Jet Ski overheating problem
 

The_Giz wrote:
Soooo skipper... have a nice sail. But you know.. the next time you find
yourself being annoyed by powerboaters and/or PWC's...... just stop and
think for a second. Maybe, just maybe these BOATERS are annoying you simply
because you're an ASS.

Around here it usually means the powerboater left it on autopilot
while he went to take a leak, and then he stopped for a beer.

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

Everybody on the Internet is a member of Mensa.

I don't know about that - I'm not, didn't keep up the dues because I
wasn't really getting
much out of it - didn't need to join another club and go to meetings
and events because
my life is already pretty full with the day job, wife, kids, working
weekends as a musician,
and boating. But I was a member for a year or two, just a few years
back; I just took the entrance test
out of curiosity and pride (egotism I guess), was pretty sure I'd get
in and I did. Then I found
out that I didn't even need to take the test, could have gotten in just
by showing my SAT results,
also in the top 2% percentile of the population....not to brag or
anything, but someone in the
post earlier questioned my intelligence, and believe me, it's not in
question.

richforman

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

In article ,
The_Giz wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...

After all... we're all BOATERS... and it's the right thing to do.

We are. You guys are just another hazard on the water.

Well Jonathan.... I'm sorry you feel that way. It's a childish and immature
attitude, but it's yours to have.

No, it's not. EVERYTHING on the water is a potential hazard. If you
think otherwise, then you're the one with the problem.

But think what you may, by every classification except yours, we are
boaters.

No. EVERYTHING ON THE WATER YOU DUNCE!

atrocity.... and I'll wager a small bet that you absolutely think that my
pleasure cruiser is an abomination.... and that my ski boat just absolutely
sucks because it doesn't sport a sail and can't perform the duties that you

Not at all. Neither in fact. It's typically the people on them that
are the abomination.

You are a member of the (thankfully) small group of boaters that really
doesn't deserve to be accommodated by the others on what is absolutely a

Bwahahaha.. well, you told me off didn't you!

Soooo skipper... have a nice sail. But you know.. the next time you find
yourself being annoyed by powerboaters and/or PWC's...... just stop and
think for a second. Maybe, just maybe these BOATERS are annoying you simply
because you're an ASS.

I did think that once, then I came to my senses!!

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

In article ,
The_Giz wrote:
No, no, no, no no...... sigh

Ya see.... there's part of the problem. You need to isolate the actions and
attitudes of the individual from those of the *group*.

It's not the "powerboaters" mentality..... It's *MY* mentality. It's all
mine. I own it. And I won't share.

And it's not directed at "sailboaters". It's exclusively directed at
Jonathan. It's all his. And he earned it. And God knows, we all know... he
won't share either.

Be quiet Scotty, I EARNED IT!
--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

Well Jonathan.... I'm sorry you feel that way. It's a childish and
immature
attitude, but it's yours to have.

No, it's not. EVERYTHING on the water is a potential hazard. If you
think otherwise, then you're the one with the problem.


Ahhh... so now we've gone from being a HAZARD to being a *potential* hazard.

I see a huge difference between the two (potential murderer... murder....
shrug)... but to you I'm sure it's just minutia.

The DUNCE

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

Terry,
Very well said, but save your bandwidth. (Teaching a pig to sing and
such.)

Billy believes he was the right(maybe the requirement) to take any
vessel anywhere close aboard at flank speed. He is convinced that, if a
vessel has any machinery onboard, it does not qualify as a vessel
undersail regardless of the situation. He has proven he is not capable
of interpreting Colregs the same way as the OMI to whom I wrote the
pages of my license examinations.

I just wish he had said where he is so we could all avoid him.

Matt Colie - See prior sigs - I'm tired of this.



Terry Spragg wrote:
at least it was on topic!
NI!

Terry K


Bill McKee wrote:
Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the
world be damned. Bill McKee wrote:


Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length.



Well, if you put it that way, it sounds like it should be right, and
logically, it is exactly correct, and if you read what you wrote,
you may see why it is so funny, that you bite your own tail. Sailboats
can not just turn, (or not turn,) as wanted. They are overpowered by
the wind all the time. The wind blows sailboats around like leaves
sometimes. As a mariner, you are expected to understand that, anticipate
it, and survive the hazards anyway.

Overtaking vessels must keep clear, sail or power. If they cannot,
they must slow down to a safe speed, even stop. Chewy beans.

You are expected and required to understand sail and power, and all
their constraints, or stay home.

Sailboats flop about out of control from time to time, motor on or
off, whenever the sails are up and the wind is alive, it is the
nature of the game: 15 HP auxiliary engines, thousand HP wild winds,
waves, sails, ropes, winches, flying fish, nature, etc, etc. You
understand, don't you? If not, you should not be in command on the water.

What you don't seem to grasp is that no one except possibly you,
would purposely hit someone with a car or boat, just because they were
****ed off and somehow surmise that they are in the right, have the
right of way, and therefore, have a license to kill anyone who does not
stay out of your way, regardless.

This attitude you seemingly cherish may well cause you to spend the
latter years of your life locked in a cell being raped by real nasty
*******s with really big muscles and real nasty diseases. On the
evidence you provide, I would bet two cents you are prettier than you
are smart.

On the water, all the regulations in the world are there to settle
lawsuits after damages occur, and to impress on mariners that collisions
are to be avoided by any means, at all costs, regardless of the causes.
The reason why should be obvious. A collision at sea can ruin your whole
life. Like being bitten by a dog, it can change your attitude forever,
the hard way.

Don't feel too bad, even real sea captains sometimes hit other
ships, and blow cities like Halifax all to hell, because they make
little mistakes early on, and suddenly find they cannot avoid the
other guy's similar idiocy. We are all human, right?

'Course, those arrogant guys usually end up losing their nice cushy
seat at the Captain's table, and deservedly so. Some commit suicide
once their role in disaster becomes obvious. These men have
consciences, at least. Some of their very cushy seats disappear below
the titanic icy waves as they sit in them, along with thousands of their
passengers.

Icebergs and the wind just don't care. It is left to us to be
responsible, considerate, cautious and courteous. Some grow up
earlier than others. Some never make it.

Fair winds to you, and the best of luck, for all our sakes. Your
skills, knowledge and attitude probably won't help you, your passengers,
or locals much. Old sailors would treat you like a rock awash, if you
would just keep still.

Otherwise, we fear for you.

Terry K

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

You are a hazard. Jet-skis are potential hazards.

Clar?

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"The_Giz" wrote in message
...

Well Jonathan.... I'm sorry you feel that way. It's a childish and
immature
attitude, but it's yours to have.

No, it's not. EVERYTHING on the water is a potential hazard. If you
think otherwise, then you're the one with the problem.


Ahhh... so now we've gone from being a HAZARD to being a *potential*
hazard.

I see a huge difference between the two (potential murderer... murder....
shrug)... but to you I'm sure it's just minutia.

The DUNCE

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

"Matt Colie" wrote in message
...
Terry,
Very well said, but save your bandwidth. (Teaching a pig to sing and
such.)

Billy believes he was the right(maybe the requirement) to take any vessel
anywhere close aboard at flank speed. He is convinced that, if a vessel
has any machinery onboard, it does not qualify as a vessel undersail
regardless of the situation. He has proven he is not capable of
interpreting Colregs the same way as the OMI to whom I wrote the pages of
my license examinations.

I just wish he had said where he is so we could all avoid him.

Matt Colie - See prior sigs - I'm tired of this.



Terry Spragg wrote:
at least it was on topic!
NI!

Terry K


Bill McKee wrote:
Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the
world be damned. Bill McKee wrote:


Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length.



Well, if you put it that way, it sounds like it should be right, and
logically, it is exactly correct, and if you read what you wrote,
you may see why it is so funny, that you bite your own tail. Sailboats
can not just turn, (or not turn,) as wanted. They are overpowered by the
wind all the time. The wind blows sailboats around like leaves sometimes.
As a mariner, you are expected to understand that, anticipate it, and
survive the hazards anyway.

Overtaking vessels must keep clear, sail or power. If they cannot,
they must slow down to a safe speed, even stop. Chewy beans.

You are expected and required to understand sail and power, and all
their constraints, or stay home.

Sailboats flop about out of control from time to time, motor on or
off, whenever the sails are up and the wind is alive, it is the
nature of the game: 15 HP auxiliary engines, thousand HP wild winds,
waves, sails, ropes, winches, flying fish, nature, etc, etc. You
understand, don't you? If not, you should not be in command on the
water.

What you don't seem to grasp is that no one except possibly you,
would purposely hit someone with a car or boat, just because they were
****ed off and somehow surmise that they are in the right, have the right
of way, and therefore, have a license to kill anyone who does not stay
out of your way, regardless.

This attitude you seemingly cherish may well cause you to spend the
latter years of your life locked in a cell being raped by real nasty
*******s with really big muscles and real nasty diseases. On the evidence
you provide, I would bet two cents you are prettier than you are smart.

On the water, all the regulations in the world are there to settle
lawsuits after damages occur, and to impress on mariners that collisions
are to be avoided by any means, at all costs, regardless of the causes.
The reason why should be obvious. A collision at sea can ruin your whole
life. Like being bitten by a dog, it can change your attitude forever,
the hard way.

Don't feel too bad, even real sea captains sometimes hit other
ships, and blow cities like Halifax all to hell, because they make
little mistakes early on, and suddenly find they cannot avoid the
other guy's similar idiocy. We are all human, right?

'Course, those arrogant guys usually end up losing their nice cushy
seat at the Captain's table, and deservedly so. Some commit suicide
once their role in disaster becomes obvious. These men have
consciences, at least. Some of their very cushy seats disappear below the
titanic icy waves as they sit in them, along with thousands of their
passengers.

Icebergs and the wind just don't care. It is left to us to be
responsible, considerate, cautious and courteous. Some grow up
earlier than others. Some never make it.

Fair winds to you, and the best of luck, for all our sakes. Your skills,
knowledge and attitude probably won't help you, your passengers, or
locals much. Old sailors would treat you like a rock awash, if you would
just keep still.

Otherwise, we fear for you.

Terry K


Bite Me. propulsion motor on, equal power boat.

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

You are a hazard. Jet-skis are potential hazards.

Clar?

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

As are you in your sailboat. Care to argue that point?

Giz

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

Bill McKee wrote:
"Matt Colie" wrote in message
Billy believes he was the right(maybe the requirement) to take any vessel
anywhere close aboard at flank speed. He is convinced that, if a vessel
has any machinery onboard, it does not qualify as a vessel undersail
regardless of the situation. He has proven he is not capable of
interpreting Colregs the same way as the OMI to whom I wrote the pages of
my license examinations.

I just wish he had said where he is so we could all avoid him.

Bite Me. propulsion motor on, equal power boat.


But, that's not what the rules actually say. They are quite explicit,
the propulsion machinery must be used. A sailboat warming up its
engine, or running it to charge batteries, is still a sailboat.

OTOH, if they failed to use it to avoid a collision, they'd have some
explaining to do. But that's the case whether or not it was running.

Further, the sailboat's responsibilities are its concern. It's your
responsibility to treat a vessel that looks like a sailboat as a
sailboat. That includes not passing within 15 feet at 25 mph.