Halyard advice appreciated
 

I finally unwrapped the mast for "Strider". The standing rigging is in
great shape due to the fresh water but all the running stuff is junk
after six years just hanging in the elements.

I knee jerked to trying to get another wire / rope halyard and then
started really kicking myself when everyone I called said, "Week to
ten days. It's that time of year." Then I called Hallett in Falmouth
ME who took plenty of time to talk with me and acted like the wanted
my business. That always makes me more inclined to give someone my
money.

They said to ditch the wire/rope and go with the new low stretch ropes
if the sheaves weren't too chewed up. The owner's association for our
E32 reports that the sheaves are suitable for either wire or all rope.
I got the masthead box out and, sure enough, there is just a hint of a
wire groove. The sheaves are in pretty good shape but I'm going to
chuck them in a drill and polish them up.

Hallett said that West would try to sell me a low stretch rope but it
wasn't nearly as good as what they would sell me at about $300 for a
38 foot (deck stepped) mast. If I order it Monday, I can get the boat
rigged in time for the weekend.

I'd appreciate any halyard opinions or experience while I mull this
over the weekend. It's a pretty standard masthead rig with roller
furling. We won't be racing, just easy cruising.

--

Roger Long

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
I finally unwrapped the mast for "Strider". The standing rigging is in
great shape due to the fresh water but all the running stuff is junk after
six years just hanging in the elements.

I knee jerked to trying to get another wire / rope halyard and then
started really kicking myself when everyone I called said, "Week to ten
days. It's that time of year." Then I called Hallett in Falmouth ME who
took plenty of time to talk with me and acted like the wanted my business.
That always makes me more inclined to give someone my money.

They said to ditch the wire/rope and go with the new low stretch ropes if
the sheaves weren't too chewed up. The owner's association for our E32
reports that the sheaves are suitable for either wire or all rope. I got
the masthead box out and, sure enough, there is just a hint of a wire
groove. The sheaves are in pretty good shape but I'm going to chuck them
in a drill and polish them up.

Hallett said that West would try to sell me a low stretch rope but it
wasn't nearly as good as what they would sell me at about $300 for a 38
foot (deck stepped) mast. If I order it Monday, I can get the boat rigged
in time for the weekend.

I'd appreciate any halyard opinions or experience while I mull this over
the weekend. It's a pretty standard masthead rig with roller furling. We
won't be racing, just easy cruising.

--

Roger Long


Forget the wire/rope combo. The new non-stretch stuff is far superior. Go
for the good stuff. It's worth the extra cost (disclaimer... knowing nothing
about the supposed differences they're speaking of). I made the choice to go
to spectra and it was worth it. I had to change the sheaves, however. You
should double check this, as it's critical to maintaining normal wear on the
halyards.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Roger Long wrote:
I finally unwrapped the mast for "Strider". The standing rigging is in
great shape due to the fresh water but all the running stuff is junk
after six years just hanging in the elements.

I knee jerked to trying to get another wire / rope halyard and then
started really kicking myself when everyone I called said, "Week to
ten days. It's that time of year." Then I called Hallett in Falmouth
ME who took plenty of time to talk with me and acted like the wanted
my business. That always makes me more inclined to give someone my
money.

They said to ditch the wire/rope and go with the new low stretch ropes
if the sheaves weren't too chewed up. The owner's association for our
E32 reports that the sheaves are suitable for either wire or all rope.
I got the masthead box out and, sure enough, there is just a hint of a
wire groove. The sheaves are in pretty good shape but I'm going to
chuck them in a drill and polish them up.

Hallett said that West would try to sell me a low stretch rope but it
wasn't nearly as good as what they would sell me at about $300 for a
38 foot (deck stepped) mast. If I order it Monday, I can get the boat
rigged in time for the weekend.

I'd appreciate any halyard opinions or experience while I mull this
over the weekend. It's a pretty standard masthead rig with roller
furling. We won't be racing, just easy cruising.

Don't waste money on the high tech low stretch stuff. Obviously, you
don't want nylon, but StaSet X is good enough for cruising. Actually
regular StaSet is good enough, but you might as well spend the extra
$10 so you'll only have one inch of stretch instead of two. Within 5
minutes you'll be convinced that wire halyards are history.

In "JG" writes:

"Roger Long" wrote in message
.. .
I finally unwrapped the mast for "Strider". The standing rigging is in
great shape due to the fresh water but all the running stuff is junk after
six years just hanging in the elements.

I knee jerked to trying to get another wire / rope halyard and then
started really kicking myself when everyone I called said, "Week to ten
days. It's that time of year." Then I called Hallett in Falmouth ME who
took plenty of time to talk with me and acted like the wanted my business.
That always makes me more inclined to give someone my money.

They said to ditch the wire/rope and go with the new low stretch ropes if
the sheaves weren't too chewed up. The owner's association for our E32
reports that the sheaves are suitable for either wire or all rope. I got
the masthead box out and, sure enough, there is just a hint of a wire
groove. The sheaves are in pretty good shape but I'm going to chuck them
in a drill and polish them up.

Hallett said that West would try to sell me a low stretch rope but it
wasn't nearly as good as what they would sell me at about $300 for a 38
foot (deck stepped) mast. If I order it Monday, I can get the boat rigged
in time for the weekend.

I'd appreciate any halyard opinions or experience while I mull this over
the weekend. It's a pretty standard masthead rig with roller furling. We
won't be racing, just easy cruising.

--

Roger Long


Forget the wire/rope combo. The new non-stretch stuff is far superior. Go
for the good stuff. It's worth the extra cost (disclaimer... knowing nothing
about the supposed differences they're speaking of). I made the choice to go
to spectra and it was worth it. I had to change the sheaves, however. You
should double check this, as it's critical to maintaining normal wear on the
halyards.

If you decide to go with the all rope (I think it is a good decission) I
would suggest that you buy some 3 to 5 feet extra. Then you can cut a
piece of the end (two or three times) so that you move the position
where the hallyard is worn most by the sheaves and the clutches. Then
you can use them for more years.

- Lauri Tarkkonen

On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 18:31:46 -0700, "JG" wrote:

"Roger Long" wrote in message
.. .
I finally unwrapped the mast for "Strider". The standing rigging is in
great shape due to the fresh water but all the running stuff is junk after
six years just hanging in the elements.

I knee jerked to trying to get another wire / rope halyard and then
started really kicking myself when everyone I called said, "Week to ten
days. It's that time of year." Then I called Hallett in Falmouth ME who
took plenty of time to talk with me and acted like the wanted my business.
That always makes me more inclined to give someone my money.

They said to ditch the wire/rope and go with the new low stretch ropes if
the sheaves weren't too chewed up. The owner's association for our E32
reports that the sheaves are suitable for either wire or all rope. I got
the masthead box out and, sure enough, there is just a hint of a wire
groove. The sheaves are in pretty good shape but I'm going to chuck them
in a drill and polish them up.

Hallett said that West would try to sell me a low stretch rope but it
wasn't nearly as good as what they would sell me at about $300 for a 38
foot (deck stepped) mast. If I order it Monday, I can get the boat rigged
in time for the weekend.

I'd appreciate any halyard opinions or experience while I mull this over
the weekend. It's a pretty standard masthead rig with roller furling. We
won't be racing, just easy cruising.

--

Roger Long


Forget the wire/rope combo. The new non-stretch stuff is far superior. Go
for the good stuff. It's worth the extra cost (disclaimer... knowing nothing
about the supposed differences they're speaking of). I made the choice to go
to spectra and it was worth it. I had to change the sheaves, however. You
should double check this, as it's critical to maintaining normal wear on the
halyards.

Where did you get the new sheaves? I'm not yet sure if I'll need new ones, (changing
from wire/rope to all rope), but if I do, I'd like to have a ready source.
Thanks,
Norm B

$300, holy sh**, are these gold or something? Low stretch dacron is
all you need.

"Lauri Tarkkonen" wrote in message
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In "JG"
writes:

"Roger Long" wrote in message
. ..
I finally unwrapped the mast for "Strider". The standing rigging is in
great shape due to the fresh water but all the running stuff is junk
after
six years just hanging in the elements.

I knee jerked to trying to get another wire / rope halyard and then
started really kicking myself when everyone I called said, "Week to ten
days. It's that time of year." Then I called Hallett in Falmouth ME who
took plenty of time to talk with me and acted like the wanted my
business.
That always makes me more inclined to give someone my money.

They said to ditch the wire/rope and go with the new low stretch ropes
if
the sheaves weren't too chewed up. The owner's association for our E32
reports that the sheaves are suitable for either wire or all rope. I got
the masthead box out and, sure enough, there is just a hint of a wire
groove. The sheaves are in pretty good shape but I'm going to chuck them
in a drill and polish them up.

Hallett said that West would try to sell me a low stretch rope but it
wasn't nearly as good as what they would sell me at about $300 for a 38
foot (deck stepped) mast. If I order it Monday, I can get the boat
rigged
in time for the weekend.

I'd appreciate any halyard opinions or experience while I mull this over
the weekend. It's a pretty standard masthead rig with roller furling. We
won't be racing, just easy cruising.

--

Roger Long


Forget the wire/rope combo. The new non-stretch stuff is far superior. Go
for the good stuff. It's worth the extra cost (disclaimer... knowing
nothing
about the supposed differences they're speaking of). I made the choice to
go
to spectra and it was worth it. I had to change the sheaves, however. You
should double check this, as it's critical to maintaining normal wear on
the
halyards.

If you decide to go with the all rope (I think it is a good decission) I
would suggest that you buy some 3 to 5 feet extra. Then you can cut a
piece of the end (two or three times) so that you move the position
where the hallyard is worn most by the sheaves and the clutches. Then
you can use them for more years.

- Lauri Tarkkonen


Excellent thought. I did that also, but sold the boat before it got to that.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"engsol" wrote in message
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On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 18:31:46 -0700, "JG" wrote:

"Roger Long" wrote in message
. ..
I finally unwrapped the mast for "Strider". The standing rigging is in
great shape due to the fresh water but all the running stuff is junk
after
six years just hanging in the elements.

I knee jerked to trying to get another wire / rope halyard and then
started really kicking myself when everyone I called said, "Week to ten
days. It's that time of year." Then I called Hallett in Falmouth ME who
took plenty of time to talk with me and acted like the wanted my
business.
That always makes me more inclined to give someone my money.

They said to ditch the wire/rope and go with the new low stretch ropes
if
the sheaves weren't too chewed up. The owner's association for our E32
reports that the sheaves are suitable for either wire or all rope. I got
the masthead box out and, sure enough, there is just a hint of a wire
groove. The sheaves are in pretty good shape but I'm going to chuck them
in a drill and polish them up.

Hallett said that West would try to sell me a low stretch rope but it
wasn't nearly as good as what they would sell me at about $300 for a 38
foot (deck stepped) mast. If I order it Monday, I can get the boat
rigged
in time for the weekend.

I'd appreciate any halyard opinions or experience while I mull this over
the weekend. It's a pretty standard masthead rig with roller furling. We
won't be racing, just easy cruising.

--

Roger Long


Forget the wire/rope combo. The new non-stretch stuff is far superior. Go
for the good stuff. It's worth the extra cost (disclaimer... knowing
nothing
about the supposed differences they're speaking of). I made the choice to
go
to spectra and it was worth it. I had to change the sheaves, however. You
should double check this, as it's critical to maintaining normal wear on
the
halyards.

Where did you get the new sheaves? I'm not yet sure if I'll need new ones,
(changing
from wire/rope to all rope), but if I do, I'd like to have a ready source.
Thanks,
Norm B

Norm,

I got mine from a guy who specialized in my particular boat. I don't know
where he got them. I believe WM has them, but not sure of sizes, etc. The
guy I got them from had the older type.. forget the name of material, but he
said they were better than the newer ones.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Do you think these sheaves will work?

http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Sheaves.jpg

I made an arbor, chucked them in an electric drill, and went at them
with progressively finer grits of sandpaper. The pits feel much less
alarming than they look and you can't even feel them with a finger.
The sheaves are so smooth, I think they would work even if
non-turning. I also radiuses and smoothed all the contact edges on
the box.

I moved the sheave that had no wire marks (never used for anything on
this boat) to the main halyard position since that is the one that
will see the most rope movement.

--

Roger Long

Roger Long wrote:
....
Hallett said that West would try to sell me a low stretch rope but it
wasn't nearly as good as what they would sell me at about $300 for a
38 foot (deck stepped) mast. If I order it Monday, I can get the boat
rigged in time for the weekend.

....

A few more thoughts - a reason for the high tech stuff is to reduce
size and weight. For cruising however, you want the thickest, easiest
to handle line that will fit the sheave, winch and other fittings.

And for some reason, people like to splice on the halyard shackle and
then wonder why it resists going up the last few inches. Much better
to use a stunsail tackbend, which is very secure, only takes an inch
so it won't jam in the sheave, and can be removed when its time to
"end for end" the rope.

http://www.wellesley.edu/Athletics/P...mainsheet.html