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Larry wrote:
Tamaroak wrote in news:l_ydnQ0a7oVEj9LeRVn- : They buy product from other refineries and blend it themselves; they do not refine anything. I use it in all my marine engines except outboards. Ask me in 10 years whether it was a good idea. Capt. Jeff My point precisely. "Blending" oil products, however, also takes a cracking plant. I'm thinking more like "scamming" than blending.... It's a pyramid dealer scheme like Amway, AMsoil - AMway.....coincidence?? Synthetic oil is not necessarily produced in a refinery - more like a chemical plant. Many oil companies do not refine their own oil. We've got several distributors in this county, and they supply the service stations that have different brand names, all from the same tanks. Amsoil and Amway are both MLM organizations, but that doesn't mean that the product is bad. We use Amsoil in all applications on both the boat and all the cars (we have 20 cars, but only about 4 of them are currently on the road). Bob has enough business that he can have a dealership all by himself, what with the cars and the boats. He doesn't need to recruit others - he just orders what he needs and they deliver it to our door. grandma Rosalie |
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Rosalie B. wrote: Synthetic oil is not necessarily produced in a refinery - more like a chemical plant. It would be nice if all you folks, would define for the rest of us, the difference between a "Refinery" and a "Chemical Plant". This seems to be the crux of the problem in this thread, definitions. Cripes, any fool can gripe about this or that, but lets get the definitions straight first so we all are talking from the same language..... Me |
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Me wrote:
In article , Rosalie B. wrote: Synthetic oil is not necessarily produced in a refinery - more like a chemical plant. It would be nice if all you folks, would define for the rest of us, the difference between a "Refinery" and a "Chemical Plant". This seems to be the crux of the problem in this thread, definitions. Cripes, any fool can gripe about this or that, but lets get the definitions straight first so we all are talking from the same language..... Since we are talking about oil, we are talking about an oil refinery. Basically a refinery makes something more pure (refines it). Refining can be done with other substances like sugar for instance. But here we mean an oil refinery which is a plant used to separate the various components present in crude oil and convert them into usable products. Crude oil is separated into fractions by fractional distillation. The heaver fractions, that emerge from the bottom of the fractionating column are often broken up (cracked) to make more useful products. Oil refineries can become very large and sprawling complexes with vast numbers of pipes running all throughout the facility. The refining process causes many different chemicals to be released into the atmosphere, so a (sometimes very intense) odor accompanies the presence of a refinery. A chemical plant is any plant that does anything with chemicals - extract, refine, condense, synthesize, decompose, combust, neutralize etc. The OSHA definition in the flammable liquid standard is "Chemical plant shall mean a large integrated plant or that portion of such a plant other than a refinery or distillery where flammable or combustible liquids are produced by chemical reactions or used in chemical reactions." Technically an oil refinery is a type of chemical plant (because petroleum is a chemical), but a chemical plant is not always a refinery. The OSHA definition of a refinery is: "... a plant in which flammable or combustible liquids are produced on a commercial scale from crude petroleum, natural gasoline, or other hydrocarbon sources." Since these definitions are in the flammable liquid standard (29CRF1910.106) they apply to the plants that produce flammable (or combustible) liquids, and of course petroleum products are usually either flammable or combustible. But an ordinary chemical plant wouldn't have to produce a flammable liquid and not all flammable liquids are petroleum based (for instance alcohols are not petroleum based).. Synthetic oils are produced either by a chemical reaction (synthesis), severe refining or other complex chemical processes. Oil can be produced by coal liquefaction or other processes. HTH grandma Rosalie |
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Larry wrote:
Tamaroak wrote in news:l_ydnQ0a7oVEj9LeRVn- : They buy product from other refineries and blend it themselves; they do not refine anything. I use it in all my marine engines except outboards. Ask me in 10 years whether it was a good idea. Capt. Jeff My point precisely. "Blending" oil products, however, also takes a cracking plant. I'm thinking more like "scamming" than blending.... It's a pyramid dealer scheme like Amway, AMsoil - AMway.....coincidence?? I thought Amsoil was a synthetic, not a refined petroleum product. Synthetics can be manufactured in any lab environment. Large cracking plants are not required. krj |
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Amsoil
krj wrote in
: I thought Amsoil was a synthetic, not a refined petroleum product. Synthetics can be manufactured in any lab environment. Large cracking plants are not required. krj What? You think they make it one quart at a time? I doubt it....What's in Superior at the home office is a bottling plant out behind Dolly Madison, or so the Dolly Madison people tell me. I'm just trying to figure out what they're bottling that's so expensive....Mobile 1? -- Larry |
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Larry wrote:
krj wrote in : I thought Amsoil was a synthetic, not a refined petroleum product. Synthetics can be manufactured in any lab environment. Large cracking plants are not required. krj What? You think they make it one quart at a time? I doubt it....What's in Superior at the home office is a bottling plant out behind Dolly Madison, or so the Dolly Madison people tell me. I'm just trying to figure out what they're bottling that's so expensive....Mobile 1? No, I don't think they make one quart at a time. Just said that they don't need a refinery and cracking towers. Just a chemical plant. krj |
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krj wrote:
Larry wrote: krj wrote in : I thought Amsoil was a synthetic, not a refined petroleum product. Synthetics can be manufactured in any lab environment. Large cracking plants are not required. krj What? You think they make it one quart at a time? I doubt it....What's in Superior at the home office is a bottling plant out behind Dolly Madison, or so the Dolly Madison people tell me. I'm just trying to figure out what they're bottling that's so expensive....Mobile 1? No, I don't think they make one quart at a time. Just said that they don't need a refinery and cracking towers. Just a chemical plant. krj That's because Larry believes that a synthetic oil is made from petroleum so therefore it must have a refinery. grandma Rosalie |
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Larry, you seem to be hung up on the fact that they don't make it
themselves. I don't see what the issue is, private labeling is extremely common marketing. So they by by the barrel and sell by the quart, big deal. I have a much bigger problem with the MLM aspect of it. It's the cultism of the MLM's that gives me the creeps. After reading this thread, I kept asking myself, what is 'synthetic' oil anyway. So I went to one of my favorite sites, answers.com. http://www.answers.com/synthetic%20oil http://www.answers.com/Fischer-Tropsch%20process John "Larry" wrote in message ... krj wrote in : I thought Amsoil was a synthetic, not a refined petroleum product. Synthetics can be manufactured in any lab environment. Large cracking plants are not required. krj What? You think they make it one quart at a time? I doubt it....What's in Superior at the home office is a bottling plant out behind Dolly Madison, or so the Dolly Madison people tell me. I'm just trying to figure out what they're bottling that's so expensive....Mobile 1? -- Larry |
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"johnhh" wrote in
: Larry, you seem to be hung up on the fact that they don't make it themselves. I don't see what the issue is, private labeling is extremely common marketing. So they by by the barrel and sell by the quart, big deal. I have a much bigger problem with the MLM aspect of it. It's the cultism of the MLM's that gives me the creeps. Gives me the creeps, too. When I was young, I got sucked into Amway. Scientology has nothing on Amway. Wanna see? Stand up in an Amway promo meeting and ask what a pyramid scheme is...(c; Amsoil is something "special". If it's Mobil 1, it's not. All I wanted to know was what it was and who made it. Noone seems to have an answer. I don't think they even let their "dealers" in on this secret.... Yamalube was a target a while ago of mine. Dealers hawk it at $30/gallon. It turned out to be Chevron TC-W3, rebottled. Chevron is $8/gallon. Nice markup....nothing special, though, as I suspect Amsoil isn't. During my search for Yamalube's manufacturer, I called on the USCG oil forensic lab in MD, where they tie the oil slick into the boat it came from. I asked the lab guy what Yamalube acted like in his testing. He told me the oil from different batches of the SAME manufacturer were entirely different! This would point to my premise that oil is oil and what you're buying comes from the "lowest bidder" for this lot, not the manufacturer, even the oil manufacturer, on the label. His statements reinforced my beliefs this is true. Could be anyone's oil brand in the swamp. -- Larry |
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