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Amsoil
Larry your a ****ing moron.
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Amsoil
"johnhh" wrote in
: Larry, you seem to be hung up on the fact that they don't make it themselves. I don't see what the issue is, private labeling is extremely common marketing. So they by by the barrel and sell by the quart, big deal. I have a much bigger problem with the MLM aspect of it. It's the cultism of the MLM's that gives me the creeps. Gives me the creeps, too. When I was young, I got sucked into Amway. Scientology has nothing on Amway. Wanna see? Stand up in an Amway promo meeting and ask what a pyramid scheme is...(c; Amsoil is something "special". If it's Mobil 1, it's not. All I wanted to know was what it was and who made it. Noone seems to have an answer. I don't think they even let their "dealers" in on this secret.... Yamalube was a target a while ago of mine. Dealers hawk it at $30/gallon. It turned out to be Chevron TC-W3, rebottled. Chevron is $8/gallon. Nice markup....nothing special, though, as I suspect Amsoil isn't. During my search for Yamalube's manufacturer, I called on the USCG oil forensic lab in MD, where they tie the oil slick into the boat it came from. I asked the lab guy what Yamalube acted like in his testing. He told me the oil from different batches of the SAME manufacturer were entirely different! This would point to my premise that oil is oil and what you're buying comes from the "lowest bidder" for this lot, not the manufacturer, even the oil manufacturer, on the label. His statements reinforced my beliefs this is true. Could be anyone's oil brand in the swamp. -- Larry |
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Amsoil
In article ,
Rosalie B. wrote: Synthetic oil is not necessarily produced in a refinery - more like a chemical plant. It would be nice if all you folks, would define for the rest of us, the difference between a "Refinery" and a "Chemical Plant". This seems to be the crux of the problem in this thread, definitions. Cripes, any fool can gripe about this or that, but lets get the definitions straight first so we all are talking from the same language..... Me |
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Amsoil
Me wrote:
In article , Rosalie B. wrote: Synthetic oil is not necessarily produced in a refinery - more like a chemical plant. It would be nice if all you folks, would define for the rest of us, the difference between a "Refinery" and a "Chemical Plant". This seems to be the crux of the problem in this thread, definitions. Cripes, any fool can gripe about this or that, but lets get the definitions straight first so we all are talking from the same language..... Since we are talking about oil, we are talking about an oil refinery. Basically a refinery makes something more pure (refines it). Refining can be done with other substances like sugar for instance. But here we mean an oil refinery which is a plant used to separate the various components present in crude oil and convert them into usable products. Crude oil is separated into fractions by fractional distillation. The heaver fractions, that emerge from the bottom of the fractionating column are often broken up (cracked) to make more useful products. Oil refineries can become very large and sprawling complexes with vast numbers of pipes running all throughout the facility. The refining process causes many different chemicals to be released into the atmosphere, so a (sometimes very intense) odor accompanies the presence of a refinery. A chemical plant is any plant that does anything with chemicals - extract, refine, condense, synthesize, decompose, combust, neutralize etc. The OSHA definition in the flammable liquid standard is "Chemical plant shall mean a large integrated plant or that portion of such a plant other than a refinery or distillery where flammable or combustible liquids are produced by chemical reactions or used in chemical reactions." Technically an oil refinery is a type of chemical plant (because petroleum is a chemical), but a chemical plant is not always a refinery. The OSHA definition of a refinery is: "... a plant in which flammable or combustible liquids are produced on a commercial scale from crude petroleum, natural gasoline, or other hydrocarbon sources." Since these definitions are in the flammable liquid standard (29CRF1910.106) they apply to the plants that produce flammable (or combustible) liquids, and of course petroleum products are usually either flammable or combustible. But an ordinary chemical plant wouldn't have to produce a flammable liquid and not all flammable liquids are petroleum based (for instance alcohols are not petroleum based).. Synthetic oils are produced either by a chemical reaction (synthesis), severe refining or other complex chemical processes. Oil can be produced by coal liquefaction or other processes. HTH grandma Rosalie |
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Amsoil
"Larry" wrote in message
... I sent a little email to the Superior WI chamber of commerce looking for Amsoil's refinery that seems to be just vaporware. Many manufacturers have their products custom built, or in this case blended, by one or more bigger outfits. Harley Davidson, for example sold a unique blend of petroleum based oil and special additives to prevent valve stem seizure in their earlier iron-cylinder machined (Shovel Heads, etc.). They ordered it prepackaged from one of the big refineries rather than make small quantities from crude. I believe Amsoil does the same. You could too. There is no scam involved. |
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Amsoil
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:50:06 -0400, Larry wrote:
I sent a little email to the Superior WI chamber of commerce looking for Amsoil's refinery that seems to be just vaporware. The nice lady sent me: Good Afternoon, The AMSOIL HQ (office Only)is locatd at 925 Tower Avenue. The Plant/Warehouse is located at 2206 Winter Street. For further information you can contact them directly: 2206 Winter Street is a warehouse park. Dolly Madison has a warehouse there, as does many other businesses, all in this strip warehouse facility. One lady I called that has a warehouse to rent at 2206 says "Amsoil's on the other end from us." The warehouse for rent is 22K sq ft, as are the others....no room for a refinery. A loading dock (to receive 55 gal. drums and ship cases of bottles) and a bottling line don't take up much space. I'm still looking.....(c; Now I'm curious where Amsoil makes soap powder and health product, too! Google finds nothing.... I doubt Amsoil actually makes anything. It's more likely just repackaging & relabeling & shipping just like all MLM's. MLM's are all about "successful home businesses" -- products are secondary. |
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Amsoil
I have been a dealer for Amsoil since 1974 and believe me
they make the stuff them selves. I have been at the plant. Capt. Boots "Capt. Roger Oveur" wrote in message ... On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:50:06 -0400, Larry wrote: I sent a little email to the Superior WI chamber of commerce looking for Amsoil's refinery that seems to be just vaporware. The nice lady sent me: Good Afternoon, The AMSOIL HQ (office Only)is locatd at 925 Tower Avenue. The Plant/Warehouse is located at 2206 Winter Street. For further information you can contact them directly: 2206 Winter Street is a warehouse park. Dolly Madison has a warehouse there, as does many other businesses, all in this strip warehouse facility. One lady I called that has a warehouse to rent at 2206 says "Amsoil's on the other end from us." The warehouse for rent is 22K sq ft, as are the others....no room for a refinery. A loading dock (to receive 55 gal. drums and ship cases of bottles) and a bottling line don't take up much space. I'm still looking.....(c; Now I'm curious where Amsoil makes soap powder and health product, too! Google finds nothing.... I doubt Amsoil actually makes anything. It's more likely just repackaging & relabeling & shipping just like all MLM's. MLM's are all about "successful home businesses" -- products are secondary. |
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Amsoil
"Boots" wrote in news:1130360500_845@spool6-
east.superfeed.net: I have been a dealer for Amsoil since 1974 and believe me they make the stuff them selves. I have been at the plant. Capt. Boots So? What's the plant's ADDRESS? Where is it? I see the bottling plant and know the one in Superior's location. But, alas, it's NOT an oil factory, or even a chemical factory for his other funny businesses. Let us in on the big secret..... -- Larry |
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Amsoil
Larry wrote in :
"Boots" wrote in news:1130360500_845@spool6- east.superfeed.net: I have been a dealer for Amsoil since 1974 and believe me they make the stuff them selves. I have been at the plant. Capt. Boots So? What's the plant's ADDRESS? Where is it? I see the bottling plant and know the one in Superior's location. But, alas, it's NOT an oil factory, or even a chemical factory for his other funny businesses. Let us in on the big secret..... Hello?? Cap'n Boots? Where'd ya go?...... -- Larry |