On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 12:32:52 +0100, "News f2s"
wrote:

Can we curtail this discussion until we have input from someone who
has actually died from sailing.

In article .com,
" wrote:

Very glad to see the safety discussion. Most informative. I am very
involved in the US effort to require that all exposed propellers on
boats are guarded. We can use your assistance and input.

Short answer - no. Please give up now. I am fully aware of the injury
potential, I have seen the results, some of my work IRB's have prop
guards because of where they operate.

To move to a blanket rule is uncalled for and ridiculous. Are you
seriously proposing that a 500K tonne bulk carrier have prop guards
fitted? Good luck.....

PDW

"Gary" wrote in message
news:4pT0g.33655$WI1.11728@pd7tw2no...
Rob Cullen wrote:
I imagine the chances of being killed by falling are somewhat higher.


Someone once said: "Novice climbers worry about falling, experienced
climbers worry about something falling on them."

Someone else said:
"If at first you don't succeed.............
Sky diving is not the sport for you."

Duncan Heenan wrote:

Someone else said:
"If at first you don't succeed.............
Sky diving is not the sport for you."

Aker Bilk, I believe. And slightly reworded:
If at first you don't succeed, don't go hang gliding.

a valid point

what's the normal driving of a car equivalent to sailing a very high
percormance dinghy or sailing a more conventiona ldinghy class in close
racing ( even at the club or regional level)

tryign to force your way through or on your chosen route on the road
is 'dangerous driving' it's all part of the game even in an Optimist!

The figures are not all that accurrate at the USCG but they are working
on them and should be able to provide more detailed data soon. At the
most recent meeting the following figures were presented.

In the summer of 2005 alone, a brief and very limited media (90 days)
search, uncovered 58 exposed recreational boat propeller strikes:

34% were fatal
14% led to amputation of a limb
42% were severe lacerations requiring hospitalization for extended
periods.

(Note when we speak of "severe lacerations" from a propeller strike
we mean severe life altering/changing lacerations)

The above demonstrates an extraordinary result but unfortunately the
standard consequences, common to most grievous of boating accidents.
Worst of all we are finding far too many children from age 3-18
represented in these horrifying statistics. Similar to the automotive
industry forty years ago, the recreational boating manufactures argue
wrongly, safety is the responsibility of the operator. We believe
safety can be designed into a product and that safety is not an option,
it should be mandated. Safety does sale!

RT

Of course not. Only intersted in Recreational craft.

RT

The stats you are citing have many, many missing events and that is the
view of the USCG. The stats until recently did not separate out
"overboards" that were struck by Propellers or the drownings that were
caused after being struck by a propeller but the primary cause of death
is the drowning.

RT

Your data would have some credibility if you actually could cite a
real reference. Just claiming that the official numbers are bogus
makes you sound like a crackpot.

BTW, since over half of all boating accidents are in June, July and
August, your numbers are not inconsistent the official numbers. For
example, the 2004 report includes "one hundred eighty-six (186)
accidents involve a person being struck by a motor/propeller either as
the first, second or third event in the accident sequence. These
events resulted in thirty-one (31) fatalities." Unfortunately, the
primary data only includes the first event, and that's the only way to
sort out which type of vessel was involved.

http://www.uscgboating.org/statistic...stics_2004.pdf

wrote:
The figures are not all that accurrate at the USCG but they are working
on them and should be able to provide more detailed data soon. At the
most recent meeting the following figures were presented.

In the summer of 2005 alone, a brief and very limited media (90 days)
search, uncovered 58 exposed recreational boat propeller strikes:

34% were fatal
14% led to amputation of a limb
42% were severe lacerations requiring hospitalization for extended
periods.

(Note when we speak of "severe lacerations" from a propeller strike
we mean severe life altering/changing lacerations)

The above demonstrates an extraordinary result but unfortunately the
standard consequences, common to most grievous of boating accidents.
Worst of all we are finding far too many children from age 3-18
represented in these horrifying statistics. Similar to the automotive
industry forty years ago, the recreational boating manufactures argue
wrongly, safety is the responsibility of the operator. We believe
safety can be designed into a product and that safety is not an option,
it should be mandated. Safety does sale!

RT

wrote:
The stats you are citing have many, many missing events and that is the
view of the USCG. The stats until recently did not separate out
"overboards" that were struck by Propellers or the drownings that were
caused after being struck by a propeller but the primary cause of death
is the drowning.

RT

Then perhaps you can point us to more trustworthy sources for data.