Eric Currier wrote:
Weebles, you have a valid argument...as long as you can convince the fish to
get out of the water and use a prota-potty to compensate for what you are
adding.


I think that for most people of Weeble's ilk, the issue is not one of
biology but of Freudian psychology. Mean ol' mommy won't let them
poo-poo wherever they want, so they kick up a fuss.

DSK

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 06:29:47 -0500, DSK wrotf:

Eric Currier wrote:
Weebles, you have a valid argument...as long as you can convince the fish to
get out of the water and use a prota-potty to compensate for what you are
adding.


I think that for most people of Weeble's ilk, the issue is not one of
biology but of Freudian psychology. Mean ol' mommy won't let them
poo-poo wherever they want, so they kick up a fuss.

DSK
Nope, just not overburdened with a chicken little, the sky is falling
mentality. Everything in feces - including human feces - is readily
biodegradable and serves as nutrients to many things in the water.


Weebles Wobble
(but they don't fall down)

I think that for most people of Weeble's ilk, the issue is not one of
biology but of Freudian psychology. Mean ol' mommy won't let them
poo-poo wherever they want, so they kick up a fuss.


wrote:
Nope, just not overburdened with a chicken little, the sky is falling
mentality. Everything in feces - including human feces - is readily
biodegradable and serves as nutrients to many things in the water.

So the facts have pretty much passed you by again?

Consider what human feces is nutrient *for* (other than yourself) and
maybe you'll be able to get a clue.

DSK

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:17:22 -0500, DSK wrotf:

So the facts have pretty much passed you by again?

Nope, just look at them dispassionately rather than with the typical
environmentalist hysteria.

Consider what human feces is nutrient *for* (other than yourself) and
maybe you'll be able to get a clue.

They are nutrients for many things including fish and bacteria, just
like the feces of all other organisms. There is nothing specifically
'evil' about human feces that make them more dangerous or less
beneficial than other animal feces.


Weebles Wobble
(but they don't fall down)

wrote:
Nope, just look at them dispassionately rather than with the typical
environmentalist hysteria.

Please demonstrate what part of my posts are "environmentalist hysteria."




Consider what human feces is nutrient *for* (other than yourself) and
maybe you'll be able to get a clue.


They are nutrients for many things including fish and bacteria, just
like the feces of all other organisms. There is nothing specifically
'evil' about human feces that make them more dangerous or less
beneficial than other animal feces.

And I have never suggested that the matter is spiritual or moral. "Evil"
doesn't enter the picture, microbiology and local ecology do.

Let's consider a hypothetical situation... you have large bucket of
water. It looks perfectly clear & clean, and it is safe to drink.
However if you look at a few drops of it under a microscope, you will
see all sorts of little teensy bugs swimming happily in it. If you get
out a chemistry set and do some analysis on the water, you'll find all
sorts of stuff in it besides pure H2O. With me so far?

Now take a crap into the bucket.

Is it going to be the same, in that it will have the same chemicals &
micro-organisms as before?

Will you drink from the bucket?

Get the picture?

DSK

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:17:22 -0500, DSK wrotf:

I think that for most people of Weeble's ilk, the issue is not one of
biology but of Freudian psychology. Mean ol' mommy won't let them
poo-poo wherever they want, so they kick up a fuss.


wrote:
Nope, just not overburdened with a chicken little, the sky is falling
mentality. Everything in feces - including human feces - is readily
biodegradable and serves as nutrients to many things in the water.

So the facts have pretty much passed you by again?

Consider what human feces is nutrient *for* (other than yourself) and
maybe you'll be able to get a clue.

DSK

The problem is not with human feces. They become a problem only when
dropped in huge concentrations, such as when seaside sewage systems
discharge into the seas or when large vessels pump out their holding
tanks all at once, creating large plumes of black water. Small boats
discharging after each use, especially when the feces have been
treated through chlorination or lectrasan do nothing but add nutrients
to the water since the properly set up sanitary system should destroy
bacteria.


Weebles Wobble
(but they don't fall down)

DSK wrote:

I think that for most people of Weeble's ilk, the issue is not one of
biology but of Freudian psychology. Mean ol' mommy won't let them
poo-poo wherever they want, so they kick up a fuss.


wrote:

Nope, just not overburdened with a chicken little, the sky is falling
mentality. Everything in feces - including human feces - is readily
biodegradable and serves as nutrients to many things in the water.


So the facts have pretty much passed you by again?

Consider what human feces is nutrient *for* (other than yourself) and
maybe you'll be able to get a clue.

DSK


Same as all other feces are food for. Algae, Zooplankton and fish
eat all the bacteria, which starve and decompose in water. It's
only those from sickies that matter.

How many diarrhetics stay at anchor off of your favorite beach? How
often do 400 kids all go the the hospital the same day with the same
infections?

It only happens down town. It's not caused by private pleasure
boats. It's caused by outfall overflows after rains on the intide.
It was common when I was a kid. Now, they close the beaches, and
blame the sailors. Go figure.

Or, maybe at marinas, or big stagnant anchorages with no pump out
barge or other pump out facilities there could be a problem if every
boat was occupied and dumped all the time. Now, you gotta add to the
chlorine burden on the economy with an expensive electronic biddle?
Does increasing chlorine without adding sodium speed up the melting
of fresh ice on salt water? It would probably increase the
conductivity of water and consumption of zinc sacrafices.

But not at any scale possible for we boaters.

An air blown tank, with waterline screw nipple would do if used
legally. As a benefit of rigging an air purge system, an air
blowable tank could be force ventilated by a quiet small fan. The
vented gas could even be used to force a draught in a small heater /
cooker burning say, a firelog? A side of methane with that barbeque
lighter, sir?

Could dried feces and wax or other food waste such as tallow and
castoff paper, wrappings, etc. be made into fire logs?

I love cheap double duty stuff. Why do we have to mix pee and poo?
Besides drowning and flushing with water, how else could one deal
with feces? Perhaps a ventilated drying cabinet, with sawdust or
charcoal?

Terry K

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 01:08:39 -0400, Terry Spragg
wrote:


I love cheap double duty stuff. Why do we have to mix pee and poo?
Besides drowning and flushing with water, how else could one deal
with feces? Perhaps a ventilated drying cabinet, with sawdust or
charcoal?

Terry K

Check out composting toilets such as airhead (www.airheadtoilet.com)
I am planning on using one of their units for my boat. Not sure about
turning the residue into firelogs, but you can always take it home for
garden fertilizer at the end of the cruise. This toilet does provide
separate paths for feces and urine so the solids can dry out much
faster.



Weebles Wobble
(but they don't fall down)