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"Don White" wrote in message
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Bill McKee wrote:



No, it was a 25' sailboat under power. A powerboat. They then raised
sails, while motor is still running and made a 90 degree turn in front of
me. Still a powerboat. And I guess DSK would argue that it is a
sailboat at all times.

How long are you gonna beat this dead horse? You should have raised the
sailboat on VHF...bet you could have talked him to death.

Seems as if you and yours are beating it to death. If there was time to
raise him on the VHF, we would have been a lot further apart when he turned.

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Is there any chance of declaring a cease-fire on this thread, or at least
consigning it to newsgroups other than rec.boats.building?

It has had nothing to do with boat-building for the last 100 or so
acrimonious, ad-hominem entries.

Please allow us to get back to our usual squabbles over wood versus
fiberglass. (g)

Seems as if you and yours are beating it to death.

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"Alex" wrote in message
. net...
Is there any chance of declaring a cease-fire on this thread, or at least
consigning it to newsgroups other than rec.boats.building?

It has had nothing to do with boat-building for the last 100 or so
acrimonious, ad-hominem entries.

Please allow us to get back to our usual squabbles over wood versus
fiberglass. (g)

Seems as if you and yours are beating it to death.


Ah, but you should have interjected something about the potential difference
between the damage sustained on a fiberglass vs. wooden vessel!

Would the fiberglass better absorb the blow? g

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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I've been sailing - you know, quietly enjoying time on the water, in an
area where there are *no* PWC's......

As for your pathetic whine below, WRT breaking speed zones etc, sure.
As for not carrying safety gear aboard, I don't give a rat's, frankly,
since the only people going to be harmed are those directly
responsible.

Ditto for consuming alcohol.

Now where does that leave you? Nowhere because you know damn well that
the reason PWC and owners of PWC have such a bad rep is because they
*earned* it.

PDW

In article .com,
wrote:

Again, to both of you, I guess you're being oh so humorous, but should
these same kind of penalties be applied towards other non-pwc boaters
who break the rules, speed or wake zones, overtaking or being overtaken
improperly, not having enough life jackets on board or not having
jackets on all children, drinking alcoholic beverages while
boating....or is it just those violators whose boat types annoy you
personally, who should be subject to this kind of thing? Just
wondering.

richforman

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I didn't mention killing anyone. A small charge that trashed the engine
would do fine.

PDW

In article . com,
wrote:

I'd support letting PWC back on the water if and only if they came
equipped with an explosive charge that detonated if the vehicle
exceeded the speed limits in mooring fields or other slow speed zones,
or within say 50m of the shoreline. Those who want to play chicken with
boats underway, I'd leave to the shotgun and rifle owning fraternity.

Then of course you'd support the same system for ANY power boats, that
they'd ALL explode and kill the operator if you exceeded the speed
limits or broke any rules? If so,
I'd go RIGHT along with you.

Or that should only apply to pwc operators, because they annoy you and
you don't like them?

richforman

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I've been gone a week and I notice Rich hasn't had the guts to tackle
this one.

Guess I was spot-on when I said he didn't just want to get out on the
water, he wanted to get on the water AND GO FAST.

Really, he's like Bobsprit except the saving grace with sailboats is
you need some knowledge and skill to operate one, thus keeping Bob
moored to a dock. Any idiot with a credit card can run a PWC, so that's
what you usually get.

PDW

In article , Jonathan Ganz
wrote:

In article ,
Peter Wiley wrote:
In article , Jonathan Ganz
wrote:
Yeah. Get a sailing dinghy. Not only will it cost less to buy than a
PWC, it'll cost a lot less to run, too, even with a 2HP Honda 4 stroke
outboard.

I had a 4HP, 2 stroke on mine. I guess I'm a jet-skier... sigh.

Hah, i'm looking at getting a 3 HP for my daysailer.

But people like this one don't do that, because they not only want to
be on the water, they also want to go fast without learning sailing
skills.

Amended: boating skills. We wouldn't want to exclude Doug. :-)

Doug still owns a sailboat and knows a lot more about sailing than I
do. Not, note, that I claim it's a difficult thing to do.....

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In article , DSK
wrote:

"Dr. Dr. Smithers" Ask Me about my Phd @ Diploma Mill .com wrote in
JimC,
If there is a collision and both boats could have avoided the collision,
both boats can be held partially reasonable. If the sailboat in a passing
situation turns in front of another boat and it is not reasonable for the
other boater to avoid the collision, the powerboater will not be held
responsible.


Do you realize that your two statements are a direct contradiction of
each other?

Jim Carter wrote:
Dr. Smithers, the first part of your statement is absolutely correct. The
second part of your statement is incorrect in as much as there is no such
thing as it being "not reasonable" for the powerboater to avoid the
collision in the way Bill has described the situation. In this case it
would have been the fault of Bill's judgement. He was too close and too
fast in the situation. He MUST stay clear in the overtaking situation.


But to most motorboaters, it is unreasonable to slow down and give other
boats a wide berth. They have a RIGHT to go blasting right past any
sailboat, close aboard, and by golly that durn sailboat better just stay
outta their way!

This is just the flipside of Donal's opinion that freighters in fog
need to keep out of the way of his sailboat, and mount a visual lookout
to ensure they comply.....

PDW

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In article . net, Bill
McKee wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
...
Jeff wrote in
:

proper to pass within 15 feet of boats doing 25 MPH shouldn't be out
there.


It's 50 ft in South Carolina...just like for a dock. 200' from the
marina.

--
Larry

I guess you never pass on a 2 lane road. Both oncoming and same direction
traffic.

What does this have to your dangerous overtaking practice? Nothing.

It's damn obvious that you don't understand the Colregs and have no
intention of accepting that you are *wrong*.

PDW

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In article . net, Bill
McKee wrote:

"Don White" wrote in message
...
Bill McKee wrote:



No, it was a 25' sailboat under power. A powerboat. They then raised
sails, while motor is still running and made a 90 degree turn in front of
me. Still a powerboat. And I guess DSK would argue that it is a
sailboat at all times.

How long are you gonna beat this dead horse? You should have raised the
sailboat on VHF...bet you could have talked him to death.

Seems as if you and yours are beating it to death. If there was time to
raise him on the VHF, we would have been a lot further apart when he turned.

Yeah, and if you hadn't instituted a dangerously close overtaking
manoeuvre, there would have been plenty of time and there wouldn't have
been a problem.

Have you got the idea yet? You were wrong.

PDW

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"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..
In article . net, Bill
McKee wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
...
Jeff wrote in
:

proper to pass within 15 feet of boats doing 25 MPH shouldn't be out
there.


It's 50 ft in South Carolina...just like for a dock. 200' from the
marina.

--
Larry

I guess you never pass on a 2 lane road. Both oncoming and same
direction
traffic.

What does this have to your dangerous overtaking practice? Nothing.

It's damn obvious that you don't understand the Colregs and have no
intention of accepting that you are *wrong*.

PDW

I was not wrong for several reasons. Number one is the other boat was also
a powerboat. Did not matter if it had sails up or not, it had its motor
running. And the road analogy is the same as ColRegs require. You have to
not make unsafe turns. If I am passing, the other boat has to continue in
the same direction. 17, a, i .