"Larry" wrote in message
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pruned

Jump overboard from your lofty helm perch and start frantically
screaming
and waving your arms in distress. Click the stopwatch on your
diver's
Rolex Oyster to time this event.

How long was it before they got her turned around and came
effortlessly
alongside your position to retrieve you, using the finest
navigation and
methods of retrieval?

As a matter of interest, do all US boats have boarding/bathing
ladders?

In the nice warm Mediterranean, most boats do. Easily the best and
quickest aid to getting someone aboard in most circumstances.

In the cold waters of UK, they're rare. Perverse? 'Blow up that
dinghy - Fast!'

JimB

Thats an interesting comment.

I spent a lot of time in my youth in the Canadian maritimes and on the
'rock' Newfoundland. I asked the question in an outport of why the
women so outnumbered the men. The answer was - they all drowned.
Incredulous I then asked doesnt any know how to swim? The reply to
that was - no they didnt bother learn to swim because it was a waste of
time. A waste of time!!!! why is that so, if so many drowned?????
The next answer - the water is so cold that even the best swimmer could
only survive a few minutes anyway so why bother to go through all that
trouble and drown anyway.

The Titanic sunk off the Canadian maritimes and probably all that
drowned, suffered hypothermia first, then drowned.

Rich Hampel wrote:
Thats an interesting comment.

I spent a lot of time in my youth in the Canadian maritimes and on the
'rock' Newfoundland. I asked the question in an outport of why the
women so outnumbered the men. The answer was - they all drowned.
Incredulous I then asked doesnt any know how to swim? The reply to
that was - no they didnt bother learn to swim because it was a waste of
time. A waste of time!!!! why is that so, if so many drowned?????
The next answer - the water is so cold that even the best swimmer could
only survive a few minutes anyway so why bother to go through all that
trouble and drown anyway.

The Titanic sunk off the Canadian maritimes and probably all that
drowned, suffered hypothermia first, then drowned.

One of our cameramen went on a shoot up north half a dozen years ago.
He asked the Inuit fishermen (who weren't wearing lifejackets) what to
do if the boat sank. They said to drink lots of water on the way
down... in other words, don't prolong the agony.
It's not that bad in the Maritimes during the June-October period.
In some bays on the Atlantic side, the water reaches mid to high 60s.
On the Northumberland Straight, even higher.
What do they say... in 50 degree water, half the people could last half
an hour. We all know that sailors are more rugged than most!

I think its more like: "you only have a 50% chance of swimming 50 yards
in 50 degree water", .......... then you become moderately hypothermic
(lose all muscle control), then you drown/die.


In article , Don White
wrote:

Rich Hampel wrote:
Thats an interesting comment.

I spent a lot of time in my youth in the Canadian maritimes and on the
'rock' Newfoundland. I asked the question in an outport of why the
women so outnumbered the men. The answer was - they all drowned.
Incredulous I then asked doesnt any know how to swim? The reply to
that was - no they didnt bother learn to swim because it was a waste of
time. A waste of time!!!! why is that so, if so many drowned?????
The next answer - the water is so cold that even the best swimmer could
only survive a few minutes anyway so why bother to go through all that
trouble and drown anyway.

The Titanic sunk off the Canadian maritimes and probably all that
drowned, suffered hypothermia first, then drowned.

One of our cameramen went on a shoot up north half a dozen years ago.
He asked the Inuit fishermen (who weren't wearing lifejackets) what to
do if the boat sank. They said to drink lots of water on the way
down... in other words, don't prolong the agony.
It's not that bad in the Maritimes during the June-October period.
In some bays on the Atlantic side, the water reaches mid to high 60s.
On the Northumberland Straight, even higher.
What do they say... in 50 degree water, half the people could last half
an hour. We all know that sailors are more rugged than most!

News f2s wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message
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pruned

Jump overboard from your lofty helm perch and start frantically
screaming
and waving your arms in distress. Click the stopwatch on your
diver's
Rolex Oyster to time this event.


How long was it before they got her turned around and came
effortlessly
alongside your position to retrieve you, using the finest
navigation and
methods of retrieval?


As a matter of interest, do all US boats have boarding/bathing
ladders?

In the nice warm Mediterranean, most boats do. Easily the best and
quickest aid to getting someone aboard in most circumstances.

In the cold waters of UK, they're rare. Perverse? 'Blow up that
dinghy - Fast!'

JimB



In Canada a re-boarding device is a requirement on boats 6 metres or
over with a freeboard in excess of .5 metre.
http://boating.ncf.ca/equipment.html

"Don White" wrote in message
news:abqDf.3902$VV4.103038@ursa-
As a matter of interest, do all US boats have boarding/bathing
ladders?

In the nice warm Mediterranean, most boats do. Easily the best
and quickest aid to getting someone aboard in most
circumstances.

In the cold waters of UK, they're rare. Perverse? 'Blow up that
dinghy - Fast!'

JimB



In Canada a re-boarding device is a requirement on boats 6
metres or over with a freeboard in excess of .5 metre.
http://boating.ncf.ca/equipment.html

Interesting. But in my opinion the reboarding device has to be
permanently mounted in such a way that a person in the water (as -
falling into the sea while boarding, a common event, even at the
dockside) can immediately swim round to it, drop the ladder and
climb back aboard.

JimB

News f2s wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
news:abqDf.3902$VV4.103038@ursa-

As a matter of interest, do all US boats have boarding/bathing
ladders?

In the nice warm Mediterranean, most boats do. Easily the best
and quickest aid to getting someone aboard in most
circumstances.

In the cold waters of UK, they're rare. Perverse? 'Blow up that
dinghy - Fast!'

JimB




In Canada a re-boarding device is a requirement on boats 6
metres or over with a freeboard in excess of .5 metre.
http://boating.ncf.ca/equipment.html


Interesting. But in my opinion the reboarding device has to be
permanently mounted in such a way that a person in the water (as -
falling into the sea while boarding, a common event, even at the
dockside) can immediately swim round to it, drop the ladder and
climb back aboard.

JimB


Yup!
That's why I installed a four rung ss boarding ladder on my transom last
year. I'll keep the little hook model that came with the boat for 'over
the side' boarding in rough seas.

"Don White" wrote in message
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News f2s wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
news:abqDf.3902$VV4.103038@ursa-

As a matter of interest, do all US boats have boarding/bathing
ladders?

In the nice warm Mediterranean, most boats do. Easily the best
and quickest aid to getting someone aboard in most
circumstances.

In the cold waters of UK, they're rare. Perverse? 'Blow up that
dinghy - Fast!'

JimB




In Canada a re-boarding device is a requirement on boats 6
metres or over with a freeboard in excess of .5 metre.
http://boating.ncf.ca/equipment.html


Interesting. But in my opinion the reboarding device has to be
permanently mounted in such a way that a person in the water (as -
falling into the sea while boarding, a common event, even at the
dockside) can immediately swim round to it, drop the ladder and
climb back aboard.

JimB


Yup!
That's why I installed a four rung ss boarding ladder on my transom last
year. I'll keep the little hook model that came with the boat for 'over
the side' boarding in rough seas.

A PO of my boat did go over the side and couldn't get back aboard until
someone came by and helped him out of the water. The boat has an outboard
rudder, so he installed a step on it and another on the ransom. I have never
tried it in rough water, but again if it is that rough, I stay in the
pilothouse if at all possible.

Leanne

"News f2s" wrote in news:drlcn7$qc9$1
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Interesting. But in my opinion the reboarding device has to be
permanently mounted in such a way that a person in the water (as -
falling into the sea while boarding, a common event, even at the
dockside) can immediately swim round to it, drop the ladder and
climb back aboard.

JimB


We have a reboarding device hanging down from our marina dock. We almost
lost one of the drunk sailors one night.....

We were all sitting in a cabin drinking heavily listening to the usual
sea stories and other BS that fills the space between refills. One of
our "regulars" got up and left the boat to **** over the side of the
dock, hopefully not in someone's dingy.

Well, he was in worse condition than he thought. He fell over-the-side
of the dock between a couple of boats, dead drunk, with noone topside to
witness and save him as we were all drunk in the cabin, music blaring and
some young honey making us all drool, dreaming of the possibilities....

Noone really noticed his extended absence as he has been known to crawl
into his boat and bunk many times before, never even saying good night.

About an hour later, here he comes back aboard wearing clean clothes far
different from what he left with. We asked him what happened and he told
us of falling into the water, swimming drunk around to the boarding
platform of a transient's trawler on another dock, walking back to his
boat soaking wet....then changing his clothes to come back to the party
because we had more great vodka to drink up. Not until the next day did
the dock realize we could have lost him the previous night.

So, we installed a nice boarding ladder in his honor on the side of the
main dock centrally located so he wouldn't have to walk so far...(c;

We call it "Lloyd's Ladder"....(c;

"News f2s" wrote in message
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"Larry" wrote in message
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pruned

Jump overboard from your lofty helm perch and start frantically screaming
and waving your arms in distress. Click the stopwatch on your diver's
Rolex Oyster to time this event.

How long was it before they got her turned around and came effortlessly
alongside your position to retrieve you, using the finest navigation and
methods of retrieval?

As a matter of interest, do all US boats have boarding/bathing ladders?

In the nice warm Mediterranean, most boats do. Easily the best and
quickest aid to getting someone aboard in most circumstances.

In the cold waters of UK, they're rare. Perverse? 'Blow up that dinghy -
Fast!'

JimB

I think and most experts agree that boarding from the stern is a bad idea in
all but the most benign conditions. Certainly there are times in the Med
when it's fine, but other times are not ok. Warm water isn't the only
critieria.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com