Terry Spragg wrote:
Vito wrote:

"twoguns" wrote

...... The big problem in the next
few years is going to be IF there is enough oil available



Nope! There is just as much oil (and air and water and ....) now as there
was 100 years ago. There are too many people using it.


I wish our leaders would have been wise enough 30 years ago to
recognize that alternative clean and renewable power sources were going
to be needed but they weren't.



I wish PEOPLE had been wise enough to realize we needed to limit
population.

Why expect leaders to invent new band aids when they cannot see the root
problem and take steps to mitigate it.


The problem is political decisions made at the behest of business
interests who don't give a damn about anything other than profit, and
tax breaks. Why they need another billion is beyond me. Any business
big enough to seriously affect the economy must be regulated by someone
with the population's best interest at heart.

Party politics is to blame. Once elected, politicians should be
required to serve their constituents, not toe the party line. Elect
independants if you want to see individuals put before corporations.

There is only one taxpayer. Party line governments kowtow to industry to
redirect routing of tax money to the benefit of those with the most
influence. The rich get richer, the poorest get screwed the worst.

The masses will eventually get ****ed off enough to kill a few corrupt
politicians, cops, and lawyers, and their benefactor / benefitees, then
we will have equity for a while, until some one else comes along with
subtle plans to skim the cream again.

Not providing enough product to satisfy the demand is a sure fire profit
booster. Why does not Petro Canada take over the refining industry? The
oil belongs to the people, not some goon with a license to steal.

This method is not really subtle, but the machinations they go through
to ensure they are not permitted to increase refinery capactity
satisfactorily would be, if we could detect their efforts and reason out
how they arrange convenient protests to defend their interests,
pupeteering environmentalists to prevent competition.

It is the politicians who benefit from their ability to manipulate the
spin.

Audits will show the truth, but who will take action to fix it?

On the other hand, environmentalists would have a role, if they weren't
so dippy as to think baby seals are more important than codfish entrees
for people.

If unlimited nuclear, (presuming subduction or the rocks from which the
uranium is mined could continue to contain glassified radioactive waste
materials for another billion years or so,) is the way to go, then the
end result would be plain heat generation, not runaway greenhouse
effect. If that is a problem, the answer is, of course, efficiency. Use
less. Insulate better. Accelleate slower, decellerate regeneratively.
Return to railroads for mass transport.

Alternative generation and excess power storage is not a problem, it is
just not developed. Hydrogen gas made from solar powered electroysis
can be stored just as natural gas can be. If pure hydrogen is too
difficult, combine it with a little carbon to make methane, which
liquifies more easily, and can be used for vehicles, if you refuse H2
dirigibles. On land, huge bladders or caverns could contain moderate
reserves of H2 easily and cheaply. Further, wild H2 fires are less
hazardous than most think, since a leak in a bladder would simply allow
H2 to rise as opposed to pool. H2 will not explode unless mixed with
oxygen.

We have the technology, what we lack is firm controlled development,
which is hampered exclusively by oil company profiteers.

Nationalize them! Or, threaten to do it as a bargaining chip. Jail the
profiteersing national plunderers.

Terry K


I agree. Hang the top 20 executives and the rest will get the message.
One gov't charged us an extra 10 cents a liter to buy the old Fina oil
company and renamed it Petro Canada. Then another gov't came along and
sold our national oil company back to us. Same thing happened to our
provincial power company. Federal and provincial governments are
clearly in the pockets of large business interests.