Some meatball decided that sending 1 message to a newsgroup announcing
our website is spam. This group IS dedicated to boats correct? And
cruising correct?
One message to 3 relevant newsgroups posted manually one time does NOT
constitute spam. I have a right to responsible and rationally use this
newsgroup just as well as everyone else. I do NOT rapid fire ads to a
bunch of groups ever. I do NOT cross post. I do not send ads out on a
regular basis. I thought the groups were to announce relevant
information and links to the subscribers. I could understand if I sent
multiple postings with massive advertisment. This thing with people
witchhunting people as spammers when they are NOT has to stop. I
followed the CORRECT procedure posting relevant information to a proper
group. If he cannot prove his allegations of spam maybe he should
contain his libelous statements before someone in a legal department
somewhere gets angry and takes action. Guys I meant NO offense I only
wanted to get a LITTLE word out to people who love boats as much as we
do. Thank you.

"linuxsalute" wrote in message
oups.com...
Some meatball decided that sending 1 message to a newsgroup announcing
our website is spam. This group IS dedicated to boats correct? And
cruising correct?

I thought that your message was OK. I love boats and cruising and
anything related to that is OK with me. If it was directed to my home
address, then I would consider it to be spam.

Jim

Actually, your message was a commercial posting to a non-commercial newsgroup.
As such it is not really welcomed here by a lot of folks. A more appropriate
newsgroup is rec.boats.marketplace which is for commercial postings such as yours.

See my reply to your original post for suggestions on how to participate and
pump your business at the same time.

Also, by the replies you can see that some people do not mind you
violating the charter--but some people do.

BTW - Been on newsgroups since around 1988 or so. Back then people didn't send
unsolicited commercials to your email either. Now see where we are, and ask
yourself if you want the newsgroups to become that way.

Don W.



linuxsalute wrote:

Some meatball decided that sending 1 message to a newsgroup announcing
our website is spam. This group IS dedicated to boats correct? And
cruising correct?
One message to 3 relevant newsgroups posted manually one time does NOT
constitute spam. I have a right to responsible and rationally use this
newsgroup just as well as everyone else. I do NOT rapid fire ads to a
bunch of groups ever. I do NOT cross post. I do not send ads out on a
regular basis. I thought the groups were to announce relevant
information and links to the subscribers. I could understand if I sent
multiple postings with massive advertisment. This thing with people
witchhunting people as spammers when they are NOT has to stop. I
followed the CORRECT procedure posting relevant information to a proper
group. If he cannot prove his allegations of spam maybe he should
contain his libelous statements before someone in a legal department
somewhere gets angry and takes action. Guys I meant NO offense I only
wanted to get a LITTLE word out to people who love boats as much as we
do. Thank you.

Don W wrote in
:

Actually, your message was a commercial posting to a non-commercial
newsgroup. As such it is not really welcomed here by a lot of folks.
A more appropriate newsgroup is rec.boats.marketplace which is for
commercial postings such as yours.


If ONE POST makes him a dime...it's spam.

Of course, he knows that.....


Meatball

Dave wrote:

Unfortunately, every group seems to have at least one
self-righteous clown whose goal in life seems to be running about claiming
to be offended by any possible taint of the promotion of commerce.

Dave,

The reason is that there are probably more than ten thousand boat brokerage
and charter companies in the world. If all of them posted small ads for their
websites there would be no room for posts by cruisers.

Don't think it can't happen. Email used to be free of commercial
solicitations years ago. Now my filter catches around 60+ spam emails
per day.

I don't recall that you've been posting to this group very long, but
you surely don't want to have to start filtering your newsgroups as
well do you?

BTW - Anthony, If you are not the owner of Yachting Royal Interntional
consider that people can also call 1-800-592-0298 to complain to your
boss. If you are the owner, then consider that some people who might
have used your business will be put off by your unethical use of
non-commercial newsgroups. I realize that you are from Chicago, and that
people there are used to smash-mouth business tactics. It doesn't play
well in much of the rest of the world.

Good luck,

Don W.

linuxsalute wrote:

Some meatball decided that sending 1 message to a newsgroup announcing
our website is spam.

You've already sent two. One under the heading "Looking for a cruise?",
and one under the heading "New Yachting site". These were posted at
9:29 and 9:32 AM respectively. Your "OK this is ridiculous..." message
was posted at 1:48 PM.

One message to 3 relevant newsgroups posted manually one time does NOT
constitute spam.

Spam is in the eye of the beholder.

I have a right to responsible and rationally use this
newsgroup just as well as everyone else.

Yes, but not for commercial purposes. Check the newsgroup charter.
rec.boats.marketplace is for commercial posts.

I do NOT rapid fire ads to a
bunch of groups ever. I do NOT cross post. I do not send ads out on a
regular basis.

Thank goodness for your small favors.

This thing with people
witchhunting people as spammers when they are NOT has to stop. I
followed the CORRECT procedure posting relevant information to a proper
group.

Once again, spam is in the eye of the beholder. Larry called it spam, and
I agree.

If he cannot prove his allegations of spam maybe he should
contain his libelous statements before someone in a legal department
somewhere gets angry and takes action.

Sounds like a threat.

Guys I meant NO offense I only
wanted to get a LITTLE word out to people who love boats as much as we
do. Thank you.

The typical way to respond when you have offended people is to apologize.
Not threaten legal action. I agree with Larry.

And I also find your threatening him on a public forum offensive. And chilling.
What makes you think that people would like to do business with people like you?
Geez. Someone calls your post spam, and you threaten legal action. Get a grip.
I wonder what happens when one of your business deals gets into problems. Is this
really the public image the owners of Yachting Royale International want to project?

Do you realize what a public black eye you are giving your company? If you aren't
an owner in the company, I'd expect to be hearing from them before too long because
if I owned Yachting Royale and read your posts here I'd be livid.

Is it possible that you work for a competitor and are just trying to make them look
bad??

Don W.

Dave wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:07:35 GMT, Don W
said:


I don't recall that you've been posting to this group very long, but
you surely don't want to have to start filtering your newsgroups as
well do you?


Nor do I recall your posting to the group for long.

Do a quick Google search of rec.boats.cruising using the sig "Don W". There
are 400+ hits back to Jan 14, 2000 when Google started archiving the newsgroups.
Actually, I've been reading and posting here regularly since before then.


The same search for you reports 199 results starting Jan 2004. Okay, thats longer
than I remembered, but still only 1-1/2 years.

BTW, tell me how you can filter out commercial posts from a bunch of different senders.

My email filter kills all email from anyone not in my "sent" file, or in my address book.
I have to scan the killed messages to make sure relevant ones didn't get killed by mistake.
I use "kill file" type filters on the newsgroups. These only delete posts by specific
individuals.

How would you filter hundreds or thousands of posts from different senders?

If you had to wade through them by hand would you bother to continue reading the newsgroup?

Just wondering,

Don W.

Don W wrote:

Dave wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:07:35 GMT, Don W
said:


I don't recall that you've been posting to this group very long, but
you surely don't want to have to start filtering your newsgroups as
well do you?



Nor do I recall your posting to the group for long.


Do a quick Google search of rec.boats.cruising using the sig "Don W".
There
are 400+ hits back to Jan 14, 2000 when Google started archiving the
newsgroups.
Actually, I've been reading and posting here regularly since before then.


The same search for you reports 199 results starting Jan 2004. Okay,
thats longer
than I remembered, but still only 1-1/2 years.

BTW, tell me how you can filter out commercial posts from a bunch of
different senders.

My email filter kills all email from anyone not in my "sent" file, or in
my address book.
I have to scan the killed messages to make sure relevant ones didn't get
killed by mistake.
I use "kill file" type filters on the newsgroups. These only delete
posts by specific
individuals.

How would you filter hundreds or thousands of posts from different senders?

If you had to wade through them by hand would you bother to continue
reading the newsgroup?

Doesn't your newsgroup software give you a list of only the subject and
authors so you can scroll down through fifty or sixty messages in a
minute or two? then delete them all in five seconds if you don't want to
read them? If not, you should switch to one of the many that do, it will
make your usenet life alot better.

Stephen

Don W wrote in
:

If he cannot prove his allegations of spam maybe he should
contain his libelous statements before someone in a legal department
somewhere gets angry and takes action.


I proved my allegations. I simply copied BOTH messages and sent them to
the abuse department at google-groups and SBC, the internet provider. I
asked them to point out their user requirements under their own AUP
(Acceptable Use Policy), which forbid the propagation of spam from their
servers, not just to newsgroups.

It's up to the two providers to handle it, which is why I got two nice
replies to my abuse emails and why, I'm sure, we're having this extended
discussion...(c;

I'm actually being very nice. I know some boys at a major university who
run a little background program on frame relay bandwidth that can run a
commercial website's hit costs WAY up in a matter of hours. I didn't add
him to the list......yet.

I usually reserve that for assholes sending spam to my email accounts dumb
enough to include their webpage addresses....

If EVERYONE would report EVERY occurance, and it's not rocket science to
look at the headers of these amateurs, it would be too costly to spam any
Usenet group, or even your personal email. Users CAN fight back. I do all
the while....(c;

Don W wrote in
:

Is it possible that you work for a competitor and are just trying to
make them look bad??



Not unless he's hijacked one of their computers in their office. The IP
that sent the message to a free Google account came from an SBC
Communications IP. It's part of the trace. He even left his email address
for the usenet spambots to gather. They'll trash that for him. SBC has
the data and will find out whos IP it is....

Seeing his legal threats, I doubt anyone reading this would be stupid
enough to actually use the company's services if this is their way of doing
business. Can you imagine how they'd sue if you scratched their gelcoat?!

Meatball Larry