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I am a cruiser and have every right to post here and join in these conversations. Agreed. .... PWC's aren't toys by the way Yes they are. But then IMHO these are also a toy http://sic.epfl.ch/publications/SCR02/scr13_page4.jpg But they are MUCH more expensive and require vastly more skill to handle... still just toys after all. .... Anyway my interest in boat cruising is what takes me to rec.boats.cruising, thanks very much. Last summer I spent a week cruising with my wife all around the Thousand Islands area in the St. Lawrenece Waterway, we visited and took pictures of all the state parks, castles, and dozens of the beautiful islands and other attractions there from the water. I'll link you to the album of hundreds of pictures my wife took. OK, I'd like to see them. We have plans to visit the same area. That sounds like a great cruise. At one point in my life, I was going camper-cruising in small racing class sailboats. Fun! Not very comfy but it certainly built up sailing skills. It also gave a me a preference for shallow draft boats that has stuck with me. Size is only important to those who need it. .... I belong here, I am a full-fledged cruising boater just like anybody, and I just will not lie down and take any bullying, insulting or discriminatory comments, and I won't step to the back of the bus, sorry fellas. It looks to me like you have been bullying others much more than you've been bullied. I can see why you'd have a chip on your shoulder about being a PWC'er but obnoxious behavior & belittling others is not the way to give others a good impression. Fair Skies Doug King |
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In article . com,
wrote: Peter Wiley wrote: In article .com, wrote: Well your source for information is obviously way out of date because SeaDoo hasn't made the GTX RFI in a few years. Here's Seadoo's marketing blurb for their current flagship model on the CURRENT web site: "Roughing it is relative on the GTX and GTX SC. Packed with two powerful engine options, luxury to spare and smooth maneuverability. A top-notch boat that takes riding to a new place. Like your favorite camping spot. Or a little island hopping." Here's their description of another model: "If the journey is the reward, you may never reach your destination. Thanks to the uncompromising luxury of the 2006 GTX Limited. With a 215 HP engine, 215 f*****g HORSEPOWER? For *ONE* or *TWO* people on a goddam toy? My 6.5 tonne workboat only has 2 225 HP turbo diesel engines driving Hamilton jets, and it'll do in excess of 40 knots unladen! Thanks for that, you've confirmed my opinion. Those damn things should be banned from all public waterways. Far too much HP for any rational purpose. Makes sense! Let's ban 'em all because PDW says it's too much horsepower! What is the cut-off for an acceptable level of power, and who will be the arbiter of what qualifies as a "rational purpose"? Well, PDW, of course! And again - very important - your analysis here fails on one very important point: we're talking about boats, not toys! It's when anybody thinks or treats pwc's as toys, I suspect, that most of the conflicts and problems arise! (Operating them without knowing what they're doing, etc.) They *are* toys. They may be toys that float, but they're still toys. OTOH my workboats are just that. My sailboat is a toy. It serves no practical purpose except to provide me with entertainment. PDW |
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In article .com,
wrote: I am a cruiser and have every right to post here and join in these conversations. You're not a cruiser by the definition in general acceptance here. You have every right to post - this is usenet, after all - and in return we have every right to deal with your posts as individuals deem appropriate. So far you've got zero support from anyone. PDW |
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Peter Wiley wrote:
They *are* toys. They may be toys that float, but they're still toys. OTOH my workboats are just that. My sailboat is a toy. It serves no practical purpose except to provide me with entertainment. Well, I don't know. Okay, in that very loose sense, the same sense that all recreational boats would be classified as toys, meaning they can be used for recreation and to have fun, we can say that. But really - well, ask a CoastGuard or Power Squadron member or marine law enforcer if pwc's are toys, see what they think. The first point they make in the user's manuals, safety instruction videos, and those special safety courses you have to take to ride them here in New York State - is in fact that they are not toys, but serious pieces of machinery to be approached and treated with respect and seriousness. Kind of ironic, some of us here are talking about irresponsible, dangerous operators, and it seems to me that those problems start right off the bat when these people think of them as toys and approach them that way, failing to realize that, in a very important way, these aren't toys at all. richforman PDW |
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What's the definition? I don't get it. Frequent Long-distance tours
multi-day tours and destination rides on my little boat with everything I need packed on board, planned and navigated on our waterways using charts, cruising guides and gps, docking and staying at marinas overnight, don't qualify as cruising? My Florida Keys, Bahamas, Thousand Islands, Long-Island-to-Newport, trips get no respect or appreciation at all from you, you think you're better than me somehow? What kind of support do you think I require from you? Why do you have to be so nasty, PDW? What have I ever done to you? Tell you this, I've towed and helped out many fellow boaters in need of help on the water (and been helped in kind when I needed it), they certainly didn't have anything bad to say about me just because I was on a personal watercraft, they respected and appreciated me as a fellow boater and water-lover just like, as I've said, every fellow boater I encounter on the water does every weekend. What is your problem anyway? richforman |
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You are NOT the typical PWC operator. People who cruise on
a PWC are a small subset of PWC users. A very small subset. True, and I think the same is true of every segment of the power-boating and boating world. Most people with bigger boats that I see and know around here, have just one or two favorite little destinations, a beach or fishing spot, that they motor to and hang out all day at. I really haven't known anyone on bigger boats who does the same kind of adventurous/ambitious touring and multi-day distance riding as my friends and I do on our pwc's. Nothing wrong with any of that of course. But what I'm wondering is, did you know that ANY pwc riders do this kind of stuff before I started telling you about it? If not, then I've already expanded your knowledge of what is possible and in fact what happens more often than you obviously think. (There are riding groups in every area with water, people organizing big group rides, weekend-long family and recreational events, charity runs, clubs that plan and promote long trips, I mean, believe me it's not like I"m the only one doing it. I probably never would have thought of it myself except that I got brought into it by all the established pwc'ers I met and encountered when I bought my first one back eight years ago.....pretty much all of them were doing things like this and that's how I got into it.) Maybe the more you learn, the more you'll be surprised. but I think at this point the public has had 40 years to figure out that Doctors, Lawyers and other sedate groups also enjoy rif=ding Harleys. ....and of course there are still lots of people out there who have never figured it out and still believe in the ancient stereotypes. Like I say, it's really YOU who can't erase the real-world knowledge that when I am out cruising the Great South Bay, the Peconic River, the Atlantic Ocean, the Long Island Sound, the Connecticut River, Block Island Sound, Barnegat Bay, New York Harbor, of course the Hudson, every weekend, I just do not encounter these prejudices, negative attitudes, from fellow boaters and water recreationists I see and hang out with on beaches, islands, restaurants, coves, docks, ramps, marinas, boat shows,....that I do from some cranks on the (usually perfectly friendly) rec.boats.cruising. Nobody seems to have anything against a pwc as long as we are obeying the rules, operating safely and courteously...people like it. They see They wave from other boats, especially their children, who are always very happy to see the. Sometimes their jaws kind of drop when we tell them where we've come from, it just makes them respect us more, when they see us geared up properly in our dry suits if necessary, or with our gps' mounted and massive storage bins loaded up with every kind of line, anchor, vhf's, change of clothes and shoes, picnic lunches, charts, whatever. Especially Coast Guard and cops, always very friendly, many of them that we've stopped and talked to have pwc's themselves and we'll talk shop about that. When they see that we obviously know exactly what we're doing, have our safety certificates, have all our flares and documents and required safety equipment on board, they can tell we know what we're doing and I don't think it matters to anyone one way or another that we're on pwc's. If we screamed through a no-wake zone or were drunk and rowdy on the water, they'd dislike us (to say the least) whether we were on pwc's or bigger speed-boats; if we're not causing any problems and boating safely, everybody likes everybody else just fine, the fact that my boat happens to be a pwc is really a completely neutral factor, I think, to any reasonably open-minded, friendly, positive person without some kind of elitist stick up their ass. richforman |
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Wayne.B wrote: On 7 Apr 2006 12:56:06 -0700, wrote: At any rate, past 16, if an aspiring boater had the initiative and good attitude to just take the basic training course Some of the very worst PeeWC bozos that I've seen are in their late teens or early 20s. No thanks, age 30 is about time to let them out of the pool. But I wonder, have they learned the basics? Are they in a state like here in NYS where they have to get the training in order to get behind the wheel? I really think, again, of my first season when I first bought my first entry-level pwc. I really had no boating/water experience and didn't know anything about the environment, in retrospect it's stupid but no one even really told how much there was to know, I did mistakenly think, at first, that my new boat was just a "toy." I'm 'fessing up that I really didn't know about slowing down when passing boats docked at a marina or areas where I people were swimming. I was in my early '30's by the way, and just ignorant...at first! 'Til my friends that I started riding with, who were also the ones who got me into cruising and long trips, etc., told me all that stuff (or I'm sure some cops and angry fellow boaters told me lots of it too)...anyway, by season #2 and since then, I really haven't done any of it. Most people once they have it pointed out to them the implications of what they're doing and how it affects others....I'd think they'd improve their behavior, it just seems natural. So I don't think it's a question of age (like I said, I was well over 30, and still did the same stupid things, until I learned better)...but rather training and knowledge and experience. For the zillionth time, that's why I strongly support training, education and certification requirements for ALL power boaters. richforman |
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.... Anyway my
interest in boat cruising is what takes me to rec.boats.cruising, thanks very much. Last summer I spent a week cruising with my wife all around the Thousand Islands area in the St. Lawrenece Waterway, we visited and took pictures of all the state parks, castles, and dozens of the beautiful islands and other attractions there from the water. I'll link you to the album of hundreds of pictures my wife took. OK, I'd like to see them. We have plans to visit the same area. That sounds like a great cruise. It was one of the best times my wife and I ever had. Thanks, Doug. Here's a link to my wife's many pictures from those rides: http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=...2&x=1&y=2uaiye ....you have to join up with Kodak Easy share to view the photo album, but it doesn't cost anything. And thanks for the friendly, accepting, inclusive tone of your post, for your interest in my cruising experience, and for belying the charming PDW's statement that I have "zero support," whatever that means exactly. richforman |
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Mys Terry wrote:
On 10 Apr 2006 10:46:21 -0700, wrote: You are NOT the typical PWC operator. People who cruise on a PWC are a small subset of PWC users. A very small subset. True, and I think the same is true of every segment of the power-boating and boating world. Most people with bigger boats that I see and know around here, have just one or two favorite little destinations, a beach or fishing spot, that they motor to and hang out all day at. I really haven't known anyone on bigger boats who does the same kind of adventurous/ambitious touring and multi-day distance riding as my friends and I do on our pwc's. Nothing wrong with any of that of course. Uh, Rich... Did you happen to notice the name of this particular newsgroup? Pretty much everybody here is interested in cruising. You are essentially the only cruiser here with a PWC, making you a very tiny minority no matter how you try and spin it. So? I'm not trying to spin anything. But what I'm wondering is, did you know that ANY pwc riders do this kind of stuff before I started telling you about it? Yes, I did. It's atypical usuage for a PWC to put it mildly. Well, I know and have seen, ridden with and and talked to hundreds of others who do it, but still I'll agree, already did. If not, then I've already expanded your knowledge of what is possible and in fact what happens more often than you obviously think. (There are riding groups in every area with water, people organizing big group rides, weekend-long family and recreational events, charity runs, clubs that plan and promote long trips, I mean, believe me it's not like I"m the only one doing it. I probably never would have thought of it myself except that I got brought into it by all the established pwc'ers I met and encountered when I bought my first one back eight years ago.....pretty much all of them were doing things like this and that's how I got into it.) Maybe the more you learn, the more you'll be surprised. I'm not at all surprised. Your group represents a tiny fraction of PWC owners. YOu really need to get out more. Doesn't sound to you like I get out a lot? I could hardly get out on the water more. When I"m not on my pwc, I'm usually kayaking, do lots of that too. (More speed-freek adrenaline-fueled fume-belching hooliganism!) but I think at this point the public has had 40 years to figure out that Doctors, Lawyers and other sedate groups also enjoy rif=ding Harleys. ...and of course there are still lots of people out there who have never figured it out and still believe in the ancient stereotypes. Like I say, it's really YOU who can't erase the real-world knowledge that when I am out cruising the Great South Bay, the Peconic River, the Atlantic Ocean, the Long Island Sound, the Connecticut River, Block Island Sound, Barnegat Bay, New York Harbor, of course the Hudson, every weekend, I just do not encounter these prejudices, negative attitudes, from fellow boaters and water recreationists I see and hang out with on beaches, islands, restaurants, coves, docks, ramps, marinas, boat shows,....that I do from some cranks on the (usually perfectly friendly) rec.boats.cruising. That's because you are behaving yourself in those places. Barging in here and insisting that we all start thinking favorably about PWC's when our real world experience is overwhelmingly negative, is not what I would consider "behaving". Think however you want, I was just trying to inform some people of things they very obviously weren't at all aware of. Nobody seems to have anything against a pwc as long as we are obeying the rules, operating safely and courteously...people like it. They see They wave from other boats, especially their children, who are always very happy to see the. Sometimes their jaws kind of drop when we tell them where we've come from, it just makes them respect us more, when they see us geared up properly in our dry suits if necessary, or with our gps' mounted and massive storage bins loaded up with every kind of line, anchor, vhf's, change of clothes and shoes, picnic lunches, charts, whatever. Especially Coast Guard and cops, always very friendly, many of them that we've stopped and talked to have pwc's themselves and we'll talk shop about that. When they see that we obviously know exactly what we're doing, have our safety certificates, have all our flares and documents and required safety equipment on board, they can tell we know what we're doing and I don't think it matters to anyone one way or another that we're on pwc's. If we screamed through a no-wake zone or were drunk and rowdy on the water, they'd dislike us (to say the least) whether we were on pwc's or bigger speed-boats; if we're not causing any problems and boating safely, everybody likes everybody else just fine, the fact that my boat happens to be a pwc is really a completely neutral factor, I think, to any reasonably open-minded, friendly, positive person without some kind of elitist stick up their ass. richforman You are your own worst enemy, Rich. How do you figure? I don't have any problems. I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but it seems all you are here for is to be confrontational and to preach and brow-beat us about your "cause". I think I came onto the thread to chime in with my opinions about operator licensing. Somewhere in there I mentioned that I ride a pwc, and attacks and insults followed from that, I just responded and defended myself. That's pretty annoying behavior. I guess being annoying IS an unavoidable PWC'er trait Well, whatever. 'Scuse me for living, I guess. I've expanded my cruising plans for this weekend, what was first planned as two days is now three. We're going to ride about noon on Thursday from Jones Beach to South Jersey, eventually putting up our 'skis on a couple jetskis at a dealership I called down there and staying overnight in beautiful Long Beach Island; Friday is going to be for basically sky's the limit exploring, hopefully we'll make it as far south as Delaware, which will be farther south than I've ever ridden without first trailering somewhere, anyway it'll be a combination of ocean riding and in the intracoastal and back bays, we'll enjoy the sights of the Wildwood and Ocean City boardwalks, A.C. skyline, maybe see another dolphin like we did two weekends ago in Staten Island, anyway the weather forecast looks incredible so far, very high 60's or 70's. ON Saturday we're going to leave pretty much at dawn and make a bee-line home, I have to be back in town early for a wedding gig I was hired to fill-in for on keyboards on Saturday night. Pretty much three solid days of riding, cruising and exploring, I'll have all the inlets and fuel stops waypointed on my gps, I'm thinking I'll probably spend less than $200 on gas for the whole thing, not bad, I'm actually pretty strapped but this won't be too much of an indulgence (wife and kids are actually both elsewhere out of town for a couple days without me, so the opportunity had to seized, days taken off from work immediately!) Anyway I'm really psyched as you can imagine, maybe I"ll stop back in and let you fellas know how it went. richforman |
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Uh huh...fascinating. A very compelling and coherent point there! :)
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Mys Terry wrote: On 10 Apr 2006 12:59:05 -0700, wrote: Uh huh...fascinating. A very compelling and coherent point there! :) richforman Fbeel vg jnf sne bire lbhe urnq naq lbh pbhyqa'g yrnea nalguvat sebz vg. V'q yvxr gb ercbfg vg va n jnl lbh zvtug or noyr gb tenfc vg, ohg hagvy gur grpuabybtl vzcebirf, V jba'g or noyr gb cbfg gb hfrarg jvgu penlbaf. Bhpu, jung n fgvatvat naq jvggl pbzronpx. Penlbaf! Tbbq bar. Naq chggvat vg va gur glcr bs cbqr V pbhyq eblir jura V sne nobhg ryrira, naq abj gbbx zr nobhg gvir zvahgrf....irel vzcerffvir gbhpu. Trr, qb V grry qhzo abj. evpugbezna |
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prodigal1 wrote: This is a "cruising" newsgroup. Perhaps your interest in highspeed toys for the those with too many toys might be better satisfied in another forum. Dear prodigal1: I agree. Its the first time I read through this discussion completely in a few days............ ugh. Although I really enjoyed the "marketing materials." In my job right now we call them emotional appeals. Use them to "get people to do what you want" = persuasion. In the marketing world I think they are called psychological needs. It all originates form a guy called A. Maslow and his Hierarch of Needs model. I identify a person's need, use the words that gets the guy stiff and they poor sap will buy the Brooklyn bridge. Or to quote some cheese movie, " I got a need for speed." Just bought the Drogue Data Base book. Interesting read. Time to finish it along with my morning coffee. Rhetor Bob |
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Oh yeah, sure, I'm dumb all right. No doubt about it. What's your IQ
Mys. Terry? What were your SAT scores? Ever been in Mensa? How much enterprise-level software have you designed and developed? How accomplished a musician you are (I'll give you the set list of the band I play in, tell me how long it would take you to figure out and recreate the keyboard parts and vocal arrangements to all the Yes, ELP, Dream Theatre, Rush, material we cover, I'll give you a decade head start.) (Sorry I made a few typos in my previous post in your "super secret code," guess I was a little sloppy, I think your original feeling was that I woud be baffled by your ingenious code and think it was gibberish, when in fact, I "solved" it in about five minutes, like I said, I was solving those since I think I was about eleven or twelve.... okay, you got me, I transposed a few of the letters incorrectly from the sheet I scribblingly solved it on into my post, that's kind of beyond the point, oh yeah, I'm dumb.) Do you do the Sunday NY Times crossword puzzles; how long does it take you, I'll race you on one any week, any year, in fact that's what I often to on my pwc on a Sunday, take the crossword to a puzzle and a pen in a dry bag to a boating beach and do the puzzle in the sun, love to meet you out there and see you try one one weekend this summer. What was dumb IMO was for you to think there was anything remotely clever or interesting or challenging or smart about putting your in a simple child's substitution code in the first place as if that was going to be somehow stupeified by this billiant ingenious ruse. richforman |
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Could be his brother? Maybe we could ask for a Speedo pic. for
identification purposes----and a good laugh! "Mys Terry" skrev i en meddelelse ... On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:21:22 +0200, "Robert Larder" wrote: Is Jax back I wonder? Now there's a scary thought! He's from the same general area, too. fxeri v ra zrqqryryfr roups.com... Oh yeah, sure, I'm dumb all right. No doubt about it. What's your IQ Mys. Terry? What were your SAT scores? Ever been in Mensa? How much |
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Mys Terry wrote: On 11 Apr 2006 09:58:25 -0700, wrote: Oh yeah, sure, I'm dumb all right. No doubt about it. What's your IQ Mys. Terry? What were your SAT scores? Ever been in Mensa? How much enterprise-level software have you designed and developed? How accomplished a musician you are (I'll give you the set list of the band I play in, tell me how long it would take you to figure out and recreate the keyboard parts and vocal arrangements to all the Yes, ELP, Dream Theatre, Rush, material we cover, I'll give you a decade head start.) (Sorry I made a few typos in my previous post in your "super secret code," guess I was a little sloppy, I think your original feeling was that I woud be baffled by your ingenious code and think it was gibberish, when in fact, I "solved" it in about five minutes, like I said, I was solving those since I think I was about eleven or twelve.... okay, you got me, I transposed a few of the letters incorrectly from the sheet I scribblingly solved it on into my post, that's kind of beyond the point, oh yeah, I'm dumb.) Do you do the Sunday NY Times crossword puzzles; how long does it take you, I'll race you on one any week, any year, in fact that's what I often to on my pwc on a Sunday, take the crossword to a puzzle and a pen in a dry bag to a boating beach and do the puzzle in the sun, love to meet you out there and see you try one one weekend this summer. What was dumb IMO was for you to think there was anything remotely clever or interesting or challenging or smart about putting your in a simple child's substitution code in the first place as if that was going to be somehow stupeified by this billiant ingenious ruse. richforman All of this silly self aggrandizement just proves my point and shows why you are making friends here so easily. Hey, YOU were the one that questioned and insulted my intelligence. Sorry I took offense and responded instead of just cowering away, "Mys Terry," more cleverness and brilliance there. And how self aggrandizing was it to put your lame message in substitution code for no earthly reason? Seemed like the only possible reason was because you thought it somehow made you look clever or smart. You are just another annoying belligerent Jetskier with an overblown ego. You really don't sound all that intelligent, either. Again....you're wrong. Sorry to sound self-aggrandizing but I"m responding to your statements, which are gratuitously hurtful and insulting to me. As it happens, I am extremely, highly intelligent. In the top 2 percentile of the population. This has been given as the result when I have been tested for IQ from early childhood all through my life. Sorry, I don't mean to brag and it doesn't mean that much in the scheme of things, but the fact is that again, your impressions, your insights, are mistaken and you are talking about something you obviously know nothing about. I am not stupid, not dumb, I happen to be quite intelligent, anybody who knows me or works with me knows it, and I just don't take well to being spoken down to and insulted....it's only human. You're wrong, okay? If you think you're so much more intelligent than me, how about a game of Scrabble or an in-person challenge over some kind of puzzle even more complex than a simple childish letter-substitution cryptogram? You didn't answer any of my questions. If you're so much more intelligent than I, just tell me your IQ and SAT's and whether you've tested into Mensa. Strictly honors system, I'll believe you. **** you anyway. I have no problem making friends in any environment in life or online except sometimes here in rec.boats.cruising; "belligerent" is about the last thing in the world that anybody who knows me in real life would be able to say about me - I guess some of you guys just bring out the best in me with your charming friendly attitudes. So why did you do the cryptogram in the first place, "Mys"? Wasn't it to show how smart you are, or how dumb I was when I was unable to decipher you brilliantly encrypted and razor-sharp witticism? Have you ever heard the expression, "you just jumped the shark"? Well, that's not quite the expression you mean, but sure, it usually refers to when a tv series is no longer any good in the speaker's opinion, or maybe when a rock band stops being cool and puts out their first lame album. richforman |
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In article . com,
wrote: Oh yeah, sure, I'm dumb all right. No doubt about it. Well, you can't work out that mostly, we don't want to discuss PWC except how to eliminate them from public waterways or use them as targets. You're belligerent and defensive and haven't made any attempt to justify why a small craft carrying 2 people *needs* anything like 200+ HP to drive it. AS I said a while ago, you don't want to get out on the water, you want to get out on the water *and go fast*. This puts you squarely into the rev-head category along with the cigarette boat clowns and other high speed pleasure cruisers, one of whom is generally sufficient to ruin the ambience for kayakers, sailors and fishermen. I reckon hell will freeze over before you guys get the PWC ban lifted where I live. BTW I just bought 2 225HP 4 stroke o/b motors, but they're going on a 30' 6 tonne workboat that carries up to 12 pax and 20 SCUBA tanks plus cld water immersion gear etc etc. Works out to a bit over 37 HP per person and even that's a bit excessive. My little toy sailboat gets by quite handily with a 2 HP Honda 4 stroke o/b. PDW |
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... As it happens, I am extremely, highly intelligent.
In the top 2 percentile of the population. Peter Wiley wrote: Gee, all that 'talent' and you can't learn how to sail. He probably wouldn't find it noisy or fast-paced enough. We are dealing with a huge population of people... the 3rd generation of 'raised-by-TV' kids... who are pathologically impatient and have short attention spans. Most of them also believe that gratification of their whim of the moment should be the highest priority of the Universe. This is one reason why politics have devolved to the point it has today. Sailing is complex & subtle, requires careful observation of one's surroundings, and analysis of forces which cannot be directly seen. Asking most people to learn to sail would be like asking a Jack Russell terrier to learn chess. DSK |
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Mys Terry wrote:
On 11 Apr 2006 13:25:19 -0700, wrote: All of this silly self aggrandizement just proves my point and shows why you are making friends here so easily. Hey, YOU were the one that questioned and insulted my intelligence. Questioning your intelligence was reasonable under the circumstances. Sorry I took offense and responded instead of just cowering away, "Mys Terry," more cleverness and brilliance there. And how self aggrandizing was it to put your lame message in substitution code for no earthly reason? Seemed like the only possible reason was because you thought it somehow made you look clever or smart. Actually, I figured by using ROT13, everybody except you would read it and have a good laugh at your expense. You really beg for abuse. It all goes back to your giant ego. So then just admit that you were completely dead wrong, as I said above, in figuring that I wouldn't be able to decipher and read it. I was in on the hilariously witty and original "crayons" barb. You underestimated my intelligence and cleverness, right? Will you go along that far? You're saying right here that you for some reason didn't think I would be able to read your brilliantly encoded message? SO your estimation of my mental acuity were off-base? As it happens, I am extremely, highly intelligent. In the top 2 percentile of the population. This has been given as the result when I have been tested for IQ from early childhood all through my life. Sorry, I don't mean to brag and it doesn't mean that much in the scheme of things, but the fact is that again, your impressions, your insights, are mistaken and you are talking about something you obviously know nothing about. Sounds like I probably score quite a bit higher than you, Rich. I'm not kidding. Al right then, certainly possible, but then you must concede that you were wrong when you accused me of being dumb and not being intelligent. Unless you think that's an accurate description of someone who is merely in the top 2 percentile. I don't claim to be any smarter than I am, but I know I'm pretty damn smart. I am not stupid, not dumb, I happen to be quite intelligent, anybody who knows me or works with me knows it, and I just don't take well to being spoken down to and insulted....it's only human. Your intelligence has nothing to do with your obnoxiousness. If you were a little smarter you'd be able to figure that out. YOu said I should feel dumb. That was a comment about my intelligence, not about obnoxiousness. You were mistaken as well as gratuitously and inaccurately insulting. You are bright but in this case you were wrong and way off-base. Will you grant me this, apologizing would be appropriate, but I don't expect that kind of humility or courtesy, and we can move on. You're wrong, okay? If you think you're so much more intelligent than me, how about a game of Scrabble Oh, now There's a challenge! or an in-person challenge over some kind of puzzle even more complex than a simple childish letter-substitution cryptogram? Everybody but you seems to know that it's the common usenet encryption used when you want to give people an option of not reading something, known far and wide as ROT13. I knew what it was and without being in on the secret Usenet ROT13 club (have been posting on usenet for close to ten years but I've just never encountered that, sorry), I deciphered and cracked this brilliant ingenious code on my own and read your message. You're right, I've never heard of ROT13 but if that's supposed to keep people from understanding messages, I guess obviously I'm way above the threshold of people you figured would be locked out of getting your clever hilarious joke. Unlike some people, I can just admit it when I don't know something and have learned something new. At the same time, it strikes me as ridiculously pretentious and precious to have a secret special name for such a childish letter-substitution code and consider oneself in some exclusive smartass club to know it, when again, a reasonably bright pre-adolescent who's never heard of or used Usenet, could solve the code, understand any message and be in the club in a few minutes. LIke I said, without already knowing the code or its secret-insider-club name, I solved it thusly, while I was working on my software development too, just scribbling on paper and had this figured in 5 minutes or so, my notes are still he Sorry it was far over your head and you couldn't learn anything from it. I'd Fbeel vg jnf sne bire lbhe urnq naq lbh pbhyqa'g yrnea nalguvat sebz vg. V'q like to report it in a way you might be able to grasp it but until the yvxr gb ercbfg vg va n jnl lbh zvtug or noyr gb tenfc vg, ohg hagvy gur technology improves I won't be able to post in Usenet with crayons. grpuabybtl vzcebirf, V jba'g or noyr gb cbfg gb hfrarg jvgu penlbaf ....or course your oh-so-clever message is a little grammatically wanting in the phrase "in a way you might be able to grasp it," but no, this didn't sail over my head as you predicted, it wasn't beyond my meager grasp, it didn't leave everyone laughing behind my back. You didn't answer any of my questions. If you're so much more intelligent than I, just tell me your IQ and SAT's and whether you've tested into Mensa. Strictly honors system, I'll believe you. It was a long time ago, but my SAT's were 740/780 That's outstanding, indeed, higher than mine (somewhat, not necessarily "quite a bit" in your words), which was 760 math / 630 english, that was about 28 or 29 years ago for me. Pretty clearly I think you can fairly conclude that I'm not stupid, not dumb, am intelligent, am VERY intelligent, smart enough to keep up with you or pretty much anybody around this newsgroup. SO when you said to me, "You should feel dumb, now and always," which started this whole exchange, you were dead wrong, can you admit it or not? **** you anyway. I have no problem making friends in any environment in life or online except sometimes here in rec.boats.cruising; "belligerent" is about the last thing in the world that anybody who knows me in real life would be able to say about me - I guess some of you guys just bring out the best in me with your charming friendly attitudes. Uh, Rich... This is usenet, not real life. Correct, and it is the point I was making. You are known here as a ****wit with a PWC. Who cares what a bunch of guys who don't know me, have never met me, know nothing about me, and are so shallow-minded and intolerant as to jump to all kinds of false conclusions about me at the very onset of the conversation, based solely on the size and shape of my boat's hull, think about me. So why did you do the cryptogram in the first place, "Mys"? Wasn't it to show how smart you are, or how dumb I was when I was unable to decipher you brilliantly encrypted and razor-sharp witticism? Hardly. It was a courtesy. Guess you'll have to use a stronger encryption algorithm next time. But I do appreciate the effort to protect me from that again, stinging, incredibly witty "crayons" remark. Hilarious! The protection was unnecessary, the remark didn't wound me too much, but I'm glad I was able to decode it, or I would have missed out on that belly-laugh. You're like another Mark Twain or Woody Allen - the wit and delicious irony in the line, "posting with crayons," I'm still cracking up inside from that as I'm sure we all are. Have you ever heard the expression, "you just jumped the shark"? Well, that's not quite the expression you mean, but sure, it usually refers to when a tv series is no longer any good in the speaker's opinion, or maybe when a rock band stops being cool and puts out their first lame album. Not exactly, but it was the absolutely correct term for you. Whatever you say. At this point I'd be happy with you just ceasing and taking back the many personal attacks and insults directed towards me. Maybe you think I"m obnoxious, bothersome to you or whatever for talking about pwc's in a boating group, but I'm definitely not stupid, not dumb, I am bright, I am intelligent, I am clever, sorry to keep saying it but I'm hoping you will acknowledge that you were wrong about me in saying the opposite, that it was unfair and unfounded, and I'm also a safe, educated, responsible, courteous, reasonably knowledgeable (though always with tons more to learn) boater and member of the boating community, and a fully positive representative of pwc's every time I hit the water. Good enough. richforman |
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DSK wrote: ... As it happens, I am extremely, highly intelligent. In the top 2 percentile of the population. Peter Wiley wrote: Gee, all that 'talent' and you can't learn how to sail. Who said I can't? Never tried, BUT the fact is I have nothing but respect and admiration for people who sail (and very much for surfers, windsurfers and stand-up jetskiiers). I recognize the greater level of skill, experience and knowledge it requires, by far, compared to piloting a runabout pwc. Why "talent" in quotes? You can't acknowledge or imagine the possibility that maybe I have talents and abilities worthy of some degree of your respect? OH right, yes, I forgot, that's because I own a personal watercraft, I'm beneath you, inferior. Asshole! Sweartogod! Unlike some of you guys, I don't think I'm better than anybody else, have no trouble recognizing and acknowledging skills and abilities that others (including some of you in this thread) have than I don't, people who do things that I don't and (right now) can't, and affording them the proper respect. But it doesn't seem to flow both ways. Anybody here play jazz and progressive-rock keyboards professionally in addition to having a full-time IT career and boating eight months a year (plus of course having a wife, kids, and home)? Anybody develop complex enterprise-level business software pretty much single-handedly for a career? But no, I'm just an annoying idiot as far as some of you guys are concerned, no matter what my accomplishments or what I may be able to do that some of you probably never could......because I"m an lowly "annoying jetskier" no apparently one here in r.b.c deems me worthy to talk to cordially or as an equal or grant me respect. He probably wouldn't find it noisy or fast-paced enough. That certainly makes it sound like you've never read any of my posts about the kind of things that I like to do on the water...if you think loud noise and high speed are my primary interests. I told you, when I'm not jetskiing, I'm often kayaking...too noisy and fast-paced for you? Or could it be that possibly your statement, your insult directed at me, is false, unfounded, inaccurate and unfair, in fact contrary to already established facts, and that you will never acknowledge this fact? So please, please, quit insulting me, either to me or to each other, without knowing me or what you're talking about. Okay, you hate me for some reason, I"m sure it's justified, but your assumptions and statements about me are once again false. We are dealing with a huge population of people... the 3rd generation of 'raised-by-TV' kids... who are pathologically impatient and have short attention spans. Most of them also believe that gratification of their whim of the moment should be the highest priority of the Universe. Well the rhetoric is getting a little lofty for my tastes now. Kids these days! This is one reason why politics have devolved to the point it has today. Sailing is complex & subtle, requires careful observation of one's surroundings, and analysis of forces which cannot be directly seen. Like I said, and unlike some power-boaters I've spoken to, I only respect and admire accomplished sailors. I basically love all boating and, by default, like the people who do it, I don't draw walls of superiority in my mind between one type of boat/boater and another, or judge anybody based on what kind of boating they choose.....I feel as if I have a lot in common, and a lot to talk about, with anyone else who loves the water. Asking most people to learn to sail would be like asking a Jack Russell terrier to learn chess. You really are pretty full of yourself aintcha? richforman DSK |
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wrote: DSK wrote: ... As it happens, I am extremely, highly intelligent. In the top 2 percentile of the population. Peter Wiley wrote: Gee, all that 'talent' and you can't learn how to sail. Who said I can't? Never tried, BUT the fact is I have nothing but respect and admiration for people who sail (and very much for surfers, windsurfers and stand-up jetskiiers). I recognize the greater level of skill, experience and knowledge it requires, by far, compared to piloting a runabout pwc. Why "talent" in quotes? You can't acknowledge or imagine the possibility that maybe I have talents and abilities worthy of some degree of your respect? OH right, yes, I forgot, that's because I own a personal watercraft, I'm beneath you, inferior. Asshole! Sweartogod! Heh. QED. Unlike some of you guys, I don't think I'm better than anybody else, have no trouble recognizing and acknowledging skills and abilities that others (including some of you in this thread) have than I don't, people who do things that I don't and (right now) can't, and affording them the proper respect. But it doesn't seem to flow both ways. Anybody here play jazz and progressive-rock keyboards professionally Yawn. WGAF? This is rec.boats.cruising, not rich.forman.egofest My pet cat can catch birds without the use of technology and I can't. in addition to having a full-time IT career I employ people to do that sort of stuff. and boating eight months a year I get paid to go boating. (plus of course having a wife, kids, and home)? Anybody develop complex enterprise-level business software pretty much single-handedly for a career? Yawn. But no, I'm just an annoying idiot as far as some of you guys are concerned, no matter what my accomplishments or what I may be able to do that some of you probably never could......because I"m an lowly "annoying jetskier" no apparently one here in r.b.c deems me worthy to talk to cordially or as an equal or grant me respect. Correct. This is r.b.c and you drive a PWC. I doubt anyone here really cares what else you do, in this n/g. If we wanted to talk software or stuff we'd be over in the comp.lang.* area. So please, please, quit insulting me, either to me or to each other, without knowing me or what you're talking about. Okay, you hate me for some reason, I"m sure it's justified, but your assumptions and statements about me are once again false. I don't hate you at all. I just wish you'd stop saying that PWC aren't a plague on the waterways when the overwhelming experience of others here is that, in fact, they *are*. You're basically claiming that, because *you* personally may not behave in such a manner as complained of, everyone's counter experience is unrepresentative. Well, that means you're basically saying that your judgement and experience is superior to mine, for example. I disagree and think you're an arrogant twit for thinking so. Giving you the benefit of the doubt, I'll grant that you may not behave in an offensive manner, but you're *not* representative of PWC drivers IME, you're the exception. Deal with it. And you still can't explain why it's necessary to have in excess of 200 HP to move one or two people about on the water. It's ridiculous. Those damn things are either massively overpowered or massively inefficient, or both. I use less than twice that much HP to move some 8 tonnes of boat, pax and equipment at 40+ knots. Like I said, and unlike some power-boaters I've spoken to, I only respect and admire accomplished sailors. I basically love all boating and, by default, like the people who do it, I don't draw walls of superiority in my mind between one type of boat/boater and another, or judge anybody based on what kind of boating they choose.....I feel as if I have a lot in common, and a lot to talk about, with anyone else who loves the water. Well guess what - I disagree with you. Asking most people to learn to sail would be like asking a Jack Russell terrier to learn chess. You really are pretty full of yourself aintcha? Yep, Doug is full of it all right :-) But what do you expect, he hangs out in asa, he only slums here.... PDW |
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