There are only three types of sailors in the world, those who have been
aground, those who dont sail very often and those who lie

Don White wrote:
"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
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I certainly would not refer to idiots who would run aground like
those jerks did, 'sailors'. Sails were furled said the article.

They were motoring - just another motorboat - take it to
rec.boats please.

CN


Oh boy! this *was* a nice peaceful newsgroup......... a respite from the
rabble at wrecked boats.


Complain to the the person who originally cross-posted.

Jim wrote:


The people who built those little ships really did an amazing job. Took
quite a pounding. Every morning I expected the worst.

And Jim Gladson deserved a lot of credit for his management style, from
what I saw.

I guess we all can learn from this to have a plan for such an emergency.

I still wonder why those anchors were still in their chocks.

How much do they weigh? What is the weight of the chain?
What would be the requirements for the equipment to haul the anchors and
chain to an area that could do any good? What equipment was available to
do so? What amount of pull could the Irving Johnson apply to that gear,
once it was set?

otn

You are probably right, that group makes few mistakes.

The anchors are huge, but their dinghy is a good one, with a substantial
outboard. The dinghy was still in the davits until the last day on the
beach.

What do you do?


otnmbrd wrote:
Jim wrote:



The people who built those little ships really did an amazing job.
Took quite a pounding. Every morning I expected the worst.

And Jim Gladson deserved a lot of credit for his management style,
from what I saw.

I guess we all can learn from this to have a plan for such an emergency.

I still wonder why those anchors were still in their chocks.


How much do they weigh? What is the weight of the chain?
What would be the requirements for the equipment to haul the anchors and
chain to an area that could do any good? What equipment was available to
do so? What amount of pull could the Irving Johnson apply to that gear,
once it was set?

otn

In article .com,
says...


There are only three types of sailors in the world, those who have been
aground, those who dont sail very often and those who lie

I would reduce that to two: those who have been aground and those who
lie.

In article . net,
says...


You are probably right, that group makes few mistakes.

The anchors are huge, but their dinghy is a good one, with a substantial
outboard. The dinghy was still in the davits until the last day on the
beach.

What do you do?

I would defer to the people on the scene. It is well to remember, as Irving
Johnson himself points out in "Rounding Cape Horn," that seas are generally
much bigger and more boisterous than they appear to be in photographs or
movies.

Jim wrote:
You are probably right, that group makes few mistakes.

The anchors are huge, but their dinghy is a good one, with a substantial
outboard. The dinghy was still in the davits until the last day on the
beach.

What do you do?

The problem with running out the anchors in this particular case,
immediately after the grounding, was SAFELY getting to them and working
them with a small boat in the given sea conditions and considering all
else that is going on regarding passenger and crew safety with the close
proximity of the breakwater.
There will be much "Monday Morning Quaterbacking" about this. In time
some viable options may/will arise, but the most important
considerations are that passengers, crew and vessel are all saved.

otn

Three... those who will be aground.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Gogarty" wrote in message
...
In article .com,
says...


There are only three types of sailors in the world, those who have been
aground, those who dont sail very often and those who lie

I would reduce that to two: those who have been aground and those who
lie.

In article . net,
otnmbrd wrote:

The problem with running out the anchors in this particular case,
immediately after the grounding, was SAFELY getting to them and working
them with a small boat in the given sea conditions and considering all
else that is going on regarding passenger and crew safety with the close
proximity of the breakwater.
There will be much "Monday Morning Quaterbacking" about this. In time
some viable options may/will arise, but the most important
considerations are that passengers, crew and vessel are all saved.

otn

I think that it will be very interesting to see what the Marine Safety
Officer will conclude from the investigation of this grounding. I
suspect that the Master is going to have to hire a pile of GOOD Sea
Lawyers, just to keep his license from being suspended, or revoked.
Looks to me like a case of very Poor Seamanship, and navigation.
For a Small Passenger Ship to get itself in such a situation, shows
how much there is a need for better testing for a Masters License.


Me

"Gogarty" wrote in message


In article .com,
says...


There are only three types of sailors in the world, those who have been
aground, those who dont sail very often and those who lie

I would reduce that to two: those who have been aground and those who
lie.

Agreed. The ones who sail infrequently typically are the ones who run
aground.

Max