Maynard G. Krebbs wrote:
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:29:10 -0500, Gogarty
wrote:


In article rs.com,
says...


The jist was that there are some new high tech ropes that have different
characteristics than we are accoustomed to and you may need to be
careful. I think that this was some sort of braid over a parallel core
but would not swear to it.


Have some of that stuff on my new main halyard. Maybe some people can splice
it. I can't. So it is affixed to the head shackle with a knot, but not a
bowline. I forget the name but it is specifically recommended for halyards
because it will not come loose and will not jam in the sheaves. It's also
whipped to make sure it won't come loose.


Possibly a "Buntline Hitch"?
Mark E. Williams
The buntline hitch is the same as the stuns'l tackbend that I have
advocated on a number of occasions, and Roger showed in his picture.

http://www.dirauxwest.org/knots/buntline.htm

It is the perfect knot for a number of places, such as the halyard,
but can be a problem if used to attach two large sheets to a jib.

Maybe you know. I got no answer from the traditionalists over at the
Wooden Boat forum.

How did people attach their jib sheets back in the age of canvas?
Everyone seems to use bowlines now but, if something like a stuns'l
tackbend has a special name, why not jib sheet clews.

I notice that a knot with "tack" in it probably is intended to get the
sail as close into the block as possible. Even with my current
splicing enthusiasm, I'm still going to attach my halyard shackles
this way. Easy to move the chafe point, easy to grab, no thick splice
in the sheave, what's not to like?

I think spliced loops are the way to go for roller jibs that are going
to come down on deck anyway before anyone takes the sheets off. I'd
hate to have someone talk me out of it though just after making the
two eye splices. (Better hurry)

--

Roger Long



"Jeff" wrote in message
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Maynard G. Krebbs wrote:
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:29:10 -0500, Gogarty
wrote:


In article
rvers.com,
says...


The jist was that there are some new high tech ropes that have
different characteristics than we are accoustomed to and you may
need to be careful. I think that this was some sort of braid over
a parallel core but would not swear to it.


Have some of that stuff on my new main halyard. Maybe some people
can splice it. I can't. So it is affixed to the head shackle with a
knot, but not a bowline. I forget the name but it is specifically
recommended for halyards because it will not come loose and will
not jam in the sheaves. It's also whipped to make sure it won't
come loose.


Possibly a "Buntline Hitch"?
Mark E. Williams
The buntline hitch is the same as the stuns'l tackbend that I have
advocated on a number of occasions, and Roger showed in his picture.

http://www.dirauxwest.org/knots/buntline.htm

It is the perfect knot for a number of places, such as the halyard,
but can be a problem if used to attach two large sheets to a jib.

Roger Long wrote:
Maybe you know. I got no answer from the traditionalists over at the
Wooden Boat forum.

How did people attach their jib sheets back in the age of canvas?
Everyone seems to use bowlines now but, if something like a stuns'l
tackbend has a special name, why not jib sheet clews.

I don't know. I have a few books I can look through, and it is time
for my Spring visit to the USS Constitution, so I might be able to
come up with an answer in a few days.


I notice that a knot with "tack" in it probably is intended to get the
sail as close into the block as possible. Even with my current
splicing enthusiasm, I'm still going to attach my halyard shackles
this way. Easy to move the chafe point, easy to grab, no thick splice
in the sheave, what's not to like?

yup!


I think spliced loops are the way to go for roller jibs that are going
to come down on deck anyway before anyone takes the sheets off. I'd
hate to have someone talk me out of it though just after making the
two eye splices. (Better hurry)

I agree that there is virtue in a eye splice doubled through the
cringle - I setup some of my fenders this way, figuring it can handle
twice the abuse this way. But before you do it, make sure your clew
can handle four passes of the line. And is the shape of it such that
each will pull in the proper direction, even after they're drawn tight?

Jeff wrote:
Maynard G. Krebbs wrote:

On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:29:10 -0500, Gogarty
wrote:


In article rs.com,
says...


The jist was that there are some new high tech ropes that have
different characteristics than we are accoustomed to and you may
need to be careful. I think that this was some sort of braid over a
parallel core but would not swear to it.


Have some of that stuff on my new main halyard. Maybe some people can
splice it. I can't. So it is affixed to the head shackle with a knot,
but not a bowline. I forget the name but it is specifically
recommended for halyards because it will not come loose and will not
jam in the sheaves. It's also whipped to make sure it won't come loose.



Possibly a "Buntline Hitch"?
Mark E. Williams

The buntline hitch is the same as the stuns'l tackbend that I have
advocated on a number of occasions, and Roger showed in his picture.

http://www.dirauxwest.org/knots/buntline.htm

It is the perfect knot for a number of places, such as the halyard, but
can be a problem if used to attach two large sheets to a jib.
Buntline hitches are hard to undo. We use them where we need a strong
knot that takes no space and never gets undone. The bitter end of the
reefing lines (on the boom).

For all our sheets we use bowlines. We haven't had one come undone
since I have been sailing the boat. Our genoa sheets are 25mm or about
an inch in diameter. If we used a correspondingly large shackle it
would do significant damage. Even so we have had sailors knocked out by
the line itself. Sure the bowline occasionally gets snagged on a shroud
but it shakes it self loose pretty quickly. Not really a problem.

We tie our bowlines with long tails. One bowline is tied close to the
sail, the other a little longer so they don't make double the lump to
get around the shrouds.

Gary