeing a 32 foot sailboat directly ahead isn't going to be on the ball
enough that I want to waste time talking to them. It was another of
those days when I was using both hands for the boat. I doubt he could
have understood the handheld out in the wind even if he hadn't been
out on the bridge wing sucking a cig.


Well, it takes two to tango, and your last paragraph proves it.

You made no effort to contact them!?

Time to stop your bitch'n and take a look in the mirror.
Yup. That last paragraph is all attitude.

Gary

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Yes, there is a Pink Lady, and a smaller Pink Lady II, and Island Lady,
running multiple daily trips out of Boothbay Harbor.
http://www.mainewhales.com/d_cf_fleet.htm Website says 78-100 feet. And
one hell of a wake, when they are moving - about the biggest wake we see,
far bigger than the tugs or destroyers.... of course we haven't seen
Floridian yet.
Sal's Dad


Is the Pink lady still there? There is a party boat here in Fort
Lauderdale with Boothbay registration with that exact name.



Sal's Dad wrote:
Thanks for the heads-up, Roger - we'll keep an eye out. Makes me
shudder to think of being out in a kayak when that guy is in Maine.

It would be nice if more people considered the consequences of their
wakes. We have a handful of large vessels, such as the "Pink Lady" out of
Boothbay, that can make life pretty exciting sometimes. One neighbor
had his 17' outboard wrecked, while on the dock. Of course no one was
watching it at that moment, so there was no "proof" that the only large
vessel to pass by was at fault...

It is entirely possible that there will be children or less-experienced
adults in small boats, or along the shoreline; on a calm day some of the
wakes exceed what we see in the stormiest conditions. Vessels and
experience should be appropriate for the conditions you are likely to run
into, but this doesn't mean we must all be prepared for a 4' wake at all
times.

Sal's Dad

"boatgeek" wrote in message
ups.com...

Is this the boat?

http://www.yachtportfolio.com/yacht.cfm?yid=357

Gary wrote:

Roger Long wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote




Roger, with all due respect, a large wake should be regarded as just
another wave in a seaworthy and decent sized boat such as yours. It
is unreasonable to expect people to slow down except in a confined
area where you could lose control.


Agreed and I am not a wake nazi. But we're talking here about the
wake within the first two or three waves as a result of a vessel
passing far closer than is prudent. No danger but it took some
finesse in those conditions to get through without getting soaked.
Actually, the wind blanketing of the close approach was more of an
issue. I can coax a boat through just about anything but I could have
been one of many people out there that could have gotten knocked down
or backed trying to get the boat moving again.

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OK Capt. Bill, I'll bite.

Just how DOES the "wake rule" work? And please, if you can, provide
citations or links? Apparently I have misunderstood all these years; I
would welcome an opportunity to be educated.

Sal's Dad


"Capt. Bill" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:15:40 -0400, DSK wrote:

With all due respect, it is well to keep in mind that the
operator of a vessel making a wake is 100% responsible for
the damage done by his wake. It is exactly the same as a
person with a gun being held responsible for where his
bullets end up.


That is not how the "wake rule" works.

You are not always held 100% responsible for your wake.

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Yes, it very well could be the Cayman's and it's a much more likely
registry for a vessel like this. We see so many Canadian flags here
that I didn't look too closely.

--

Roger Long



"Don White" wrote in message
...
Roger Long wrote:
Yup. That looks like it.


Note flag here re Cayman Islands Civil Ensign
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...renoJul21C.jpg

Bad view but does it resemble this flag on stern of your mega
yacht..
http://www.yachtportfolio.com/yacht.cfm?yid=357

or..
http://www.pch.gc.ca/progs/cpsc-ccsp/sc-cs/df2_e.cfm

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"Wayne.B" wrote

been a freighter instead of a mega yacht, how would you view the
situation in that case? Neither will turn or stop on a dime.

"turn or stop on a dime" is an inapplicable exaggeration that confuses
the issue in this case. Even a freighter could have made the 1 degree
course change (with the nearest obstruction in that direction a place
where they don't speak English) that would have resolved this
situation without radio chatter. At 160 feet, this vessel could have
done circles around me if they wanted to take a close look.

--

Roger Long

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--

Roger Long



"Gary" wrote in message
news:CzWxg.242858$iF6.196743@pd7tw2no...
Capt. Bill wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:08:23 GMT, "Roger Long"

wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote



Roger, with all due respect, a large wake should be regarded as
just
another wave in a seaworthy and decent sized boat such as yours.
It
is unreasonable to expect people to slow down except in a confined
area where you could lose control.

Agreed and I am not a wake nazi. But we're talking here about the
wake within the first two or three waves as a result of a vessel
passing far closer than is prudent. No danger but it took some
finesse in those conditions to get through without getting soaked.
Actually, the wind blanketing of the close approach was more of an
issue. I can coax a boat through just about anything but I could
have been one of many people out there that could have gotten
knocked down or backed trying to get the boat moving again.


With regard to the right of way situation, did you sound a danger
signal or attempt contact on channel 13 or 16? That is the proper
course of action, preferably before the situation becomes
critical.


You really think someone in a an enclosed, air conditioned,
pilothouse is going to hear the pipsqueak horn a sailboat can carry
far enough against a 20 -25 knot wind to have any beneficial
influence on the situation? Back when I used blow horns because I
believed what I read in books, I never noticed that anyone seemed
to hear them in situations like this.

As for the radio, my theory is that someone oblivious enough miss
seeing a 32 foot sailboat directly ahead isn't going to be on the
ball enough that I want to waste time talking to them. It was
another of those days when I was using both hands for the boat. I
doubt he could have understood the handheld out in the wind even if
he hadn't been out on the bridge wing sucking a cig.


Well, it takes two to tango, and your last paragraph proves it. You
made no effort to contact them!? Time to stop your bitch'n and take
a look in the mirror.
Yup. That last paragraph is all attitude.

Gary

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"Gary" and "Bill" wrote
You made no effort to contact them?"
Time to stop your bitch'n and take a look in the mirror.
Yup. That last paragraph is all attitude.

Gary

Come on. The radio has it's place and some meeting situations demand
it for sorting out but this was a crystal clear situation in wide open
water. If the radio was used between small vessels and larger ones in
every situation this simple, nobody would be able to get a word in
edgewise.

If a vessel clearly is either not keeping a watch or blatantly
violating the right of way rules, why waste time on the radio?
Easier, especially single handed in strong winds, to just shrug and
divert. The guy who was dressed like a captain was out on the bridge
wing. By the time he heard the radio or someone came out to tell him
there was a call, it could have been too late for a safe course change
by me.

This was just a big recreational powerboat, remember. Large
commercial vessels can be counted on to maintain a watch and respond
crisply.

I'm not bitching, just warning. This was a non-event for me except
for having to sheet everything flat again single-handed in a strong
wind. Plenty of people out there that this could have been a set up
for a problem though.

--

Roger Long

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Roger Long wrote:
"Gary" and "Bill" wrote

You made no effort to contact them?"
Time to stop your bitch'n and take a look in the mirror.

Yup. That last paragraph is all attitude.

Gary


Come on. The radio has it's place and some meeting situations demand
it for sorting out but this was a crystal clear situation in wide open
water. If the radio was used between small vessels and larger ones in
every situation this simple, nobody would be able to get a word in
edgewise.

If a vessel clearly is either not keeping a watch or blatantly
violating the right of way rules, why waste time on the radio?
Easier, especially single handed in strong winds, to just shrug and
divert. The guy who was dressed like a captain was out on the bridge
wing. By the time he heard the radio or someone came out to tell him
there was a call, it could have been too late for a safe course change
by me.

This was just a big recreational powerboat, remember. Large
commercial vessels can be counted on to maintain a watch and respond
crisply.

I'm not bitching, just warning. This was a non-event for me except
for having to sheet everything flat again single-handed in a strong
wind. Plenty of people out there that this could have been a set up
for a problem though.

More attitude and lots of conjectu
"clearly is either not keeping a watch or blatantly violating the right
of way rules"
"The guy who was dressed like a captain"
"just a big recreational powerboat, remember"
"I'm not bitching"
"This was a non-event for me"

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"Gary" wrote

More attitude and lots of conjectu

How about some conjecture from you.

Why else would a recreational vessel in open water be maintaining a
dead straight course towards another with the right-of-way? NOAA
vessels doing surveys do but they fly the appropriate day shapes.

Please explain a scenario under which this vessel was not violating
the rules.

My only attitude is that it is interesting and helpful to discuss
these things. If I didn't have a skin thick enough to shrug off those
who always try to turn it back to personality, I wouldn't be here.

--

Roger Long

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On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:33:29 GMT, "Roger Long"
wrote:

Why else would a recreational vessel in open water be maintaining a
dead straight course towards another with the right-of-way? NOAA
vessels doing surveys do but they fly the appropriate day shapes.

Please explain a scenario under which this vessel was not violating
the rules.

How close were you when you decided that the power boat was not going
to give way? They are under no obligation to change course 1/2 mile
in advance, only in time enough to avoid collision. That may not be
as much room as you'd like but it is all that the situation demands.

I can tell you from experience that evading oncoming sailboats is
problematic. Many times I have made an early course change only to
have the sailboat react to a header or lift with another course change
of their own. Even more irritating to a powerboat is entering into
one of these ballet dances only to discover that the oncoming vessel
is actually motor sailing and has no rights. It hapens a lot.

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Roger Long wrote:
Yes, it very well could be the Cayman's and it's a much more likely
registry for a vessel like this. We see so many Canadian flags here
that I didn't look too closely.


That's good...everyone knows Canadians are courteous and law abiding! ;-)

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Roger Long wrote:
There has been a Canadian flag mega yacht in the 150 - 200 class named
"Floridan" tied up in Portland for the past couple weeks. It's about
as big a private yacht as I've seen up this way in the past couple
years.

I was heading back in today solo and close hauled in a good fresh
breeze with the boat working hard under two reefs and hoping to clear
Ram Island without having to make a short tack. The "Floridan" was
coming out and settled on exactly the opposing course with her
stemhead exactly lined up with her mast. I watched for a long time
thinking they must take a slight deviation out into the 3000 or so
miles of open water to their starboard but the angle never changed.

Finally, at about half a mile, I eased the sheets and bore off until I
could at least could see a little angle on the hull and it wasn't like
staring directly down the sights of a shotgun from the wrong end.
Cursing the loss of 100 yards on what was going to be a pretty tight
squeak to clear the island, I watched her pass about 100 feet off my
beam. Then, I got to deal with the wake of a large displacement hull
going nearly hull speed on top of an already considerable sea.

The captain was standing on the bridge wing having a ciggy with the
autopilot on and never even waved.

As someone said, Yes, the rich are different than you and I.

Keep an eye out for this turkey if you're cruising downeast. It's a
bad one.

--

Roger Long

I hate to say this, but it's just common sense to stay away from large
vessels, right of way or not. Their are plenty of people who felt they
had the right of way that were killed in the process. Try not to join
their ranks.

As far as wakes, if you don't like them, I would suggest finding
another hobby, they are a fact of life on the water. If I had a nickel
for everytime I had to deal with a sailboat that wanted to run under
sail, in a narrow waterway, loaded with boats, and wanted everyone to
get out of his way, I'd never have to work another day in my life. My
point being, their are problem children on both the power and sail
sides, let's all try not to be one of them.

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"Roger Long" wrote in message
...


Come on. The radio has it's place and some meeting situations demand it
for sorting out but this was a crystal clear situation in wide open water.
If the radio was used between small vessels and larger ones in every
situation this simple, nobody would be able to get a word in edgewise.

Can't fully agree with this. If the radio is used on the correct channels be
it for a simple meeting situation, or a complicated one, there would be far
fewer collisions and near misses. Keep the conversation to a minimum to pass
needed info.
A good number of meeting situations, as you say, need no radio contact, but
as soon as it starts to become apparent that, as in your case, the other guy
is not doing what he should, then it's always a good idea to start using ALL
your options, and a radio call is a good one.
As for the rest.......... this is a prime example of the type of situations
you can run into that are best thought about for future reference as to what
may happen or can happen.

otn

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"Wayne.B" wrote in
I can tell you from experience that evading oncoming
sailboats is
problematic.

yeah, it's a real bitch to turn that steering wheel.

SBV

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On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:07:14 -0400, "Scotty"
wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in
I can tell you from experience that evading oncoming
sailboats is
problematic.

yeah, it's a real bitch to turn that steering wheel.

Your sarcasm runneth over.

Try it sometime from the other helm and report back. Most large
powerboats are run by autopilot in open water, and course corrections
are usually done in one or two degree increments, not dodging all over
the ocean for a sailboat that may or may not decide to tack in front
of you, or may or may not be lifted by the latest puff of wind. On my
boat, which is substantial but no where near mega yacht size, I will
typically close to within 100 or 200 yards before I even begin to
commit to one side or another. If the other boat makes an unexpected
course change inside of 100 yards they can create a very dangerous
situation. I can crash stop in about 50 yards (3 boat lengths) but it
is very tough on the engines and transmissions.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:07:14 -0400, "Scotty"
wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in
I can tell you from experience that evading oncoming
sailboats is
problematic.

yeah, it's a real bitch to turn that steering wheel.

Your sarcasm runneth over.

Try it sometime from the other helm and report back. Most large
powerboats are run by autopilot in open water, and course corrections
are usually done in one or two degree increments, not dodging all over
the ocean for a sailboat that may or may not decide to tack in front
of you, or may or may not be lifted by the latest puff of wind. On my
boat, which is substantial but no where near mega yacht size, I will
typically close to within 100 or 200 yards before I even begin to
commit to one side or another. If the other boat makes an unexpected
course change inside of 100 yards they can create a very dangerous
situation. I can crash stop in about 50 yards (3 boat lengths) but it
is very tough on the engines and transmissions.


Can we all just agree that EVERY skipper has the duty and obligation to
avoid collisions with other vessels, and to make our intentions known to
other boats on the water? Generally speaking, however, powerboats (or
sailboats under power, being the same thing) are much more maneuverable,
and/or free to take any heading they like, than sailboats. When
singlehanding my ketch, I also use autopilot quite a bit -- nevertheless,
that doesn't relieve me of the obligation to avoid collisions.

Karin Conover-Lewis
Rawson 30 ketch "Escapade"
Marinette WI

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On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:05:54 GMT, dog wrote:

On 2006-07-25 21:52:24 -0400, Larry said:

You never have a Stinger or depth charge when you need one.....

Really need to learn more about weaponry and ordnance... neither is
really appropriate for ship-to-ship combat. A torpedo or a deck gun is
far more appropriate. :D

Stingers are Anti-aircraft missles. Depth charges do little damage to
boats...and are use for anti-submarine work.

Don't be too sure...

http://www.west.net/~lpm/hobie/archi...i2/humor.shtml



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"Wayne.B" further enforced
the typical powerboater mentality with this gem......

yeah, it's a real bitch to turn that steering wheel.

Your sarcasm runneth over.

You got it though, eh?


Try it sometime from the other helm and report back.


I have. Never had a real problem turning a wheel. Are you
that limp wristed?

Most large
powerboats are run by autopilot in open water, and course
corrections
are usually done in one or two degree increments,


Oh, okay, I should have written, 'yeah it's a real bitch to
push that button on the autopilot.'



. On my
boat, which is substantial


what size, in feet, is ''substantial''?



typically close to within 100 or 200 yards before I even
begin to
commit to one side or another. If the other boat makes an
unexpected
course change inside of 100 yards they can create a very
dangerous
situation. I can crash stop in about 50 yards (3 boat
lengths) but it
is very tough on the engines and transmissions.


Hoo Boy,,, thanks for reaffirming my opinion of most ( not
all ) powerboaters.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

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KLC Lewis wrote:
Can we all just agree that EVERY skipper has the duty and obligation to
avoid collisions with other vessels, and to make our intentions known to
other boats on the water?

Now there is a good idea... oddly enough it is mentioned in
ColRegs, too. Make helm corrections early, make them
obvious, so the other vessel doesn't ahve to guess your
intentions.

... Generally speaking, however, powerboats (or
sailboats under power, being the same thing) are much more maneuverable

Actually I think sailboats... especially under power... are
a lot more maneuverable. The larger rudders & keels have
something to do with it, I'm guessing! ;)

and/or free to take any heading they like, than sailboats. When
singlehanding my ketch, I also use autopilot quite a bit -- nevertheless,
that doesn't relieve me of the obligation to avoid collisions.


Uh-oh, now you're expecting common sense?!?

We've had people walk out on their foredeck and angrily yell
at us to keep out of their way because they were on
autopilot. Haven't had that happen when we were anchored,
but that'll probably occur any day now.

I recently had a shrimp trawler yell at me to get out of his
way. He was trawling, I was anchored. Oh well.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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DSK wrote:
KLC Lewis wrote:

Can we all just agree that EVERY skipper has the duty and obligation
to avoid collisions with other vessels, and to make our intentions
known to other boats on the water?


Now there is a good idea... oddly enough it is mentioned in ColRegs,
too. Make helm corrections early, make them obvious, so the other vessel
doesn't ahve to guess your intentions.

... Generally speaking, however, powerboats (or sailboats under power,
being the same thing) are much more maneuverable


Actually I think sailboats... especially under power... are a lot more
maneuverable. The larger rudders & keels have something to do with it,
I'm guessing! ;)
If sailboats were more maneouverable they would get the right of way
most of the time. Under power they are not sailboats.

and/or free to take any heading they like, than sailboats. When
singlehanding my ketch, I also use autopilot quite a bit --
nevertheless, that doesn't relieve me of the obligation to avoid
collisions.


Uh-oh, now you're expecting common sense?!?

We've had people walk out on their foredeck and angrily yell at us to
keep out of their way because they were on autopilot. Haven't had that
happen when we were anchored, but that'll probably occur any day now.

I recently had a shrimp trawler yell at me to get out of his way. He was
trawling, I was anchored. Oh well.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
 

Actually I think sailboats... especially under power... are a lot more
maneuverable. The larger rudders & keels have something to do with it,
I'm guessing! ;)

Gary wrote:
If sailboats were more maneouverable they would get the right of way
most of the time. Under power they are not sailboats.


No, but they still have the hull & foil characteristics of
sailboats, which give them sharper... and more consistent...
turning radius.

There is no doubt that sailboats are maneuverable in terms
of their handling in confined space.

However, their relative speed and (when under sail) their
limits on their operational freedom of heading is what makes
them "considered" to be less maneuverable in the ColRegs.

I don't know where some people who own sailboats get the
idea they have the "right-of-way" even when motoring. It's
just plain stupid.

DSK

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"Gary" wrote in message
news:kucyg.245719$iF6.215069@pd7tw2no...
DSK wrote:
KLC Lewis wrote:

Can we all just agree that EVERY skipper has the duty and obligation to
avoid collisions with other vessels, and to make our intentions known to
other boats on the water?


Now there is a good idea... oddly enough it is mentioned in ColRegs, too.
Make helm corrections early, make them obvious, so the other vessel
doesn't ahve to guess your intentions.

... Generally speaking, however, powerboats (or sailboats under power,
being the same thing) are much more maneuverable


Actually I think sailboats... especially under power... are a lot more
maneuverable. The larger rudders & keels have something to do with it,
I'm guessing! ;)
If sailboats were more maneouverable they would get the right of way most
of the time. Under power they are not sailboats.

and/or free to take any heading they like, than sailboats. When
singlehanding my ketch, I also use autopilot quite a bit --
nevertheless, that doesn't relieve me of the obligation to avoid
collisions.


Uh-oh, now you're expecting common sense?!?

We've had people walk out on their foredeck and angrily yell at us to
keep out of their way because they were on autopilot. Haven't had that
happen when we were anchored, but that'll probably occur any day now.

I recently had a shrimp trawler yell at me to get out of his way. He was
trawling, I was anchored. Oh well.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Gary, the least maneuverable tend to have higher status.. that's why there
is restricted-by-maneuverability rule for example. Perhaps you need to
rethink this.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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DSK wrote:
Actually I think sailboats... especially under power... are a lot
more maneuverable. The larger rudders & keels have something to do
with it, I'm guessing! ;)


Gary wrote:

If sailboats were more maneouverable they would get the right of way
most of the time. Under power they are not sailboats.


No, but they still have the hull & foil characteristics of sailboats,
which give them sharper... and more consistent... turning radius.

There is no doubt that sailboats are maneuverable in terms of their
handling in confined space.

However, their relative speed and (when under sail) their limits on
their operational freedom of heading is what makes them "considered" to
be less maneuverable in the ColRegs.

I don't know where some people who own sailboats get the idea they have
the "right-of-way" even when motoring. It's just plain stupid.

DSK

I don't think that the R of R were created thinking of hull and foil
characteristics. I think it has more to do with the slow speed and
limited freedom of movement of large sailing craft as compared to
similar sized power driven vessels. A large square rigger who has to
fall off the wind to give way to a freighter may take a day to get back
to where he was. A freighter could recover in minutes. It also takes
and entire crew to alter a large sailing vessel and one guy to alter a
power driven vessel. The rules were originally written with shipping in
mind, not small handy vessels.

My opinion.....

One issue I have with sailboats is two meeting after dark. How can the
racing rules or the R of R be applied after dark when you can't see what
tack the other boat is on?

In a recent race I was in, the sailors left their masthead lights on
(anchor lights) so they could see the wind indicators at the mast head.
For all the world they looked like power driven vessels from a
distance. Do you think they knew that?

Gary

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Capt. JG wrote:
"Gary" wrote in message
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DSK wrote:

KLC Lewis wrote:


Can we all just agree that EVERY skipper has the duty and obligation to
avoid collisions with other vessels, and to make our intentions known to
other boats on the water?


Now there is a good idea... oddly enough it is mentioned in ColRegs, too.
Make helm corrections early, make them obvious, so the other vessel
doesn't ahve to guess your intentions.


... Generally speaking, however, powerboats (or sailboats under power,
being the same thing) are much more maneuverable


Actually I think sailboats... especially under power... are a lot more
maneuverable. The larger rudders & keels have something to do with it,
I'm guessing! ;)

If sailboats were more maneouverable they would get the right of way most
of the time. Under power they are not sailboats.

and/or free to take any heading they like, than sailboats. When
singlehanding my ketch, I also use autopilot quite a bit --
nevertheless, that doesn't relieve me of the obligation to avoid
collisions.


Uh-oh, now you're expecting common sense?!?

We've had people walk out on their foredeck and angrily yell at us to
keep out of their way because they were on autopilot. Haven't had that
happen when we were anchored, but that'll probably occur any day now.

I recently had a shrimp trawler yell at me to get out of his way. He was
trawling, I was anchored. Oh well.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


Gary, the least maneuverable tend to have higher status.. that's why there
is restricted-by-maneuverability rule for example. Perhaps you need to
rethink this.

You must read what I meant not what I said. If sailboats were more
maneouverable they wouldn't have the right of way most of the time.

Sorry.

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On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:08:50 GMT, "Roger Long"
wrote:

Come on. The radio has it's place and some meeting situations demand
it for sorting out but this was a crystal clear situation in wide open
water. If the radio was used between small vessels and larger ones in
every situation this simple, nobody would be able to get a word in
edgewise.

If a vessel clearly is either not keeping a watch or blatantly
violating the right of way rules, why waste time on the radio?


Total self serving BS.

That would make for an interesting defence in court.