wrote:

Your inference is amiss, I am a happy and contented person. I simply
do not suffer fools who blame others for their own behavior easily, and
I feel such are a detriment to the sailing world and ultimately to
those of us who sail in prudence and peace.

then I stand corrected

On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 23:18:56 -0400, prodigal1 wrote:

wrote:

Your inference is amiss, I am a happy and contented person. I simply
do not suffer fools who blame others for their own behavior easily, and
I feel such are a detriment to the sailing world and ultimately to
those of us who sail in prudence and peace.

then I stand corrected

Amazing.......................
And, in the meantime, the people on the yacht in Vevezuela whose misfortune to
be attacked and with no homeschoolers or other children aboard started this
thread, have supposedly not heard any more from the police.

Good discussion though.

FWIW,
Our two children (now 29 and 30) who completed their high school years on the NZ
government correspondence system seem to be doing OK. Our daughter has a good
job in IT, has just bought her second house in Sydney Aus and has just gotten
engaged - unfortunately or otherwise toan Englishman (could have been worse -
could have been from the US). The reason why we sent our 13 year old back to
school was for socialisation reasons, not academic after 1 week, the school put
him up a grade - not at our behest either. You can homeschool your kids - we
took him off correspondence as we considered it too unchallenging and rather
boring/tedious.

Also FWIW - I once saw a gathering of homeschoolers on Boston Common. I was
interested to note that many said that they homeschooled their children for
religious reasons whereas in New Zealand and Australia it is generally because
we believe we can better educate our kids.
Peter

Peter Hendra wrote in
:

Also FWIW - I once saw a gathering of homeschoolers on Boston Common.
I was interested to note that many said that they homeschooled their
children for religious reasons whereas in New Zealand and Australia it
is generally because we believe we can better educate our kids.
Peter



Not long ago the local Weather Bureaucrats had the NOAA Hurricane Hunter
aircraft come to Charleston for show and tell. A bunch of us hams went out
and stood in the pouring rain all day to help with crowd control and
communications because they bussed school kids in from all over eastern SC
and Savannah schools to take the tours. About 800 kids showed up.

In the pouring down rain, it WAS noteworthy that less than 5% of the kids
from the awful SC public schools had any raingear at all, while 90% of the
homeschooler group that came in later were all dressed out in their
slickers, boots, useless umbrellas in the 30 knot winds blowing the rain
and umbrellas all over. In a practical sense, the homeschoolers were much
better prepared....and much more interested in the meteorologist's
presentation (given over my stepvan's DJ sound system because they didn't
have one).

Homeschoolers - 90
Public Schoolers - 5

(c;

PS - The navigator and I were talking about his comm problems inside the
storm, so I got a little more detailed tour than the kids did...(c;
Yes, they DO have HF SSB on the plane and yes, I did make 4 ham contacts on
20 meters from a hurricane hunter aircraft...(c;

DE W4CSC/Aeronautical Mobile

Plane needs more antenna.....(sigh)


--
Larry

You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and you're outlined in
chalk.

Peter Hendra wrote:

Also FWIW - I once saw a gathering of homeschoolers on Boston Common. I was
interested to note that many said that they homeschooled their children for
religious reasons whereas in New Zealand and Australia it is generally because
we believe we can better educate our kids.

Some homeschool to protect their children from being dehumanbized by
the behaviorism which drives the globalist workforce training system
wrongly called "education."

wrote in
oups.com:

globalist workforce training system
wrongly called "education."


I disagree. If public education were the "globalist workforce training
system" you say, public education would actually be teaching these kids to
DO something. It's not. It teaches them to become liberal arts college
students, a dead-end way to nowhere. The "gwts" would be teaching them
plumbing, electrical repair, carpentry, how to be a cashier and handle
money. Test my theory. Ask 10 high school seniors to make change for a
$7.43 restaurant bill out of a $20 bill. GWTS students would do this very
easy...as part of the cashier apprenticeship program. High school seniors
on their way to a liberal arts education have no idea how to make change or
fix a kitchen faucet that leaks. Try that too...()c;

The liberal arts students are easy to spot at McDonald's. Just turn off
the computers and open the cash drawers to see how many can make
change....(c;

--
Larry

You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and you're outlined in
chalk.

"Larry W4CSC" wrote
I disagree. If public education were the "globalist workforce training
system" you say, public education would actually be teaching these kids to
DO something. It's not. It teaches them to become liberal arts college
students, a dead-end way to nowhere.

Bwahahahaha! You're absolutely right. As one "educator" quipped " We go to
elementary school to get into High school, then high school to get into
college, a bachlor degree to get a masters, a masters to get a doctorate and
a doctorate so we can teach - a closed circuit."

Vito wrote:

"Larry W4CSC" wrote

I disagree. If public education were the "globalist workforce training
system" you say, public education would actually be teaching these kids to
DO something. It's not. It teaches them to become liberal arts college
students, a dead-end way to nowhere.


Bwahahahaha! You're absolutely right. As one "educator" quipped " We go to
elementary school to get into High school, then high school to get into
college, a bachlor degree to get a masters, a masters to get a doctorate and
a doctorate so we can teach - a closed circuit."



You left out: "Even employers are fooled into thinking we are learning
something useful by requiring us to waste all this time and hiring us
off of test scores that show how good we were at wasting it!"

--
Stephen

-------

For any proposition there is always some sufficiently narrow
interpretation of its terms, such that it turns out true, and
some sufficiently wide interpretation such that it turns out
false...concept stretching will refute *any* statement, and will
leave no true statement whatsoever.
-- Imre Lakatos

Stephen Trapani wrote in
:

You left out: "Even employers are fooled into thinking we are learning
something useful by requiring us to waste all this time and hiring us
off of test scores that show how good we were at wasting it!"


It is why the Japanese, Chinese and Koreans are all whippin' our asses. A
kid has to WORK HARD to get into a Japanese high school. It isn't handed
him on a platter, he works for it, so he appreciates what it does for him
in their culture. We, on the other hand, treat all kids the same, to our
detriment. We are NOT all the same, neither are our children. How stupid
it is to treat them so. The really smart ones are bored to tears. The
ones in the middle who are motivated work hard. The lesser of them flunk,
over and over and noone cares. We blame them for flunking. We beat them
up. However, if our liberal arts education system were run by INTELLEGENT
people, instead of those who can't put batteries in a flashlight (it's
true, I used to teach electronics and knew many who couldn't), we would try
to recognize HOW the children are different, how their wants are in
different directions, and stop trying to shove them into the liberal arts
holes in the pegboard. A kid who is dying to fix complex automobile
engines....or (on topic) a marine diesel...has no opportunity until
released from his 12-year prison sentence to acquire his skills. Very few
schools have apprenticeship programs like the young boy taken under the
wings at Orange County Choppers on American Chopper is doing. We closed up
the vocational schools teaching children real skills because we don't want
them TOO INDEPENDENT or TOO SKILLED that our corporations can't turn them
into cheap slave labor (or labour if you like).

So, the geniuses running Asian schools in these three countries simply take
over the world, quietly, unendingly....while the Americans can't find a
skilled boat mechanic, plumber, brick layer, carpenter, electrician,
outboard motor mechanic, electronic technician, etc....the skilled labor
that keeps the world pumping....



--
Larry

You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and you're outlined in
chalk.

"Stephen Trapani" wrote
You left out: "Even employers are fooled into thinking we are learning
something useful by requiring us to waste all this time and hiring us
off of test scores that show how good we were at wasting it!"

Not necessarily. If I have an applicant with a "B" average in math thru
trig., chemestry and physics, and a foreign language (whether from a public
or private school or a *recognized* home study program) I can pretty much
depend on his/her having some knowledge of those subjects - enough
confidence that I'd bring them for interviews. OTOH, if a application shows
no math, science or languages in high school and "satisfactory" for grades
in dumbell English, study hall and gym - or worse if it says "home schooled"
with no backup credentials whatsoever I'd prolly keep looking.

Unfortunately, as Larry says, nobody has "shop" classes any more - classes
that teach kids to be apprentice carpenters, electricians or machinists. I
don't think this is as much politically motivated as it is fear of
liability. Many (most?) 14-18 year olds are too immature to trust with a
hammer let alone run machine tools or work with electricity. Remember,
Daniel Boone and Jesse Chisohm were doing their things by age 12 - how many
modern teens would you trust to carry a gun?