I think most of us realize we are eventually going to have to find new
and better sources of energy. However thanks to our own stupidity and
the stupidity of the leaders we have elected to office we are still
years away from having new energy sources. The big problem in the next
few years is going to be IF there is enough oil available in the World
to meet current demands. If there are real shortages and the
competition becomes to fierce for the oil that is left higher prices
and the possibilty of armed conflicts increase. We need a gradual
weaning away from oil while the new sources are being brought online.

I am always looking for companies to invest in that offer new types of
energy or better ways of using what we already have. One of the
companies I have holdings in is a small startup ( and I do mean small)
company out of Houston, Texas, Sequoia Interests SQNC on the Pink
Sheets. They have a product called DiamondFlo which they are developing
that has several possible uses. One of the main benefits of it may be
its use in extracting oil from the Tar Sands typical to Alberta and
other parts of the world. Do a google for "tar sands Alberta" just to
get an idea of the potential supplies of oil in Canada. To read about
the DiamondFlo product and its latest test results go to this site:

http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/news...RE&symbol=SQNC

I wish our leaders would have been wise enough 30 years ago to
recognize that alternative clean and renewable power sources were going
to be needed but they weren't. I hope they are finally aware of the
fact that we need to be working on that problem right now. I hope we
can see them pass an energy bill that addresses some of these issues
before the summer session ends.
Dennis

"twoguns" wrote in
oups.com:

I wish our leaders would have been wise enough 30 years ago to
recognize that alternative clean and renewable power sources were going
to be needed but they weren't. I hope they are finally aware of the
fact that we need to be working on that problem right now. I hope we
can see them pass an energy bill that addresses some of these issues
before the summer session ends.
Dennis



They did but we all made "breeder reactor" mean something like "atom bomb",
so they stopped it. We should all be running on nuclear fusion by now, but
can't. There's enough power in a glass of seawater to power a 100' yacht
forever.

Besides, if you create any power source that threatens "big oil", it'll
either be bought and buried or, if that fails, regulations will be written
to make it unusable.

Alternative power is easy beyond the end of the power lines:
http://www.otherpower.com/
They only have problems on how to store the surplus.....


--
Larry

You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and your outlined in
chalk.

Dave wrote in
:

The enviros have made sure that no new refineries could be built in
this country in the last 30 years.


I'm no longer sure that is true. Why would I want to build new refineries
if I could just keep doubling the price caused by the shortages I create by
not building new refineries? My piece of GDP doubles without further
expenditure of capital. It doesn't take a Harvard economist to see that's
not a bad idea....for big oil.

750 nm west of Azores, the megayacht "Mystic" slowed from 11 knots to 8 in
12-15' seas so she wouldn't run out of diesel fuel before reaching port.
She used 10,000 gallons from Bermuda to Azores. She's refueled and on her
way to Gibraltar, tonight. Fuel was $2.25/US gallon (with the discount I
presume). Visa/Mastercard/Discover/American Express...$22,500....OUCH!

--
Larry

You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and your outlined in
chalk.

Larry W4CSC wrote:

Dave wrote in
:

The enviros have made sure that no new refineries could be built in
this country in the last 30 years.


I'm no longer sure that is true. Why would I want to build new refineries
if I could just keep doubling the price caused by the shortages I create by
not building new refineries? My piece of GDP doubles without further
expenditure of capital. It doesn't take a Harvard economist to see that's
not a bad idea....for big oil.


Indeed!

It wasn't regulation that made for 3 out of 4 refineries in Montreal
to close in the last 20 years. Why would an oil company build a new
refinery when, in fact, they close them as fast as they can. It was
intersting last year to notice that while the price at the pump
climbed 11 cents a liter, profits at the refinery went up the same 11
cents a liter!

Jean
Montreal

"twoguns" wrote
...... The big problem in the next
few years is going to be IF there is enough oil available

Nope! There is just as much oil (and air and water and ....) now as there
was 100 years ago. There are too many people using it.

I wish our leaders would have been wise enough 30 years ago to
recognize that alternative clean and renewable power sources were going
to be needed but they weren't.

I wish PEOPLE had been wise enough to realize we needed to limit population.

Why expect leaders to invent new band aids when they cannot see the root
problem and take steps to mitigate it.

Vito wrote:
"twoguns" wrote

...... The big problem in the next
few years is going to be IF there is enough oil available


Nope! There is just as much oil (and air and water and ....) now as there
was 100 years ago. There are too many people using it.


I wish our leaders would have been wise enough 30 years ago to
recognize that alternative clean and renewable power sources were going
to be needed but they weren't.


I wish PEOPLE had been wise enough to realize we needed to limit population.

Why expect leaders to invent new band aids when they cannot see the root
problem and take steps to mitigate it.


The problem is political decisions made at the behest of business
interests who don't give a damn about anything other than profit,
and tax breaks. Why they need another billion is beyond me. Any
business big enough to seriously affect the economy must be
regulated by someone with the population's best interest at heart.

Party politics is to blame. Once elected, politicians should be
required to serve their constituents, not toe the party line. Elect
independants if you want to see individuals put before corporations.

There is only one taxpayer. Party line governments kowtow to
industry to redirect routing of tax money to the benefit of those
with the most influence. The rich get richer, the poorest get
screwed the worst.

The masses will eventually get ****ed off enough to kill a few
corrupt politicians, cops, and lawyers, and their benefactor /
benefitees, then we will have equity for a while, until some one
else comes along with subtle plans to skim the cream again.

Not providing enough product to satisfy the demand is a sure fire
profit booster. Why does not Petro Canada take over the refining
industry? The oil belongs to the people, not some goon with a
license to steal.

This method is not really subtle, but the machinations they go
through to ensure they are not permitted to increase refinery
capactity satisfactorily would be, if we could detect their efforts
and reason out how they arrange convenient protests to defend their
interests, pupeteering environmentalists to prevent competition.

It is the politicians who benefit from their ability to manipulate
the spin.

Audits will show the truth, but who will take action to fix it?

On the other hand, environmentalists would have a role, if they
weren't so dippy as to think baby seals are more important than
codfish entrees for people.

If unlimited nuclear, (presuming subduction or the rocks from which
the uranium is mined could continue to contain glassified
radioactive waste materials for another billion years or so,) is the
way to go, then the end result would be plain heat generation, not
runaway greenhouse effect. If that is a problem, the answer is, of
course, efficiency. Use less. Insulate better. Accelleate slower,
decellerate regeneratively. Return to railroads for mass transport.

Alternative generation and excess power storage is not a problem, it
is just not developed. Hydrogen gas made from solar powered
electroysis can be stored just as natural gas can be. If pure
hydrogen is too difficult, combine it with a little carbon to make
methane, which liquifies more easily, and can be used for vehicles,
if you refuse H2 dirigibles. On land, huge bladders or caverns
could contain moderate reserves of H2 easily and cheaply. Further,
wild H2 fires are less hazardous than most think, since a leak in a
bladder would simply allow H2 to rise as opposed to pool. H2 will
not explode unless mixed with oxygen.

We have the technology, what we lack is firm controlled development,
which is hampered exclusively by oil company profiteers.

Nationalize them! Or, threaten to do it as a bargaining chip. Jail
the profiteersing national plunderers.

Terry K

Terry Spragg wrote:
Vito wrote:

"twoguns" wrote

...... The big problem in the next
few years is going to be IF there is enough oil available



Nope! There is just as much oil (and air and water and ....) now as there
was 100 years ago. There are too many people using it.


I wish our leaders would have been wise enough 30 years ago to
recognize that alternative clean and renewable power sources were going
to be needed but they weren't.



I wish PEOPLE had been wise enough to realize we needed to limit
population.

Why expect leaders to invent new band aids when they cannot see the root
problem and take steps to mitigate it.


The problem is political decisions made at the behest of business
interests who don't give a damn about anything other than profit, and
tax breaks. Why they need another billion is beyond me. Any business
big enough to seriously affect the economy must be regulated by someone
with the population's best interest at heart.

Party politics is to blame. Once elected, politicians should be
required to serve their constituents, not toe the party line. Elect
independants if you want to see individuals put before corporations.

There is only one taxpayer. Party line governments kowtow to industry to
redirect routing of tax money to the benefit of those with the most
influence. The rich get richer, the poorest get screwed the worst.

The masses will eventually get ****ed off enough to kill a few corrupt
politicians, cops, and lawyers, and their benefactor / benefitees, then
we will have equity for a while, until some one else comes along with
subtle plans to skim the cream again.

Not providing enough product to satisfy the demand is a sure fire profit
booster. Why does not Petro Canada take over the refining industry? The
oil belongs to the people, not some goon with a license to steal.

This method is not really subtle, but the machinations they go through
to ensure they are not permitted to increase refinery capactity
satisfactorily would be, if we could detect their efforts and reason out
how they arrange convenient protests to defend their interests,
pupeteering environmentalists to prevent competition.

It is the politicians who benefit from their ability to manipulate the
spin.

Audits will show the truth, but who will take action to fix it?

On the other hand, environmentalists would have a role, if they weren't
so dippy as to think baby seals are more important than codfish entrees
for people.

If unlimited nuclear, (presuming subduction or the rocks from which the
uranium is mined could continue to contain glassified radioactive waste
materials for another billion years or so,) is the way to go, then the
end result would be plain heat generation, not runaway greenhouse
effect. If that is a problem, the answer is, of course, efficiency. Use
less. Insulate better. Accelleate slower, decellerate regeneratively.
Return to railroads for mass transport.

Alternative generation and excess power storage is not a problem, it is
just not developed. Hydrogen gas made from solar powered electroysis
can be stored just as natural gas can be. If pure hydrogen is too
difficult, combine it with a little carbon to make methane, which
liquifies more easily, and can be used for vehicles, if you refuse H2
dirigibles. On land, huge bladders or caverns could contain moderate
reserves of H2 easily and cheaply. Further, wild H2 fires are less
hazardous than most think, since a leak in a bladder would simply allow
H2 to rise as opposed to pool. H2 will not explode unless mixed with
oxygen.

We have the technology, what we lack is firm controlled development,
which is hampered exclusively by oil company profiteers.

Nationalize them! Or, threaten to do it as a bargaining chip. Jail the
profiteersing national plunderers.

Terry K


I agree. Hang the top 20 executives and the rest will get the message.
One gov't charged us an extra 10 cents a liter to buy the old Fina oil
company and renamed it Petro Canada. Then another gov't came along and
sold our national oil company back to us. Same thing happened to our
provincial power company. Federal and provincial governments are
clearly in the pockets of large business interests.

Dave wrote in
:

True if you have a monopoly. Not true if you don't. The guy who can
produce and sell more makes more money.



They ARE a monopoly. It's called the American Petroleum Institute and
they're all members. Are you blind to the price fixing? They all raise
prices and lower prices as if all the computers were run from a central
console.

There aren't any more gas wars.....darn it. Remember 12c/gallon down the
street from the guy trying to get 18c/gallon? That'll never happen
again....

--
Larry

You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and your outlined in
chalk.

Terry Spragg wrote in
:

Nationalize them! Or, threaten to do it as a bargaining chip. Jail
the profiteersing national plunderers.

Terry K


Terry, are you in Canada? I see rogers.com in your address.

In socialist countries, like Europe, your nationalization isn't working
very well, at all. The government bureaucrats are selling Europeans gas at
$6/US gallon....hardly looking out for the masses.

No, our problem isn't creating some kind of socialist bureaucracy
controlling us all from the commune, it's price fixing and collusion
trashing competition in the free marketplace.

--
Larry

You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and your outlined in
chalk.

Dave wrote:
snip

howthehelldidyougetouttathere!?

*plonk*