"I Carry" wrote in message
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About 5 years ago, just before Christmas, my son was car jacked coming
home
from an evening with his friends. He was on the way home, pulled over to
buy some gas and continued on his way. When he stopped at a stop sign, the
car jacker jumped in the passenger door with a gun in his hand. He ordered
my son to drive giving him directions. During the "ride" the car jacker
was
leaning out of the passenger window wildly pointing the gun at passing
cars
and people on the street.

After getting to the car jacker's destination, he told my son to stop.
Then
he demanded my son take off his new and expensive leather coat. My son is
a
weight lifter and extremely strong. At that point, my son did something
quite stupid. Rather than taking off his jacket, he reached over to the
car
jacker and grabbed him intending to beat the hell out of him. During the
struggle, the car jacker managed to get off a shot. The bullet went
through
my son's neck and lodged in the opposite shoulder where it still is today.
The bullet just grazed his neckbone and missed the major arteries and
esophagous. A fraction of an inch either way and he would have been dead.

The car jacker then jumped out of the car and got into another car and
drove away. Witnesses heard the struggle and got the other cars
description. My son stepped on the gas to drive away. He made it about a
block or so when he started to lose conciousness and crashed into a tree.
He was able to get out of the car and went to the nearest house to call
for
help. He knocked at the door, told the homeowner he had been shot and
needed help. The homeowner told him to get out or he would shoot him
again.
He went to a second house calling for help. At the second house he lost
conciousness on the porch and that was where the ambulance picked him up.

I'll not bother with the rest of the story including the total
incompetance
of the police department (that is a story in it's own). Trust me when I
tell you that police departments don't give a damn and can be prejudiced
when the detective is the same race as the car jacker. This includes lying
by the detective on his final report. Think a little bit about how my wife
and I reacted when we got the call from the hospital. Think about the
agony
a parent suffers when there is the real possibility that your child might
not make it.

The moral of the story is this, had my son been carrying, he could have
pulled his weapon while the car jacker was leaning out the window wildly
waving the gun around. The car jacker would have been the one at the
receiving end.

Does my son carry today, do I carry today? You can bet your life on it.

I hope you have also learned to lock your doors when driving.

JR Gilbreath wrote:
Well duh! Of course I thought Detroit, Chicago and Philadelphia were
southen cities.

I don't know how you define "Southern." Detroit and Chicago are at the
same latitude as Boston. Detroit even borders Canada.

Get a life.

Get an education.

Also, if you get murdered you are just as
dead in a city of 500,000+ as you are in one with 1,000 people.

So? I was only pointing out that your stat was only for large cities,
and there are many small cities in the South that have the same high
murder rate. Perhaps if you learned the basics of grammar and
punctuation, we wouldn't have this problem.

Your
knowledge of the population of cities is truly unbelievable are you
looking at 1810 census?

All of the cities I mentioned have populations under 500,000, according
to the 2003 FBI crime statistics. Perhaps you can tell us what mistake
you think I made.






Jeff Morris wrote:

Its not clear what your point is here. Are you saying these are or
are not southern states?

From my Boston perspective, most of these cities are southern.
However, if you're claiming they are not, you should consider that
this is from a list of cities over 500,000, which excludes all cities
in Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, South Carolina, Mississippi, and
Louisiana.

Birmingham, Little Rock, Atlanta, Jackson, and Miami have higher
murder rates than Philadelphia.

New Orleans would lead the list, having a murder rate 20% worse than
Washington.


JR Gilbreath wrote:

In 2002 the Leading cities for murders were; Washington DC, Detroit,
Baltimore, Memphis, Chicago and Philadelphia all southern cities?

That's a good book only if you've already made up your mind. However,
there are far too many inaccuracies and bad science in to be consider
credible.



Doug Dotson wrote:
Suggest you get a copy of "More Guns Less Crime" by John Lott. It puts alot
of
the stats into perspective in a way that is understandable.

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
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Greg wrote:

I Carry wrote:
....


The moral of the story is this, had my son been carrying, he could have
pulled his weapon while the car jacker was leaning out the window wildly
waving the gun around. The car jacker would have been the one at the
receiving end.

Or, your son would be dead.

I have a similar story: A very close friend was hitchhiking and got
picked up by some kids who had just been rejected from the Hell's
Angels. As he got out they shot him in the back of the head, just to
prove how tough they were. The gun, of course, was the kid's father's,
and was kept in the house for "protection."


Does my son carry today, do I carry today? You can bet your life on it.

Let me guess: you live in Georgia.

In article ,
"Dag Stenberg" wrote:

Bruce in Alaska wrote:
I NEVER travel without a firearm, period. ...

Stay away from Sweden then.

Dag Stenberg

I have never want to go to Sweden, and certainly wouldn't violate any
local laws just to visit some place that I have never want to go.

Bruce in alaska
--
add a 2 before @

Sarcasm sure goes over your head. I suppose it because of where you
keep you head.


Jeff Morris wrote:

JR Gilbreath wrote:

Well duh! Of course I thought Detroit, Chicago and Philadelphia were
southen cities.


I don't know how you define "Southern." Detroit and Chicago are at the
same latitude as Boston. Detroit even borders Canada.

Get a life.


Get an education.

Also, if you get murdered you are just as dead in a city of 500,000+
as you are in one with 1,000 people.


So? I was only pointing out that your stat was only for large cities,
and there are many small cities in the South that have the same high
murder rate. Perhaps if you learned the basics of grammar and
punctuation, we wouldn't have this problem.

Your
knowledge of the population of cities is truly unbelievable are you
looking at 1810 census?


All of the cities I mentioned have populations under 500,000, according
to the 2003 FBI crime statistics. Perhaps you can tell us what mistake
you think I made.






Jeff Morris wrote:

Its not clear what your point is here. Are you saying these are or
are not southern states?

From my Boston perspective, most of these cities are southern.
However, if you're claiming they are not, you should consider that
this is from a list of cities over 500,000, which excludes all cities
in Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, South Carolina, Mississippi, and
Louisiana.

Birmingham, Little Rock, Atlanta, Jackson, and Miami have higher
murder rates than Philadelphia.

New Orleans would lead the list, having a murder rate 20% worse than
Washington.


JR Gilbreath wrote:

In 2002 the Leading cities for murders were; Washington DC, Detroit,
Baltimore, Memphis, Chicago and Philadelphia all southern cities?

On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 13:24:22 -0500, Jeff Morris
wrote:

That's a good book only if you've already made up your mind. However,
there are far too many inaccuracies and bad science in to be consider
credible.
In other words, it disagrees with your preconceived notions.
Weebles Wobble
(but they don't fall down)

On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 13:33:30 -0500, Jeff Morris
wrote:

I Carry wrote:
...


The moral of the story is this, had my son been carrying, he could have
pulled his weapon while the car jacker was leaning out the window wildly
waving the gun around. The car jacker would have been the one at the
receiving end.

Or, your son would be dead.

I have a similar story: A very close friend was hitchhiking and got
picked up by some kids who had just been rejected from the Hell's
Angels. As he got out they shot him in the back of the head, just to
prove how tough they were. The gun, of course, was the kid's father's,
and was kept in the house for "protection."


Does my son carry today, do I carry today? You can bet your life on it.

Let me guess: you live in Georgia.

and I take it the yankee man has a problem with southerners?
Weebles Wobble
(but they don't fall down)

So you were just imitating an illiterate idiot. Sure, that's what you
claim now.



JR Gilbreath wrote:
Sarcasm sure goes over your head. I suppose it because of where you
keep you head.


Jeff Morris wrote:

JR Gilbreath wrote:

Well duh! Of course I thought Detroit, Chicago and Philadelphia were
southen cities.



I don't know how you define "Southern." Detroit and Chicago are at
the same latitude as Boston. Detroit even borders Canada.

Get a life.



Get an education.

Also, if you get murdered you are just as dead in a city of 500,000+
as you are in one with 1,000 people.



So? I was only pointing out that your stat was only for large cities,
and there are many small cities in the South that have the same high
murder rate. Perhaps if you learned the basics of grammar and
punctuation, we wouldn't have this problem.

Your
knowledge of the population of cities is truly unbelievable are you
looking at 1810 census?



All of the cities I mentioned have populations under 500,000,
according to the 2003 FBI crime statistics. Perhaps you can tell us
what mistake you think I made.






Jeff Morris wrote:

Its not clear what your point is here. Are you saying these are or
are not southern states?

From my Boston perspective, most of these cities are southern.
However, if you're claiming they are not, you should consider that
this is from a list of cities over 500,000, which excludes all
cities in Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, South Carolina, Mississippi,
and Louisiana.

Birmingham, Little Rock, Atlanta, Jackson, and Miami have higher
murder rates than Philadelphia.

New Orleans would lead the list, having a murder rate 20% worse than
Washington.


JR Gilbreath wrote:

In 2002 the Leading cities for murders were; Washington DC,
Detroit, Baltimore, Memphis, Chicago and Philadelphia all southern
cities?

I'm hearing a common theme. driving with doors unlocked, hitchhiking.
Anyone that doesn;t take responibility for their own safety cannot blame
anyone but themselves.

Doug

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
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I Carry wrote:
...


The moral of the story is this, had my son been carrying, he could have
pulled his weapon while the car jacker was leaning out the window wildly
waving the gun around. The car jacker would have been the one at the
receiving end.

Or, your son would be dead.

I have a similar story: A very close friend was hitchhiking and got picked
up by some kids who had just been rejected from the Hell's Angels. As he
got out they shot him in the back of the head, just to prove how tough
they were. The gun, of course, was the kid's father's, and was kept in
the house for "protection."


Does my son carry today, do I carry today? You can bet your life on it.

Let me guess: you live in Georgia.