In my never ending pursuit of the semi-consequential, here's a picture
of the three non- metallic jib sheet attachment candidates. (These are
last year's docklines so, please ignore the Irish pendants.)

http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Knots.htm

There's not a lot to chose from in overall mass and weight although
the eyesplice probably has a slight advantage.

Visualize these knots sliding over a stay and you should see some
interesting differences.

The end of the bowline is inside the bight that it shares with the
edge of the sail. I can see how flogging round could push on
the end. With stiff, modern, braid, maybe this could loosen it. With
the loop having previously maybe hung up on the stay, all sorts of
things come to mind.

The Stunsail Sheet Bend at least has the bitter end pointing away from
trouble but it makes for a pretty concentrated mass of rope right
where you already have the weight of the clew cringle or D ring.

I'd been leaning away from the eyesplice before this exercise because
it seemed that everything depended on the splice. Looking at how
locked together the splice would be under load and the fact that it
would almost be a knot without the splice holding at all, I'm becoming
converted. There is no way this is going to come untied. The only
drawback would be if you wanted to change sheets without hauling the
entire line to the bow and through but, for roller jib sheets, who
cares?

The smoothness of the splice option should also relieve the jib of
some localized chafe and wear when the sail is rolled up with the
sheets around it and flapping a bit in the wind.


--

Roger Long

And another thing:

There are two ropes taking the chafe and strain in the eyesplice
version.

I think I'll be making up a couple of eye splices tomorrow.

--

Roger Long

On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 01:43:39 GMT, "Roger Long"
wrote:

And another thing:

There are two ropes taking the chafe and strain in the eyesplice
version.

I think I'll be making up a couple of eye splices tomorrow.

Looks like you've answered your own question. I think that's fine for
roller furling.

Sounds like you have already discarded the idea of a stunsail hitch, but
were you to use it on a jibsheet, you'd probably have to cut it off.

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
In my never ending pursuit of the semi-consequential, here's a picture
of the three non- metallic jib sheet attachment candidates. (These are
last year's docklines so, please ignore the Irish pendants.)

http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Knots.htm

There's not a lot to chose from in overall mass and weight although
the eyesplice probably has a slight advantage.

Visualize these knots sliding over a stay and you should see some
interesting differences.

The end of the bowline is inside the bight that it shares with the
edge of the sail. I can see how flogging round could push on
the end. With stiff, modern, braid, maybe this could loosen it. With
the loop having previously maybe hung up on the stay, all sorts of
things come to mind.

The Stunsail Sheet Bend at least has the bitter end pointing away from
trouble but it makes for a pretty concentrated mass of rope right
where you already have the weight of the clew cringle or D ring.

I'd been leaning away from the eyesplice before this exercise because
it seemed that everything depended on the splice. Looking at how
locked together the splice would be under load and the fact that it
would almost be a knot without the splice holding at all, I'm becoming
converted. There is no way this is going to come untied. The only
drawback would be if you wanted to change sheets without hauling the
entire line to the bow and through but, for roller jib sheets, who
cares?

The smoothness of the splice option should also relieve the jib of
some localized chafe and wear when the sail is rolled up with the
sheets around it and flapping a bit in the wind.


--

Roger Long

Garland Gray II wrote:
Sounds like you have already discarded the idea of a stunsail hitch, but
were you to use it on a jibsheet, you'd probably have to cut it off.


I've never had one I couldn't untie, though a few have fought back a bit.

I think a lot depends on whether you are actually using the knot to
take the jib sheets on and off either for headsail changes or stowage.

With a roller jib, you stretch it, soak it, bake it, stretch it, soak
it, and bake it again. After a season or two of that, about the only
thing that's going to get any knot undone is a hacksaw.

It's a real toss up at this point between the spliced eyes and the
sunsail hitch. Wanting to try the parallel core eye splice is the
real balance tipper.

--

Roger Long



"Jeff" wrote in message
news
Garland Gray II wrote:
Sounds like you have already discarded the idea of a stunsail
hitch, but were you to use it on a jibsheet, you'd probably have to
cut it off.


I've never had one I couldn't untie, though a few have fought back a
bit.

OK, OK, I must confess, I have only "read" that the stunsail hitch might
need to be cut off. I have used a similar knot --with a couple of extra
turns, much like a stevedore knot--to tie to halyard shackles, and there is
NO way they could be untied. My previous boat came rigged this way, and I
came to appreciate using this knot instead of an eyesplice.
As Roger says, a lot depends on how much load, how long, and also how small
a line, and whether a winch is used.

"Jeff" wrote in message
news
Garland Gray II wrote:
Sounds like you have already discarded the idea of a stunsail hitch, but
were you to use it on a jibsheet, you'd probably have to cut it off.


I've never had one I couldn't untie, though a few have fought back a bit.

Have you heard of and/or considered the "splicing nut"?

www.splicingnut.com

Seems like it might be worth a look.

Howard

Roger Long wrote:
In my never ending pursuit of the semi-consequential, here's a picture
of the three non- metallic jib sheet attachment candidates. (These are
last year's docklines so, please ignore the Irish pendants.)

http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Knots.htm

There's not a lot to chose from in overall mass and weight although
the eyesplice probably has a slight advantage.

Visualize these knots sliding over a stay and you should see some
interesting differences.

The end of the bowline is inside the bight that it shares with the
edge of the sail. I can see how flogging round could push on
the end. With stiff, modern, braid, maybe this could loosen it. With
the loop having previously maybe hung up on the stay, all sorts of
things come to mind.

The Stunsail Sheet Bend at least has the bitter end pointing away from
trouble but it makes for a pretty concentrated mass of rope right
where you already have the weight of the clew cringle or D ring.

I'd been leaning away from the eyesplice before this exercise because
it seemed that everything depended on the splice. Looking at how
locked together the splice would be under load and the fact that it
would almost be a knot without the splice holding at all, I'm becoming
converted. There is no way this is going to come untied. The only
drawback would be if you wanted to change sheets without hauling the
entire line to the bow and through but, for roller jib sheets, who
cares?

The smoothness of the splice option should also relieve the jib of
some localized chafe and wear when the sail is rolled up with the
sheets around it and flapping a bit in the wind.

Howard wrote:
Have you heard of and/or considered the "splicing nut"?

www.splicingnut.com

Seems like it might be worth a look.


The largest size offered is 3/8 inch. Also, no specs on strength.
However, they do look cute.