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Using 2 sails for the CDI furler
On my CDI furler, the RF jib is initially raised up the furler by means
of a halyard built into the furler. The sail must have a #6 foil rather than hanks. Would it really be any trouble to change sails? With the current set-up, this would involve a trip to the bow but so would changing a sail with a conventional system. |
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I change head sails on my Harken furler when ever a different size or cut
would best match the wind conditions. I normally carry a working jib, which is well suited to motor sailing or frequent tacks, a 120 or 150 Genoa or both (depending if I have an empty bunk to store the unused sail in). Until I discovered the advantage of a furler "PreFeeder" I always considered a furler sail change a real Pain in the A$$ and suffered with poor sail shape of a partial furled sail (at times). I even considered switching back to hanked on sails prior to the PreFeeder. Initial I thought they were over priced but now I consider mine well worth the money. (about $25-30 bucks.) Mine is the small triangular with brass rollers, on the end of a lanyard. There are others, but I have never had reason to try anything different. I just leave mine tied on the bow rail at the proper length and height for my setup. If in doubt, talk to someone else at your marina/club and ask them to show you how they deal with "PreFeeders", if any. Maybe borrow one for a test. My experience and opinion, FWIW. Steve s/v Good Intentions wrote in message oups.com... On my CDI furler, the RF jib is initially raised up the furler by means of a halyard built into the furler. The sail must have a #6 foil rather than hanks. Would it really be any trouble to change sails? With the current set-up, this would involve a trip to the bow but so would changing a sail with a conventional system. |
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Jere Lull wrote:
In article .com, wrote: On my CDI furler, the RF jib is initially raised up the furler by means of a halyard built into the furler. The sail must have a #6 foil rather than hanks. Would it really be any trouble to change sails? With the current set-up, this would involve a trip to the bow but so would changing a sail with a conventional system. A prefeeder is a good idea. It's easy to jam the sail --and enlarge the slot-- if you're in a hurry. Changing sails on a CDI isn't as easy as some, so I would do it primarily at anchor. When we're out and things blow up, I partially furl and live with the decreased performance rather than risk my hide. The beauty of a hanked jib with downhaul is that if you decide to change jibs, one pull on the downhaul and the sail in on deck, easing motion considerably. A little siezing and it will stay there, still hanked on, while the main is reefed, or a smaller jib is hanked above it onto the forestay. This is half a dozen or so hanks sticking out the front of a jib bag, not some monster flailing and flogging while you try to get it up. Snap on the tack pennant, change halyard connections and sheets, if you don't keep sheets attached to each spare sail, even pre leading them with the whole mess ready to pop out of the forehatch when you pull on the halyard from the cockpit. It's a small thing to do, really, nothing like pulling a soaking sail down the forehatch, then prefeeding it's replacement, hoping it will prefeed all in one go and where is the halyard located? Manage that while singlhanding. When winds ease, taking off a small jib and then hauling up the big lazy jib already hanked on is easy. I had a furler, and it's problems, that's why I prefer the idea mentioned above. It's do-able, cheap, and dependable. Did I mention sailing performance when the weather gets snotty? Is it safer to worry about changing or bagging along as it gets rougher and rougher, and when you need the performance, and have a huge wild bag to stow loose on deck and all over the place? Terry K |
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Terry Spragg wrote:
The beauty of a hanked jib with downhaul is that if you decide to change jibs, one pull on the downhaul and the sail in on deck, easing motion considerably. A little siezing and it will stay there, still hanked on, while the main is reefed, or a smaller jib is hanked above it onto the forestay. This is half a dozen or so hanks sticking out the front of a jib bag, not some monster flailing and flogging while you try to get it up. Snap on the tack pennant, change halyard connections and sheets, if you don't keep sheets attached to each spare sail, even pre leading them with the whole mess ready to pop out of the forehatch when you pull on the halyard from the cockpit. It's a small thing to do, really, nothing like pulling a soaking sail down the forehatch, then prefeeding it's replacement, hoping it will prefeed all in one go and where is the halyard located? Manage that while singlhanding. When winds ease, taking off a small jib and then hauling up the big lazy jib already hanked on is easy. I had a furler, and it's problems, that's why I prefer the idea mentioned above. It's do-able, cheap, and dependable. Did I mention sailing performance when the weather gets snotty? Is it safer to worry about changing or bagging along as it gets rougher and rougher, and when you need the performance, and have a huge wild bag to stow loose on deck and all over the place? I've been using hanked-on sails and a jib downhaul for years, and I think the system has merit (obviously). However singing this system's praises without mentioning the "cons" is oversimplification. First, the downhaul itself is an additional component of the running rigging, requiring shackles, blocks, cleats, fairleads, etc. (or at least _some_ of these). Next, the downhaul has to run either inside the hanks (usually not good), or alongside the headstay. In this position, and depending on the point of sail, it slaps against the luff, causing chafe and just one more unwelcome noise. Next, it is the rare set up that allows the jib to be handed with only a single pull on the downhaul. Usually there is some hang-up or friction that means going forward to make adjustments. All in all, I think it's a good rig if furlers are not chosen, but it is useful to add in both sides of the issue. -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://home.comcast.net/~kerrydeare |
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My question was really just a sneaky attempt to re-start the furling vs
non-furling headsail religious argument. I have issued a fatwa against all who disagree with me. |
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My question was really just a sneaky attempt to re-start the furling vs non-furling headsail religious argument. I have issued a fatwa against all who disagree with me. Judging from what I have bothered to read, _all_ of your questions are "sneaky attempts to re-start" discussions on subjects that have been hashed here many times and for many years. You seem to be the only person who doesn't realize this. -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://home.comcast.net/~kerrydeare |
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Terry Spragg wrote in news:V8GdnZY6dPV-
: I had a furler, and it's problems I can never remember whether to push the furler switch up or down....(c; -- Larry |
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Armond Perretta wrote:
Terry Spragg wrote: The beauty of a hanked jib with downhaul is that if you decide to change jibs, one pull on the downhaul and the sail in on deck, easing motion considerably. A little siezing and it will stay there, still hanked on, while the main is reefed, or a smaller jib is hanked above it onto the forestay. This is half a dozen or so hanks sticking out the front of a jib bag, not some monster flailing and flogging while you try to get it up. Snap on the tack pennant, change halyard connections and sheets, if you don't keep sheets attached to each spare sail, even pre leading them with the whole mess ready to pop out of the forehatch when you pull on the halyard from the cockpit. It's a small thing to do, really, nothing like pulling a soaking sail down the forehatch, then prefeeding it's replacement, hoping it will prefeed all in one go and where is the halyard located? Manage that while singlhanding. When winds ease, taking off a small jib and then hauling up the big lazy jib already hanked on is easy. I had a furler, and it's problems, that's why I prefer the idea mentioned above. It's do-able, cheap, and dependable. Did I mention sailing performance when the weather gets snotty? Is it safer to worry about changing or bagging along as it gets rougher and rougher, and when you need the performance, and have a huge wild bag to stow loose on deck and all over the place? I've been using hanked-on sails and a jib downhaul for years, and I think the system has merit (obviously). However singing this system's praises without mentioning the "cons" is oversimplification. First, the downhaul itself is an additional component of the running rigging, requiring shackles, blocks, cleats, fairleads, etc. (or at least _some_ of these). Next, the downhaul has to run either inside the hanks (usually not good), or alongside the headstay. In this position, and depending on the point of sail, it slaps against the luff, causing chafe and just one more unwelcome noise. Next, it is the rare set up that allows the jib to be handed with only a single pull on the downhaul. Usually there is some hang-up or friction that means going forward to make adjustments. All in all, I think it's a good rig if furlers are not chosen, but it is useful to add in both sides of the issue. That is all true, but a well managed downhaul and halyard is better than changing any other jib system I know of. Mine only needs to be led inside the first hank. There's a lot less to go wrong. Terry K |
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