wrote:

I hope you are keeping them far from the WWW & TV and teaching them the
Mandarin they will soon need to survive in the coming reich.

???coming reich???
baby, you're living it and you don't even know it.
But I agree, teach them Chinese because it will make them smarter

{off topic mode on}

See, now this is what really bothers me about the current political
chasm in the world. All sides seem to be ignorant of history, and make
extreme hyperbolic statements to support their opinions.

The REAL Reich imprisoned, tortured, and murdered somewhat more than
10 MILLION people over a period of about four years. That is a documented
fact of history.

I don't particularly like where the US and the world are headed right now
either, but equating the USA with the German Reich is purely hyperbole.
Perhaps you prefer the methods of the "Islamic" extremists which include
car bombing civilians, and sawing the heads off of live prisoners??

prodigal1 wrote:

???coming reich???
baby, you're living it and you don't even know it.

{off topic mode off}

Cruising is how I hope to travel while avoiding removing my shoes for the
security line. {OTMBOn} Which, BTW, I wouldn't have to do if "muslim"
Richard Reid hadn't tried to murder an entire airplane load of civilians
with the bomb hidden in his shoes. Sheesh!! {OTMBOff}

My idea of cruising is to travel to the peaceful places in the world where
they are not getting caught up in the current troubles between the western
and islamic worlds.


Don W.

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 01:40:13 -0400, rhys wrote:

Thanks for this. Normally, I don't post salty language, but I've just
added Venezuela to my list of ****ing dumps I won't be visiting by
sail.

So far:

Indonesia
All of the Red Sea
Venezuela
Parts of Brazil
Parts of Africa
Parts of Central America (Costa Rica's still OK, and possibly Belize)
U.S.A. if the jumped-up mall cops running "Homeland Security" think I
might visit Cuba at some undefined point and decide that's reason to
steal my boat.


Hi,
Having sailed through the Red Sea and parts of Indonesia, don't write
off all of these two great places. The only part of the Red Sea route
where pirate attacks have occurred is in the Gulf of Aden. The Red Sea
itself is very safe apart from having US helicopter gunships hovering
just above one's mast top without identifying themselves and radio
warnings on VHF of the danger of being fired upon by approaching US
warships if we come within 2 miles of them or their convoys in
international waters. Oman, Sudan, Egypt, Eritrea and Aden are very
welcoming and safe, even for those US flagged yachts who traveled
through the year we did (March 2003). By the way, with the "war on
terror", why is it that these patroling warships never respond to a
call for help by yachts and ships under attack but demand that a yacht
identify itself in international waters?

Parts of Indonesia are quite safe, especially the southern part of the
island of Borneo. In other parts one must simply refuse to pay extra
"fees".

I understand that some parts of the US are not safe to visit as there
is a danger of being robbed, mugged or murdered and that some
officials are somewhat corrupt. Perhaps I am misinformed by the news
reports that I have seen and the televised scenes of several police
beating an unarmed black man on the ground. Possibly they were part of
an elaborate Chinese/North Korean plot to discredit the land of the
free and the home of that most advanced piece of democratic
legislation - the Patriot Act, and extraterritorial imprisonment of
foreign nationals. Forgive me for this but I have been wanting to have
a moan for a while now.

rhys wrote:
Thanks for this. Normally, I don't post salty language, but I've just
added Venezuela to my list of ****ing dumps I won't be visiting by
sail.

So far:

Indonesia
All of the Red Sea
Venezuela
Parts of Brazil
Parts of Africa
Parts of Central America (Costa Rica's still OK, and possibly Belize)
U.S.A. if the jumped-up mall cops running "Homeland Security" think I
might visit Cuba at some undefined point and decide that's reason to
steal my boat.

One wonders whether this miscreant may have realized that a great many
of the residents of these countries consider his own to be a ****ing
dump, too, except for it's inestimably greater & more universal
arrogance that tempts everyone to rip its vacationers off by any means
available?

People like this guy HELP CAUSE piracy.

On 22 Jun 2005 14:03:32 -0700, wrote:



One wonders whether this miscreant may have realized that a great many
of the residents of these countries consider his own to be a ****ing
dump, too, except for it's inestimably greater & more universal
arrogance that tempts everyone to rip its vacationers off by any means
available?

People like this guy HELP CAUSE piracy.

So let me get this straight: because you don't like my country (and
which country is that?) and my opinions, it's okay to steal from me
and steal my boat?

What are you, homeschooled?

R.

Vito wrote:

"Stephen Trapani" wrote

Frank wrote:

snip

After all the comentary and back slapping nobody responded to Larry's
challenge:
"In other words, name 4 very successful people you know who were home
schooled at sea by correspondence course".

I've done a lot of hiring for well-paying jobs. Employers want
credentials.
Your home-schooled kid may be better educated than the product of
PS101 but
do you have a paper that says so, or that (s)he has any education at all.
And if I'm to compare several candidates I want to see scores on
standardized tests.



I did answer him, but maybe you'll like this better:

http://www.home4schoolgear.com/famoushomeschooler.html

or this:

http://users.safeaccess.com/olsen/famous.html

or this:

http://www.homeschoolutah.org/pages/pastandpresent.htm

Even on these very incomplete lists you can see there have been plenty
of successful homeschoolers, no matter how you measure "success."

I'm an employer also. What matters most to me is past work experience
and some indication from the person that they can do what I want them to
do. Their schooling is one of the least important things I consider. And
a "standardized test" is worthless unless performance on the test
somehow relates to their prospective job duties. Anyway, most
homeschoolers would do well on such tests. Why wouldn't they?

--
Stephen

"Stephen Trapani" wrote
I did answer him, but maybe you'll like this better:

http://www.home4schoolgear.com/famoushomeschooler.html

http://users.safeaccess.com/olsen/famous.html

All old & out of date - from times when everybody was home schooled.

Even on these very incomplete lists you can see there have been plenty
of successful homeschoolers, no matter how you measure "success."

I'm an employer also. What matters most to me is past work experience
......
homeschoolers would do well on such tests. Why wouldn't they?

Homeschoolers may do well IF they take the tests in a proctored environment.
Do they?

I believe most colleges want to see High School transcripts before admitting
students to degree programs. Is this not true? If so, where do
homeschoolers get them. Will colleges believe parents?

Most job req's I see begin with "A degree in XXX from an accredited
institution plus ..." Even sub-professional jobs want a high school diploma
or GED. I guess homeschoolers can begin with a GED but the assumption tends
to be that the candidate had a problem with school.

Homeschoolers may be better educated but if I have five ap's for one job
(typical) I'll begin by interviewing the one who looks best- and, other
things being equal, that won't be the guy with a GED. If the 1st or 2nd
applicant seems good I'll hire him/her and send the rest dear john letters.
Tain't fair but .... That's why I believe you may be hurting your kids
futures by not getting them the credentials they'll need. If you can home
school AND get the credentials by all means do so.

Vito wrote:

"Stephen Trapani" wrote

I did answer him, but maybe you'll like this better:

http://www.home4schoolgear.com/famoushomeschooler.html

http://users.safeaccess.com/olsen/famous.html


All old & out of date - from times when everybody was home schooled.

Pardon my saying, but you seem to have a bias against homeschooling. Why
else would you snip out the third link I provided, which had more
modern examples? Why else would you ignore the plethora of twentieth
century ("the age of schooling") examples in the two links above?

Even on these very incomplete lists you can see there have been plenty
of successful homeschoolers, no matter how you measure "success."

I'm an employer also. What matters most to me is past work experience

.....

homeschoolers would do well on such tests. Why wouldn't they?


Homeschoolers may do well IF they take the tests in a proctored environment.
Do they?

Definitely. I have personal experience with a child who was entering
fourth grade after being homeschooled entirely previous to that. In
standard tests, for placement, he scored at or above his age group in
every category. He got straight 'A's the whole year in school. I've
heard numerous similar stories.

I believe most colleges want to see High School transcripts before admitting
students to degree programs. Is this not true? If so, where do
homeschoolers get them. Will colleges believe parents?

Many many colleges and universities accept homeschoolers aplenty. Here's
a partial list. Note Harvad, Yale and the like are on the list:

http://learninfreedom.org/colleges_4_hmsc.html


Most job req's I see begin with "A degree in XXX from an accredited
institution plus ..." Even sub-professional jobs want a high school diploma
or GED. I guess homeschoolers can begin with a GED but the assumption tends
to be that the candidate had a problem with school.

Some jobs do require college degrees. As you can see above,
homeschoolers who want such degrees shouldn't have any trouble getting
into good universities. And don't forget, for the majority of good jobs,
a college degree is superfluous.


Homeschoolers may be better educated but if I have five ap's for one job
(typical) I'll begin by interviewing the one who looks best- and, other
things being equal, that won't be the guy with a GED. If the 1st or 2nd
applicant seems good I'll hire him/her and send the rest dear john letters.
Tain't fair but .... That's why I believe you may be hurting your kids
futures by not getting them the credentials they'll need. If you can home
school AND get the credentials by all means do so.

It makes sense if you're excluding drop outs, but if you are excluding
those who are homeschooled, surely you are making a big mistake.


Stephen

Stephen Trapani wrote in
:

Pardon my saying, but you seem to have a bias against homeschooling. Why
else would you snip out the third link I provided, which had more
modern examples? Why else would you ignore the plethora of twentieth
century ("the age of schooling") examples in the two links above?


I'd be his "bias" is the bias of EVERY person sitting in the HR chair
hiring people to work for every corporation in the country. Be it true or
not, homeschooling is associated with religious fanaticism, isolationists
and those religious hermits down the street that never mow their lawn....

If the kid were Albert Einstein, homeschooled, we'd probably have had to
wait for relativity a while longer. Read about the life and troubles of
one of the real geniuses of the electric age, Nikola Tesla. Tesla never
had the credentials the HR department was looking for. He was just a
genius immigrant boy from Eastern Europe competing against academia's
golden haired boy, Thomas Edison. If it weren't for George Westinghouse
seeing that genius and capitalizing on it, your house would run on
batteries from Edison Electric (GE).... Tesla didn't attend the "right
schools" in the "right places" with the "right people"....

--
Larry

You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and you're outlined in
chalk.

"Stephen Trapani" wrote
Pardon my saying, but you seem to have a bias against homeschooling. ...

No, I do not. I have a bias against parents failing to get their kids the
*credentials* they will need to succeed in a lifestyle of their own
choosing, not necessarily that of their parents. Some parents homeschool in
order to give their kids a better education than they can find in public
schools. That's great. OTOH, some "homeschool" because they are too lazy
and/or selfish to send their kids to school. Some of these would rather go
sailing. Either way, there will come times when the kids will need to
present credentials - diplomas, degrees, grade transcripts, et cetera - in
order to get into a college and/or find a job. My point is that it is a
parent's obligation to make sure his/her children have those credentials.