Peter Wiley wrote in
:

End
result is that email is crippled as a method of reaching new people
since nearly everyone automatically kills all messages from unknown
addresses. People like you can do the same thing to n/gs.


Actually you CAN do something about your email spam problems. One good
place to list, which will clear out your post office box so YOU can use it
is:
http://www.junkbusters.com/
I've been listed on junkbusters for years. It's a legit free service run
by someone who got fed up with being inundated, too. Fill out his online
forms and print out the EXACT messages each of the snailmail spammers want
to see to get you off their lists. MAIL THEM. They fold into their own
envelopes last time I did it. This also puts you automatically on every DO
NOT SPAM database on all the mass mailers' computers. Junkbusters is
connected to all of them. I got my snailmail box down to maybe 5 spams a
week! I call each of those that don't get the message to see how much time
I can suck up costing their companies as much money as possible. After
they want my credit card number, I say, "Do you get the idea now that I'm
not going to buy anything and am trying to waste your time? Why not just
take me off the lists and databases and I'll stop calling after every one
of your useless mailings." It works, too!

Of course, you know to be on all the DO NOT CALL lists, I hope. I got rid
of the constant unsolicited phone calls the day I told Bell$outh to pull
their wires off my house. Noone needs a home phone any more. It's a
Federal Offense to call my cellular phone from some boiler room. I fill
out those forms with the FTC on the 2nd phone call. Ask AT&T. They kept
calling to sell me long distance phone service on my cellular phone with
free LD to anywhere in the country. I signed up four times before they got
the message....stupid asses....(c;

Meatball Larry

Don W wrote:

Actually, your message was a commercial posting to a non-commercial newsgroup.
As such it is not really welcomed here by a lot of folks. A more appropriate
newsgroup is rec.boats.marketplace which is for commercial postings such as yours.

See my reply to your original post for suggestions on how to participate and
pump your business at the same time.

Also, by the replies you can see that some people do not mind you
violating the charter--but some people do.

I'm one that does mind

BTW - Been on newsgroups since around 1988 or so. Back then people didn't send
unsolicited commercials to your email either. Now see where we are, and ask
yourself if you want the newsgroups to become that way.

Don W.

linuxsalute wrote:

Some meatball decided that sending 1 message to a newsgroup announcing
our website is spam. This group IS dedicated to boats correct? And
cruising correct?

One message to 3 relevant newsgroups posted manually one time does NOT
constitute spam. I have a right to responsible and rationally use this
newsgroup just as well as everyone else. I do NOT rapid fire ads to a
bunch of groups ever. I do NOT cross post. I do not send ads out on a
regular basis. I thought the groups were to announce relevant
information and links to the subscribers. I could understand if I sent
multiple postings with massive advertisment. This thing with people

I saw two posts about the same thing with different headers and on
that basis decided it was spam, and blocked the address.

witchhunting people as spammers when they are NOT has to stop. I
followed the CORRECT procedure posting relevant information to a proper
group. If he cannot prove his allegations of spam maybe he should
contain his libelous statements before someone in a legal department
somewhere gets angry and takes action. Guys I meant NO offense I only
wanted to get a LITTLE word out to people who love boats as much as we
do. Thank you.

I do not find your allegation that your posts were not spam convincing
and the threat to bring in the legal department does nothing to create
warm and fuzzy feelings toward you.

grandma Rosalie

Rosalie B. wrote in
:

I do not find your allegation that your posts were not spam convincing
and the threat to bring in the legal department does nothing to create
warm and fuzzy feelings toward you.

grandma Rosalie


Grandma...Does this mean you're not going to be rentin' one of his
boats???...(c;

Meatball Larry

Dave wrote:
You need to learn to read headers before continuing to run off at the mouth.
See that "No Archive" in my headers? I'm surprised you even found 199
results. Apparently Google only partially honors the No Archive.

Been reading headers since the Inet was Arpanet--thanks for the suggestion

So, how long _have_ you been posting to this group? I read it nearly every day
and don't recall running into you before.

How would you filter hundreds or thousands of posts from different senders?

I do it regularly. As I already told you once, I use either my news reader's
filters or a news proxy, depending on the severity of the problem. With a
news proxy it's trivial to automatically reject or accept, on a newsgroup by
newsgroup basis, all articles cross-posted to more than X groups.

So I guess for you, thousands of commercial posts would not pose a problem or
even an annoyance. For some of us it does.

What was your point? Are you trying to encourage commercial use of
non-commercial usenet groups?

Maybe someday rec.boats.cruising will just be commercial messages, and people
insulting each other. Then we all will have lost a useful resource about
boating and cruising.

That's all I'm going to say about this subject.

Don W.

Larry wrote:

Rosalie B. wrote in
:

I do not find your allegation that your posts were not spam convincing
and the threat to bring in the legal department does nothing to create
warm and fuzzy feelings toward you.

grandma Rosalie


Grandma...Does this mean you're not going to be rentin' one of his
boats???...(c;

Meatball Larry

I didn't even click on the link, so I have no idea what he was
advertising. Is that what he does?


grandma Rosalie

It's like complaining about one slob tossing one beer can out of their
window. What's the big deal, right? It's only one lousy can, they all
say.

Problem comes with the rest of the slobs seeing it's OK to litter up
the place and following suit. I pick up approx a shopping bag a week
just around the foreshores outside my place. It always amazes me how
some clown can find the strength to carry a full can/bottle of whatever
to somewhere, but can't manage to carry the empty away again.

I used to use my direct email addy on Usenet way back when. Then
spammers started harvesting and it was a running war with filters. End
result is that email is crippled as a method of reaching new people
since nearly everyone automatically kills all messages from unknown
addresses. People like you can do the same thing to n/gs.

You've been told the acceptable way to promote your company.
Participate, post helpful information and leave your company URL in a
sig. Since your second post seems to be a blustering defence of the
first one I reckon you'll neither stay nor learn. That's OK, you've
just damaged your company's reputation. How many people who have
internet access don't know how to do a search for companies like yours,
FCS? If you have an internet presence, you're findable for people who
want to look.

Don't like my opinions? Sue me (that should be amusing) or killfile me.
If your next response is as clueless & hostile as this one, I'll
certainly killfile you. Life's too short to bother with crap like this.

PDW

In article .com,
linuxsalute wrote:

Some meatball decided that sending 1 message to a newsgroup announcing
our website is spam. This group IS dedicated to boats correct? And
cruising correct?
One message to 3 relevant newsgroups posted manually one time does NOT
constitute spam. I have a right to responsible and rationally use this
newsgroup just as well as everyone else. I do NOT rapid fire ads to a
bunch of groups ever. I do NOT cross post. I do not send ads out on a
regular basis. I thought the groups were to announce relevant
information and links to the subscribers. I could understand if I sent
multiple postings with massive advertisment. This thing with people
witchhunting people as spammers when they are NOT has to stop. I
followed the CORRECT procedure posting relevant information to a proper
group. If he cannot prove his allegations of spam maybe he should
contain his libelous statements before someone in a legal department
somewhere gets angry and takes action. Guys I meant NO offense I only
wanted to get a LITTLE word out to people who love boats as much as we
do. Thank you.

Dave wrote:

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:36:43 GMT, Don W
said:


What was your point? Are you trying to encourage commercial use of
non-commercial usenet groups?


My point was that one should exercise a bit of judgment about a particular
post before posting knee-jerk blather about commercial use.

Just like spam, "knee-jerk blather" is in the eye of the beholder. Your
posts strike me as such as well, but I was trying to be polite enough not
to say so.

Now can we get back to talking about boats and cruising? I'll even let you
have the last word ;-)

Don W.

Harry,
Go back to rec.boats. You have ruined one NG with your personal attacks,
now that everyone in rec.boats knows you are a non boating fool, you come
over her to try to insult Larry.

Larry is too classy to respond to your insults.




"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...
linuxsalute wrote:
Some meatball decided that sending 1 message to a newsgroup announcing
our website is spam. This group IS dedicated to boats correct? And
cruising correct?
One message to 3 relevant newsgroups posted manually one time does NOT
constitute spam. I have a right to responsible and rationally use this
newsgroup just as well as everyone else. I do NOT rapid fire ads to a
bunch of groups ever. I do NOT cross post. I do not send ads out on a
regular basis. I thought the groups were to announce relevant
information and links to the subscribers. I could understand if I sent
multiple postings with massive advertisment. This thing with people
witchhunting people as spammers when they are NOT has to stop. I
followed the CORRECT procedure posting relevant information to a proper
group. If he cannot prove his allegations of spam maybe he should
contain his libelous statements before someone in a legal department
somewhere gets angry and takes action. Guys I meant NO offense I only
wanted to get a LITTLE word out to people who love boats as much as we
do. Thank you.



Worry not; Larry is a well-known near-psychotic basket case.

--
Let's pray the United States survives the rest of Bush's term.

Dave wrote:

As the lawyers say, which time were you telling the truth. g

Maybe neither, maybe both.
As the song says: "You decide which is right... and which is an illusion" g

Don W.

In article , Larry
wrote:

Peter Wiley wrote in
:

End
result is that email is crippled as a method of reaching new people
since nearly everyone automatically kills all messages from unknown
addresses. People like you can do the same thing to n/gs.


Actually you CAN do something about your email spam problems. One good
place to list, which will clear out your post office box so YOU can use it
is:
http://www.junkbusters.com/
I've been listed on junkbusters for years. It's a legit free service run
by someone who got fed up with being inundated, too.

[snip]

My hotmail addy is legit & they scrub most of the spam. Only use I have
for hotmail, actually. Occasionally someone 'real' wants to write to me
so I don't actually run a whitelist, I just check the messages every
week or 2. If there's something interesting, I'll respond and maybe
give them my direct addy.

Works for me tho under different circumstances I'd do what you're doing.

As for phones, it's odd. I own a property in a big city. Heaps of cold
callers selling whatever. Also have a place I live most of the time
on a few acres next to a quiet bay, where I can keep a daysailer ready
to launch and a few kayaks about. That phone is listed in the book but
almost no cold calls. I've thought of pulling it out and just having a
cell phone, but not just yet. The day is coming tho, esp as work pays
for the cellphone :-)

PDW