http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/news/032...p_aground.html

It's a rough coast.

Best advertisement I ever saw was for Oxnard. It was for some resort. It
said, "Oxnard. Not just another pretty name."

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Alan Gomes" wrote in message
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It still is......for now...
I was talking to a guy who spent all last week on the yacht, as the
cook.
He told me that the vessel drew 11' and the keel was 73'.....
That would leave little room for error in what I know to be a heavily
shoaled entrance. I was just there last week delivering a motoryacht.
My guess is that as they approached from the south, they did not stand
off the coast until the last and then run straight in towards the
detached breakwater(and beach), turning sharply to port inside the lee
as they rode or followed a wave in. They probably saved time with a
direct route that kept the seas on the port beam as they aproached and
found themselves with breaking surf on them at the entrance! Maybe not
broaching them, yet certainly carrying them precious valuable and non
affordable feet to leeward, and onto the shoal.

Captain Mack
www.gosailnow.com

wrote:

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My guess is that as they approached from the south, they did not stand
off the coast until the last and then run straight in towards the
detached breakwater(and beach), turning sharply to port inside the lee
as they rode or followed a wave in. They probably saved time with a
direct route that kept the seas on the port beam as they aproached and
found themselves with breaking surf on them at the entrance! Maybe not
broaching them, yet certainly carrying them precious valuable and non
affordable feet to leeward, and onto the shoal.


One of the first things I had beat into my head was to NEVER try to cut
the corner of a harbor entrance, especially a new one you have never
been in before.

Stay out and come straight in.

BTW, that strategy is especially useful on Lake Huron, especially on the
lee shore (Canadian side).

From memory, Pt Clarke comes out from shore for over 1/2 mile, and it
definitely not sand.

It has just been announced that the attempt to pull back into deeper
water at high tide tonight had to be abandoned. Water is just too rough.

Next attempt scheduled for 0800 PST, tomorrow morning.

Divers report there are no unwanted holes in the hull; however, engine
compartment is flooded and will be pumped prior to attempt, according to
local news reports.

Lew

that was a pretty boat too


"Alan Gomes" wrote in message
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That's really a shame. Beautiful vessel. Irving Johnson must be spinning
in his grave.

DSK

Alan Gomes wrote:

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/news/032...p_aground.html

That's really a shame. Beautiful vessel. Irving Johnson must be spinning
in his grave.

DSK



I agree.

Irving Johnson was a great sailor and this vessel was intended to carry on
his legacy and tradition.

Ole Capt. Irving would never of gotten the ship into this situation.

From what I read, the ship was only a couple years old and it appears the
weather was fairly clear and calm. I would expect that an investigation
would reveal that the current set the ship south of the main channel jetty.

I have never enter the Oxnard channel but I've seen similar situations
around the entrances to other So. California boat harbors.

In looking at the pictures, I was disappointed to see very small size of the
boat trying to tow the "ship" out into open water. (so much for Vessel
Assist). I wonder if they insisted on the "Capt" signing a tow agreement
before they put a line onboard.

Well, hopefully she will be towed free before any major damage is done and
can sail again (with a new Capt.).

Just my opinion and comments, FWIW.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

The visibility was good but there were high surf advisories at the time.
Ventura and Oxnard harbors were more open to the effects of this than some
of the other harbors down the coast (such as San Pedro/Long Beach, where I'm
located).

I was up there in January. I don't think the harbor is especially tricky to
navigate, though in high surf conditions from the west it could be
difficult. From what I could piece together from the new reports, it appears
to have been a navigation error (i.e., the skipper thought the water was
deeper than it was) rather than losing control in adverse conditions.

--Alan Gomes

"Steve" wrote in message
...

That's really a shame. Beautiful vessel. Irving Johnson must be spinning
in his grave.

DSK



I agree.

Irving Johnson was a great sailor and this vessel was intended to carry on
his legacy and tradition.

Ole Capt. Irving would never of gotten the ship into this situation.

From what I read, the ship was only a couple years old and it appears the
weather was fairly clear and calm. I would expect that an investigation
would reveal that the current set the ship south of the main channel
jetty.

I have never enter the Oxnard channel but I've seen similar situations
around the entrances to other So. California boat harbors.

In looking at the pictures, I was disappointed to see very small size of
the boat trying to tow the "ship" out into open water. (so much for Vessel
Assist). I wonder if they insisted on the "Capt" signing a tow agreement
before they put a line onboard.

Well, hopefully she will be towed free before any major damage is done and
can sail again (with a new Capt.).

Just my opinion and comments, FWIW.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

Winds were @20k from the West with a decent size swell.
Don't know if it was a nav error, misjudged turn, current and swell
problem, or combination of "all of the above".
When last I saw her, she was finally broadside to the beach, away from
the jetty and rolling about 45deg either way.
The winds finally died out about midnight, but considering her
construction (heavy), if they don't rig her correctly and have a good
deal of luck, pulling her off is not going to be an easy task.
Biggest problem now will be getting aboard to rig her.

otn

otnmbrd wrote:
Winds were @20k from the West with a decent size swell.
Don't know if it was a nav error, misjudged turn, current and swell
problem, or combination of "all of the above".
When last I saw her, she was finally broadside to the beach, away from
the jetty and rolling about 45deg either way.
The winds finally died out about midnight, but considering her
construction (heavy), if they don't rig her correctly and have a good
deal of luck, pulling her off is not going to be an easy task.
Biggest problem now will be getting aboard to rig her.

otn


Hmmm... local info seems to indicate a hidden sandbar was the trouble.
The captain called for depth info and harbor control said it was tested
Sunday and all was good. But since that test a 10 foot sandbar appeared
which caught the boat bottom and started the eventual distress. I guess
there isn't a lot of extra clearance in the approach to that small harbor.

B