Shinnecock is a lock

Not according to the Army Corps of Engineers. But what do they know?

On 16 Oct 2004 02:44:58 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

Shinnecock is a lock

Not according to the Army Corps of Engineers. But what do they know?

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This is really easy. Just remember: 2 gates = 1 lock

If in doubt you could always look at a chart of course:

http://tinyurl.com/6ncpg

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
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Shinnecock is a lock

Not according to the Army Corps of Engineers. But what do they know?

Not much about this lock. But that could be because they don't maintain it.

Here's one account of the locks from:
http://www.whaler.com/REC/WhalerTour...?content=log25

"Shinnecock Bay lay to the south of the marina, and entering it requires going through
the Shinnecock canal, which is about a mile and half long. Mid-way through the canal
is the dreaded Shinnecock Lock. Ordinarily the lock operates like any other; the boats
enter, the gates on one end close, and once the water is raised or lowered, the gates
on the opposite end open so that the boats can exit. However, twice a day for about
six hours, the gates remain open. The current rushes through at nearly five knots and
boaters test their skill as they try to traverse the tricky canal. On our first trip
through, Kevin, one of the salesmen, was aboard and we appreciated his advice. Local
knowledge, always invaluable, was never so much appreciated as we negotiated our way
through the canal, through the lock, and into the Bay. "

jeffies, resorts to quoting a blog to "prove" the USCG is wrong.

"Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/16/2004 7:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Shinnecock is a lock

Not according to the Army Corps of Engineers. But what do they know?

Not much about this lock. But that could be because they don't maintain it.

Here's one account of the locks from:
http://www.whaler.com/REC/WhalerTour...?content=log25

"Shinnecock Bay lay to the south of the marina, and entering it requires
going through
the Shinnecock canal, which is about a mile and half long. Mid-way through
the canal
is the dreaded Shinnecock Lock. Ordinarily the lock operates like any other;
the boats
enter, the gates on one end close, and once the water is raised or lowered,
the gates
on the opposite end open so that the boats can exit. However, twice a day for
about
six hours, the gates remain open. The current rushes through at nearly five
knots and
boaters test their skill as they try to traverse the tricky canal. On our
first trip
through, Kevin, one of the salesmen, was aboard and we appreciated his
advice. Local
knowledge, always invaluable, was never so much appreciated as we negotiated
our way
through the canal, through the lock, and into the Bay. "

I quoted the Coast Pilot, but you didn't believe it. Face it jaxie, this is yet
another topic where you've demonstrated your ignorance.

If you can provide a source for your claims, why don't you do so? If you don't,
you're just admitting you acted like a 5 year-old and made it up.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, resorts to quoting a blog to "prove" the USCG is wrong.

"Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/16/2004 7:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Shinnecock is a lock

Not according to the Army Corps of Engineers. But what do they know?

Not much about this lock. But that could be because they don't maintain it.

Here's one account of the locks from:
http://www.whaler.com/REC/WhalerTour...?content=log25

"Shinnecock Bay lay to the south of the marina, and entering it requires
going through
the Shinnecock canal, which is about a mile and half long. Mid-way through
the canal
is the dreaded Shinnecock Lock. Ordinarily the lock operates like any other;
the boats
enter, the gates on one end close, and once the water is raised or lowered,
the gates
on the opposite end open so that the boats can exit. However, twice a day for
about
six hours, the gates remain open. The current rushes through at nearly five
knots and
boaters test their skill as they try to traverse the tricky canal. On our
first trip
through, Kevin, one of the salesmen, was aboard and we appreciated his
advice. Local
knowledge, always invaluable, was never so much appreciated as we negotiated
our way
through the canal, through the lock, and into the Bay. "

jeffies, you have never seen the Shinnecock/Suez Canal, not even from the
highway. so, how come you keep insisting that neither the United States Coast
Guard, nor the United States Army Corps of Engineers is wrong?

btw, jeffies, what is the chance *you* think *you* could move your training
wheels through that canal and out through the bay on the ocean side? tell us
about just how you and your wife are going to pull down your mast on one end of
the canal and put it up on the other, and then just how you are going to
navigate the channel out through Hampton Bay (without calling SeaTow several
times), then make it past the entrance (which side does one favor, today?) and
then through the wind against the current, then on to (what if totally
frightening to you) the open ocean?

Gee, the blogs didn't mention that, did they?

jeffies, the only people who think the SC has a lock are locals trying to make
it sound like the Suez Canal, and people such as yourself who read blogs as
insightful fact.

From: "Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/16/2004 9:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

I quoted the Coast Pilot, but you didn't believe it. Face it jaxie, this is
yet
another topic where you've demonstrated your ignorance.

If you can provide a source for your claims, why don't you do so? If you
don't,
you're just admitting you acted like a 5 year-old and made it up.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, resorts to quoting a blog to "prove" the USCG is wrong.

"Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/16/2004 7:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Shinnecock is a lock

Not according to the Army Corps of Engineers. But what do they know?

Not much about this lock. But that could be because they don't maintain
it.

Here's one account of the locks from:
http://www.whaler.com/REC/WhalerTour...?content=log25

"Shinnecock Bay lay to the south of the marina, and entering it requires
going through
the Shinnecock canal, which is about a mile and half long. Mid-way through
the canal
is the dreaded Shinnecock Lock. Ordinarily the lock operates like any
other;
the boats
enter, the gates on one end close, and once the water is raised or
lowered,
the gates
on the opposite end open so that the boats can exit. However, twice a day
for
about
six hours, the gates remain open. The current rushes through at nearly
five
knots and
boaters test their skill as they try to traverse the tricky canal. On our
first trip
through, Kevin, one of the salesmen, was aboard and we appreciated his
advice. Local
knowledge, always invaluable, was never so much appreciated as we
negotiated
our way
through the canal, through the lock, and into the Bay. "

On 16 Oct 2004 14:09:40 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

jeffies, the only people who think the SC has a lock are locals trying to make
it sound like the Suez Canal, and people such as yourself who read blogs as
insightful fact.

==============================

The people who make the charts also seem to think so:

http://tinyurl.com/6ncpg

LOCK
WIDTH 41 FT.
LENGTH 250 FT.

But what do they know?

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, you have never seen the Shinnecock/Suez Canal, not even from the
highway. so, how come you keep insisting that neither the United States Coast
Guard, nor the United States Army Corps of Engineers is wrong?

Nope, I've never been through. I'm just quoting what the Coast Pilot says. There
are a number of sites that refer to the locks.

And I'm not saying the CG or Army Corps are wrong; I'm saying you're lying about what
they say.



btw, jeffies, what is the chance *you* think *you* could move your training
wheels through that canal and out through the bay on the ocean side? tell us
about just how you and your wife are going to pull down your mast on one end of
the canal and put it up on the other, and then just how you are going to
navigate the channel out through Hampton Bay (without calling SeaTow several
times), then make it past the entrance (which side does one favor, today?) and
then through the wind against the current, then on to (what if totally
frightening to you) the open ocean?

What's the problem? You must realize that my boat was built in Toronto and I brought
her down through the Erie Canal. And I've boated all my life near the locks on the
Charles River, their operation is no great mystery.

Sorry Jax, you can't bluff your way through this; its clear you've never been there,
and probably have never seen a lock in operation.




Gee, the blogs didn't mention that, did they?

jeffies, the only people who think the SC has a lock are locals trying to make
it sound like the Suez Canal, and people such as yourself who read blogs as
insightful fact.

A blog is infinately more trustworthy than your advice, jaxie! What's your record
now? About zero for a thousand? You're a chronic liar, jaxie. When you don't know
what's going on, (which is most of the time) you just make it up.

BTW, are you claiming the Suez Canal has locks? Guess that's another thing you don't
know about.



From: "Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/16/2004 9:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

I quoted the Coast Pilot, but you didn't believe it. Face it jaxie, this is
yet
another topic where you've demonstrated your ignorance.

If you can provide a source for your claims, why don't you do so? If you
don't,
you're just admitting you acted like a 5 year-old and made it up.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, resorts to quoting a blog to "prove" the USCG is wrong.

"Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/16/2004 7:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Shinnecock is a lock

Not according to the Army Corps of Engineers. But what do they know?

Not much about this lock. But that could be because they don't maintain
it.

Here's one account of the locks from:
http://www.whaler.com/REC/WhalerTour...?content=log25

"Shinnecock Bay lay to the south of the marina, and entering it requires
going through
the Shinnecock canal, which is about a mile and half long. Mid-way through
the canal
is the dreaded Shinnecock Lock. Ordinarily the lock operates like any
other;
the boats
enter, the gates on one end close, and once the water is raised or
lowered,
the gates
on the opposite end open so that the boats can exit. However, twice a day
for
about
six hours, the gates remain open. The current rushes through at nearly
five
knots and
boaters test their skill as they try to traverse the tricky canal. On our
first trip
through, Kevin, one of the salesmen, was aboard and we appreciated his
advice. Local
knowledge, always invaluable, was never so much appreciated as we
negotiated
our way
through the canal, through the lock, and into the Bay. "

jeffies, haul out a chart and LOOK at what you are proposing. kriste almighty!

From: "Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/16/2004 12:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, you have never seen the Shinnecock/Suez Canal, not even from the
highway. so, how come you keep insisting that neither the United States
Coast
Guard, nor the United States Army Corps of Engineers is wrong?

Nope, I've never been through. I'm just quoting what the Coast Pilot says.
There
are a number of sites that refer to the locks.

And I'm not saying the CG or Army Corps are wrong; I'm saying you're lying
about what
they say.



btw, jeffies, what is the chance *you* think *you* could move your training
wheels through that canal and out through the bay on the ocean side? tell
us
about just how you and your wife are going to pull down your mast on one
end of
the canal and put it up on the other, and then just how you are going to
navigate the channel out through Hampton Bay (without calling SeaTow
several
times), then make it past the entrance (which side does one favor, today?)
and
then through the wind against the current, then on to (what if totally
frightening to you) the open ocean?

What's the problem? You must realize that my boat was built in Toronto and I
brought
her down through the Erie Canal. And I've boated all my life near the locks
on the
Charles River, their operation is no great mystery.

Sorry Jax, you can't bluff your way through this; its clear you've never been
there,
and probably have never seen a lock in operation.




Gee, the blogs didn't mention that, did they?

jeffies, the only people who think the SC has a lock are locals trying to
make
it sound like the Suez Canal, and people such as yourself who read blogs as
insightful fact.

A blog is infinately more trustworthy than your advice, jaxie! What's your
record
now? About zero for a thousand? You're a chronic liar, jaxie. When you
don't know
what's going on, (which is most of the time) you just make it up.

BTW, are you claiming the Suez Canal has locks? Guess that's another thing
you don't
know about.



From: "Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/16/2004 9:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

I quoted the Coast Pilot, but you didn't believe it. Face it jaxie, this
is
yet
another topic where you've demonstrated your ignorance.

If you can provide a source for your claims, why don't you do so? If you
don't,
you're just admitting you acted like a 5 year-old and made it up.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, resorts to quoting a blog to "prove" the USCG is wrong.

"Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/16/2004 7:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Shinnecock is a lock

Not according to the Army Corps of Engineers. But what do they know?

Not much about this lock. But that could be because they don't
maintain
it.

Here's one account of the locks from:
http://www.whaler.com/REC/WhalerTour...?content=log25

"Shinnecock Bay lay to the south of the marina, and entering it
requires
going through
the Shinnecock canal, which is about a mile and half long. Mid-way
through
the canal
is the dreaded Shinnecock Lock. Ordinarily the lock operates like any
other;
the boats
enter, the gates on one end close, and once the water is raised or
lowered,
the gates
on the opposite end open so that the boats can exit. However, twice a
day
for
about
six hours, the gates remain open. The current rushes through at nearly
five
knots and
boaters test their skill as they try to traverse the tricky canal. On
our
first trip
through, Kevin, one of the salesmen, was aboard and we appreciated his
advice. Local
knowledge, always invaluable, was never so much appreciated as we
negotiated
our way
through the canal, through the lock, and into the Bay. "