JAXAshby wrote:
so, doug, what kind of "reserve bouyancy" did you "fitted cockpit cushions"
provide on your Hunter 19?

We did not have fitted cockpit cushions on our Hunter 19

http://community.webshots.com/photo/...83126076NPuUer

Any other questions Jax?

DSK

Rich Hampel wrote:

I'm an iconoclast at heart, I cant help myself. Whenever someone
states such and so is the correct true form ... usually means whats
currently in vogue' .... and soon to go out of 'vogue'.



Some things never go out of style... long sweeping overhangs, for
example... beautiful! But not practical unless you can have a really big
one like say, Shamrock


There are plenty of instances of modern designs sticking out weather
that hammered more traditional boats, including (sadly) breaking up.

All depends on if the sailor KNOWS how to sail, doesnt it.









Funny, all those racing boats have to be delivered to the starts and
from the finishes. Usually they have a tight schedule and are often out
in weather that's at least a little uncomfortable. If they were that
bad, then we'd be hearing news about them sinking and loss of life etc
etc. But not a whisper... is it a cover-up?

Essentially its is when you know how many designs destructively fail
and never make it to the race course at all.


There are plenty of instances of modern designs sticking out weather
that hammered more traditional boats, including (sadly) breaking up.


All depends on if the sailor KNOWS how to sail, doesnt it.



Sure. That's the key to getting performance... whatever one defines the
performance goal to be... out of any type boat.

Of course, if one's defined goal is "impress everybody around the dock,
while being slow under sail and difficult to maneuver in optimal
circumstances" that's easy to achieve. It's one reason why I have such a
distaste for the faux Colin Archer types.

Some time ago I overheard a couple of people arguing about whether the
Valiant 40 was derived from North Sea or Baltic working vessels... I
didn't interrupt to ask how many of either had fin keels, but I should
have...





The original Colin Archer redningskoite designs were dependent on
reserve bouyancy forward and aft... an aside, they were also built as
lightly as possible given the technology of the times...


I dont think they were, my perception is that they were quite 'pinched'
on the ends, simply because one cant bend the strakes to include much
bustle in the ends.


Take a look at the lines of the real deal Colin Archer some time. There
is no bustle, they have flared aft and foreward sections for reserve
bouyancy. They also have more salient keel flat, unpopular with
fiberglass builders.

Here's an interesting pic of a model
http://www.maritim-modellklubb.no/Im...n_Archer_4.jpg

There used to be a Colin Archer lines plan on the wwweb but I can't find
it at the moment.

William Atkins "yacht-ized" the original plans back in the 1930s and
each successive generation has bowdlerized it even further and still
claimed the pedigree. Some are nice boats. Most have little relation to
the original and any similarity in sailing/handling characteristics are
coincidental.



OTOH it's also possible to have the volume in the wrong place, such
as those beautiful old fashioned counter sterns that are utter beasts at
sea.


They weren NOT designed for 'comfort'


I didn't say they were.

... they were designed as 'rule
beaters' .... and wound up with too much 'rocker' and extreme short
water line length when upright. The rule at the time penalized long
waterline length .......



Rating rules still penalize waterline length. Anyway, if you check out
Rob't Perry's 'comfort index' formula you'll see that it rewards long
overhangs. Rather odd IMHO but I'm not a famous yacht designer! It seems
likely to me that it is a "quick and dirty" way to get reserve bouyancy
fore & aft into a relatively simple math equation.


Funny, all those racing boats have to be delivered to the starts and
from the finishes. Usually they have a tight schedule and are often out
in weather that's at least a little uncomfortable. If they were that
bad, then we'd be hearing news about them sinking and loss of life etc
etc. But not a whisper... is it a cover-up?


Essentially its is when you know how many designs destructively fail
and never make it to the race course at all.


I have an idea, but it's a lot lower than you'd like.


Some people's "easy coastal passage" is another person's nightmare.
It's all relative. If you want to believe that open transoms are death
traps (and I've had several "old salt" types tell me exactly that) then
be my guest. But there isn't really much fact to support that position.


Except those that that have had their teeth loosened during a blow
riding on a wildly bucking, fat assed sled. Thanks, I prefer to go
below and simply wait it out. hmmmmmpf.



It's a matter of how the boat is sailed as much as anything else. I've
handled a lot of fairly light fast boats in hard weather, and if your
goal is not ultimate VMG to weather then you can take it easy and they
don't pound any more than the HMS Victory would.

This is pretty much heresy to most cruisers, but my experience has shown
me that modern boats sail much better in worse weather than the old time
traditional boats. The foils are more efficient, the sailplans are
easier to work (if you're not dedicated to cracking on regardless), they
steer better. Usually they're a lot drier below too.

As an iconoclast yourself, you should consider rejecting all those old
wives tales about what seaworthy boats *have* to look like. Robert Perry
once said (in an unguarded moment) that the Valiant 40 resulted from a
good modern design concept that he then sold by making it look like a
pirate ship.

The worse sea conditions get, the more important ultimate structural
integrity is, and the greater tha chance of getting conked on the head
by a flying can of soup. But the last point is usually not factored in
at the design table!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

so, doug, what kind of "reserve bouyancy" did you "fitted cockpit cushions"
provide on your Hunter 19?

We did not have fitted cockpit cushions on our Hunter 19


why is that? after you claimed that fitted cockpit cushions are a serious
safety imporvement are we to take it you have a death wish for not installing
such on your personal boat?

JAXAshby wrote:
why is that? after you claimed that fitted cockpit cushions are a serious
safety imporvement

Please quote where I said any such thing.

DSK

Sheesh, Doodles, you're really gett'n hard up for an argument, aren't you.

JAXAshby wrote:
so, doug, what kind of "reserve bouyancy" did you "fitted cockpit cushions"
provide on your Hunter 19?

We did not have fitted cockpit cushions on our Hunter 19



why is that? after you claimed that fitted cockpit cushions are a serious
safety imporvement are we to take it you have a death wish for not installing
such on your personal boat?

how soon you forget, dougies. having a senior moment, are you?

why is that? after you claimed that fitted cockpit cushions are a serious
safety imporvement

Please quote where I said any such thing.

DSK

dougies were bein' pontificatin' on hous muches hiss noses 'bout dem boaty
tings and hiss says "fitted cockpit cushions" are for whats makes dem boaty
tings mosterler seeworthee. I jes pointin' outs dat dougoies gots nose see
'cperience to nose whatz iss seeworthees or nots.

Sheesh, Doodles, you're really gett'n hard up for an argument, aren't you.

JAXAshby wrote:
so, doug, what kind of "reserve bouyancy" did you "fitted cockpit
cushions"
provide on your Hunter 19?

We did not have fitted cockpit cushions on our Hunter 19



why is that? after you claimed that fitted cockpit cushions are a serious
safety imporvement are we to take it you have a death wish for not
installing
such on your personal boat?

Oops, Doodles, forgot to turn your spell checker on, again, I see.

otn

JAXAshby wrote:
dougies were bein' pontificatin' on hous muches hiss noses 'bout dem boaty
tings and hiss says "fitted cockpit cushions" are for whats makes dem boaty
tings mosterler seeworthee. I jes pointin' outs dat dougoies gots nose see
'cperience to nose whatz iss seeworthees or nots.


Sheesh, Doodles, you're really gett'n hard up for an argument, aren't you.

JAXAshby wrote:

so, doug, what kind of "reserve bouyancy" did you "fitted cockpit

cushions"

provide on your Hunter 19?

We did not have fitted cockpit cushions on our Hunter 19



why is that? after you claimed that fitted cockpit cushions are a serious
safety imporvement are we to take it you have a death wish for not

installing

such on your personal boat?

sorry, over the knee. I turned on my trailer trash spel czech especially for
you. are you saying you didn't appreciate being rminded of your language of
origin?

Oops, Doodles, forgot to turn your spell checker on, again, I see.

otn

JAXAshby wrote:
dougies were bein' pontificatin' on hous muches hiss noses 'bout dem boaty
tings and hiss says "fitted cockpit cushions" are for whats makes dem boaty
tings mosterler seeworthee. I jes pointin' outs dat dougoies gots nose see
'cperience to nose whatz iss seeworthees or nots.


Sheesh, Doodles, you're really gett'n hard up for an argument, aren't you.

JAXAshby wrote:

so, doug, what kind of "reserve bouyancy" did you "fitted cockpit

cushions"

provide on your Hunter 19?

We did not have fitted cockpit cushions on our Hunter 19



why is that? after you claimed that fitted cockpit cushions are a serious
safety imporvement are we to take it you have a death wish for not

installing

such on your personal boat?

LOL, Doodles, spell check on, spell check off, it's obvious that your
knowledge of spelling just about equals your knowledge of anything boating.
As for being "trailer trash" BG ....nah .... my old schools song says
it best .... starts off, "For we're a bunch of *******s, scum of the
Earth ..... ".

otn

JAXAshby wrote:
sorry, over the knee. I turned on my trailer trash spel czech especially for
you. are you saying you didn't appreciate being rminded of your language of
origin?

over the knee tells up for god know what reason buried deep in the backwaters
of his head:

my old schools song
starts off, "For we're a bunch of *******s, scum of the
Earth ..... ".

LOL I guess Doodles hasn't heard that song.

otn

JAXAshby wrote:
over the knee tells up for god know what reason buried deep in the backwaters
of his head:


my old schools song
starts off, "For we're a bunch of *******s, scum of the
Earth ..... ".

JAXAshby wrote:

Don't fret... I promise not to look to you for help.

Don't fret... I promise not to look to you for help.

and if you were moral, you would not ask for anyone else's either.

Strange philosophy you've got there.

you are a
floatin accident looking for a rock.

I don't believe we've met.

JAXAshby wrote:

that is what you said, moose stored. changed your mind, or just can't remember
what you said from one day to the next?

Produce a quote where I said any such thing.



well, for one, you think fitted cockpit cushions make a boat more
seaworthy.

Huh?

JAXAshby wrote:

geesh, dood, back to study with you. lunch isn't for another 45 minutes.

Can you say dementia?

moose stored, I believe the word used for someone like you who is terrified of
3 foot seas in a Tayana 37, yet intends to push the button on an EPIRB when the
beer runs low is "chicken****". You may have dementia as well, but we were not
discussing that.

You scorn me for preferring my foam in a schooner?... shame.

JAXAshby wrote:

moose store, for crimminy sakes!! read another book before you post again.

Old salts like us don't need no steenkeen books.



Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Yep, it gets rid of that easy to get at, easy to repair, nasty old ugly
rudder hangn from the transom.

There's no reason why a transom hung rudder couldn't be hung from an
open transom. Lots of racing boats have that exact arrangement... oh
wait, is that a dirty word?

How did 'racing boats' get into this?

I suppose you could design a mast hung rudder and with enough money,
build it. I'm sure there'd be much controversy pro and con in the water
holiday pulps but what the hey....



... Also does a swell job of reducing
living space in a given length.

??? Increasing reserve bouyancy aft increases interior space aft.

Scoop out the stern from above or below and you lose living space.



It's not those old fashioned counter sterns or double enders that have
whole staterooms tucked under the cockpit & quarters in 35 footers.

Whole staterooms in 35 footers? I guess that depends on your
definition of "stateroom".



... As for seaworthiness... the more
poops the better. Well, I suppose happy hour on the steps of a
swim cum fishing cum barbecue platform in mid ocean makes it
all worth it. Time to change the hood ornament.

Hood ornaments are dangerous... they block the drivers vision and they
gouge chunks out of unlucky pedestrians... not sure how that affects
behavior in following seas though.

Depends which way the trinket is facing.

JAXAshby wrote:

moose stored, you are pretty ignorant about sailing. maybe you want to read a
second, or even a third, book before you continue to post.

What's a good book to start with?



rhys wrote:
I gather Colvin hates the idea of getting pooped in a Jacuzzi-sized
cockpit. Well, who can blame him?


Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Fitted cushion salesmen, for starters.

Or anyone who grasps the concept of sufficient reserve bouyancy coupled
with an open transom.

It's just amazing, if water gets in it runs right back out again quick
as a wink. And it's handy a lot of other ways, too.

Yep, it gets rid of that easy to get at, easy to repair, nasty old ugly
rudder hangn from the transom. Also does a swell job of reducing
living space in a given length. As for seaworthiness... the more
poops the better. Well, I suppose happy hour on the steps of a
swim cum fishing cum barbecue platform in mid ocean makes it
all worth it. Time to change the hood ornament.

and if you were moral, you would not ask for anyone else's either.

Strange philosophy you've got there.

not really. it sometimes referred to as Darwin.

you are a
floatin accident looking for a rock.

I don't believe we've met.


that is true. And, if I am lucky, it will always be true.

moose stored hits and runs totally unable to accept responsibility for his
actions below. it clearly shows why moose store should never own an EPIRB


that is what you said, moose stored. changed your mind, or just can't
remember
what you said from one day to the next?

Produce a quote where I said any such thing.



well, for one, you think fitted cockpit cushions make a boat more
seaworthy.

Huh?

speaking of dementia ...

Can you say dementia?

moose stored, I believe the word used for someone like you who is terrified
of
3 foot seas in a Tayana 37, yet intends to push the button on an EPIRB when
the
beer runs low is "chicken****". You may have dementia as well, but we were
not
discussing that.

You scorn me for preferring my foam in a schooner?... shame.

so, moose store, you are saying you haven't even *one* book? That is stranger
than usual, for most idgits read at least one before proclaiming experthood.

moose store, for crimminy sakes!! read another book before you post again.

Old salts like us don't need no steenkeen books.



Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Yep, it gets rid of that easy to get at, easy to repair, nasty old
ugly
rudder hangn from the transom.

There's no reason why a transom hung rudder couldn't be hung from an
open transom. Lots of racing boats have that exact arrangement... oh
wait, is that a dirty word?

How did 'racing boats' get into this?

I suppose you could design a mast hung rudder and with enough money,
build it. I'm sure there'd be much controversy pro and con in the water
holiday pulps but what the hey....



... Also does a swell job of reducing
living space in a given length.

??? Increasing reserve bouyancy aft increases interior space aft.

Scoop out the stern from above or below and you lose living space.



It's not those old fashioned counter sterns or double enders that have
whole staterooms tucked under the cockpit & quarters in 35 footers.

Whole staterooms in 35 footers? I guess that depends on your
definition of "stateroom".



... As for seaworthiness... the more
poops the better. Well, I suppose happy hour on the steps of a
swim cum fishing cum barbecue platform in mid ocean makes it
all worth it. Time to change the hood ornament.

Hood ornaments are dangerous... they block the drivers vision and they
gouge chunks out of unlucky pedestrians... not sure how that affects
behavior in following seas though.

Depends which way the trinket is facing.

you *could* start with Dick and Jane.

moose stored, you are pretty ignorant about sailing. maybe you want to
read a
second, or even a third, book before you continue to post.

What's a good book to start with?



rhys wrote:
I gather Colvin hates the idea of getting pooped in a Jacuzzi-sized
cockpit. Well, who can blame him?


Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Fitted cushion salesmen, for starters.

Or anyone who grasps the concept of sufficient reserve bouyancy coupled
with an open transom.

It's just amazing, if water gets in it runs right back out again quick
as a wink. And it's handy a lot of other ways, too.

Yep, it gets rid of that easy to get at, easy to repair, nasty old ugly
rudder hangn from the transom. Also does a swell job of reducing
living space in a given length. As for seaworthiness... the more
poops the better. Well, I suppose happy hour on the steps of a
swim cum fishing cum barbecue platform in mid ocean makes it
all worth it. Time to change the hood ornament.

What's a good book to start with?

here ya go, moose store, over a half million for you. most people are become
advanced beginners somewhere after the first few dozen books. so, get hopping.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...books&btnG=Goo
gle+Search

Except Doodles (better known as Jaxass), who's read countless books and
is STILL rated as 10 point below novice.
As we can see from his usual postings, part of his problem is reading
comprehension, since he can't spell so he's not all that sure what the
words say or mean.

otn

JAXAshby wrote:
What's a good book to start with?


here ya go, moose store, over a half million for you. most people are become
advanced beginners somewhere after the first few dozen books. so, get hopping.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...books&btnG=Goo
gle+Search

JAXAshby wrote:

moose stored hits and runs totally unable to accept responsibility for his
actions below. it clearly shows why moose store should never own an EPIRB

Judging from your posts you're in constant distress, so I suggest
you keep yours with you at all times..



that is what you said, moose stored. changed your mind, or just can't
remember
what you said from one day to the next?

Produce a quote where I said any such thing.



well, for one, you think fitted cockpit cushions make a boat more
seaworthy.

Huh?

--

The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.

since he can't spell so he's not all that sure what the ...

spelink is fer sexretaries, English lip magors, em ef ayes, and other who
cain't but jes barely gets threw callege.

actually, over the knee, exectly spellinks saldem read more than 150 wers per
minute. but I ges you knews that. takes you HOW longh to read a Ludlam novel?
Five weeks? ges what's, most people read Ludlum (or any other novel in a
night)

gud spelink clarely shows one cain't read but at talkin speed.




From: otnmbrd
Date: 8/22/2004 8:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: t

Except Doodles (better known as Jaxass), who's read countless books and
is STILL rated as 10 point below novice.
As we can see from his usual postings, part of his problem is reading
comprehension, since he can't spell so he's not all that sure what the
words say or mean.

otn

JAXAshby wrote:
What's a good book to start with?


here ya go, moose store, over a half million for you. most people are
become
advanced beginners somewhere after the first few dozen books. so, get
hopping.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...books&btnG=Goo
gle+Search

weight to gow, moose store. what a fine comeback showing yoour exteseve unders
standings of tings natuicatla.

btw, why in hell do you call yourself a name that rhymes with "whore"

From: Roy Jose Lorr
Date: 8/22/2004 9:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:



JAXAshby wrote:

moose stored hits and runs totally unable to accept responsibility for his
actions below. it clearly shows why moose store should never own an EPIRB

Judging from your posts you're in constant distress, so I suggest
you keep yours with you at all times..



that is what you said, moose stored. changed your mind, or just can't
remember
what you said from one day to the next?

Produce a quote where I said any such thing.



well, for one, you think fitted cockpit cushions make a boat more
seaworthy.

Huh?

--

The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.

JAXAshby wrote:

speaking of dementia ...

Can you say dullard?



Can you say dementia?

moose stored, I believe the word used for someone like you who is terrified
of
3 foot seas in a Tayana 37, yet intends to push the button on an EPIRB when
the
beer runs low is "chicken****". You may have dementia as well, but we were
not
discussing that.

You scorn me for preferring my foam in a schooner?... shame.








--

The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.

speaking of dementia ...

Can you say dullard?

of course. you are a dullard. and a damned stew ped one at that.

JAXAshby wrote:

you *could* start with Dick and Jane.

Dick and Jane who?



moose stored, you are pretty ignorant about sailing. maybe you want to
read a
second, or even a third, book before you continue to post.

What's a good book to start with?



rhys wrote:
I gather Colvin hates the idea of getting pooped in a Jacuzzi-sized
cockpit. Well, who can blame him?


Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Fitted cushion salesmen, for starters.

Or anyone who grasps the concept of sufficient reserve bouyancy coupled
with an open transom.

It's just amazing, if water gets in it runs right back out again quick
as a wink. And it's handy a lot of other ways, too.

Yep, it gets rid of that easy to get at, easy to repair, nasty old ugly
rudder hangn from the transom. Also does a swell job of reducing
living space in a given length. As for seaworthiness... the more
poops the better. Well, I suppose happy hour on the steps of a
swim cum fishing cum barbecue platform in mid ocean makes it
all worth it. Time to change the hood ornament.

JAXAshby wrote:

What's a good book to start with?

here ya go, moose store, over a half million for you. most people are become
advanced beginners somewhere after the first few dozen books. so, get hopping.

I thought you suggested I start with "Dick and Jane"... I didn't
see it listed at the url you gave.



http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...books&btnG=Goo
gle+Search

JAXAshby wrote:

so, moose store, you are saying you haven't even *one* book? That is stranger
than usual, for most idgits read at least one before proclaiming experthood.

When did I "proclaim experthood"?



moose store, for crimminy sakes!! read another book before you post again.

Old salts like us don't need no steenkeen books.



Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Yep, it gets rid of that easy to get at, easy to repair, nasty old
ugly
rudder hangn from the transom.

There's no reason why a transom hung rudder couldn't be hung from an
open transom. Lots of racing boats have that exact arrangement... oh
wait, is that a dirty word?

How did 'racing boats' get into this?

I suppose you could design a mast hung rudder and with enough money,
build it. I'm sure there'd be much controversy pro and con in the water
holiday pulps but what the hey....



... Also does a swell job of reducing
living space in a given length.

??? Increasing reserve bouyancy aft increases interior space aft.

Scoop out the stern from above or below and you lose living space.



It's not those old fashioned counter sterns or double enders that have
whole staterooms tucked under the cockpit & quarters in 35 footers.

Whole staterooms in 35 footers? I guess that depends on your
definition of "stateroom".



... As for seaworthiness... the more
poops the better. Well, I suppose happy hour on the steps of a
swim cum fishing cum barbecue platform in mid ocean makes it
all worth it. Time to change the hood ornament.

Hood ornaments are dangerous... they block the drivers vision and they
gouge chunks out of unlucky pedestrians... not sure how that affects
behavior in following seas though.

Depends which way the trinket is facing.








--

The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.

JAXAshby wrote:

speaking of dementia ...

Can you say dullard?

of course. you are a dullard. and a damned stew ped one at that.

stew ped: sailors midwatch snack, made
from slue footed crowsnesters.

JAXAshby wrote:

weight to gow, moose store. what a fine comeback showing yoour exteseve unders
standings of tings natuicatla.

btw, why in hell do you call yourself a name that rhymes with "whore"

Methinks you're lacking an adequate number of holes in your euphroe.



From: Roy Jose Lorr
Date: 8/22/2004 9:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:



JAXAshby wrote:

moose stored hits and runs totally unable to accept responsibility for his
actions below. it clearly shows why moose store should never own an EPIRB

Judging from your posts you're in constant distress, so I suggest
you keep yours with you at all times..



that is what you said, moose stored. changed your mind, or just can't
remember
what you said from one day to the next?

Produce a quote where I said any such thing.



well, for one, you think fitted cockpit cushions make a boat more
seaworthy.

Huh?

--

The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.









--

The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.

JAXAshby wrote:

and if you were moral, you would not ask for anyone else's either.

Strange philosophy you've got there.

not really. it sometimes referred to as Darwin.

By whom?... beside yourself.

JAXAshby wrote:

you are a
floatin accident looking for a rock.

I don't believe we've met.


that is true. And, if I am lucky, it will always be true.

From your mouth to God's ear.

moose sore, when you stated that "fitted cockpit cushions" made a boat more
seaworthy.

so, moose store, you are saying you haven't even *one* book? That is
stranger
than usual, for most idgits read at least one before proclaiming
experthood.

When did I "proclaim experthood"?



moose store, for crimminy sakes!! read another book before you post
again.

Old salts like us don't need no steenkeen books.



Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Yep, it gets rid of that easy to get at, easy to repair, nasty old
ugly
rudder hangn from the transom.

There's no reason why a transom hung rudder couldn't be hung from an
open transom. Lots of racing boats have that exact arrangement... oh
wait, is that a dirty word?

How did 'racing boats' get into this?

I suppose you could design a mast hung rudder and with enough money,
build it. I'm sure there'd be much controversy pro and con in the
water
holiday pulps but what the hey....



... Also does a swell job of reducing
living space in a given length.

??? Increasing reserve bouyancy aft increases interior space aft.

Scoop out the stern from above or below and you lose living space.



It's not those old fashioned counter sterns or double enders that
have
whole staterooms tucked under the cockpit & quarters in 35 footers.

Whole staterooms in 35 footers? I guess that depends on your
definition of "stateroom".



... As for seaworthiness... the more
poops the better. Well, I suppose happy hour on the steps of a
swim cum fishing cum barbecue platform in mid ocean makes it
all worth it. Time to change the hood ornament.

Hood ornaments are dangerous... they block the drivers vision and
they
gouge chunks out of unlucky pedestrians... not sure how that affects
behavior in following seas though.

Depends which way the trinket is facing.








--

The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.

JAXAshby wrote:

moose sore, when you stated that "fitted cockpit cushions" made a boat more
seaworthy.

Never said any such thing. Try breaking that nasty Nyquil habit of yours.



so, moose store, you are saying you haven't even *one* book? That is
stranger
than usual, for most idgits read at least one before proclaiming
experthood.

When did I "proclaim experthood"?



moose store, for crimminy sakes!! read another book before you post
again.

Old salts like us don't need no steenkeen books.



Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Yep, it gets rid of that easy to get at, easy to repair, nasty old
ugly
rudder hangn from the transom.

There's no reason why a transom hung rudder couldn't be hung from an
open transom. Lots of racing boats have that exact arrangement... oh
wait, is that a dirty word?

How did 'racing boats' get into this?

I suppose you could design a mast hung rudder and with enough money,
build it. I'm sure there'd be much controversy pro and con in the
water
holiday pulps but what the hey....



... Also does a swell job of reducing
living space in a given length.

??? Increasing reserve bouyancy aft increases interior space aft.

Scoop out the stern from above or below and you lose living space.



It's not those old fashioned counter sterns or double enders that
have
whole staterooms tucked under the cockpit & quarters in 35 footers.

Whole staterooms in 35 footers? I guess that depends on your
definition of "stateroom".



... As for seaworthiness... the more
poops the better. Well, I suppose happy hour on the steps of a
swim cum fishing cum barbecue platform in mid ocean makes it
all worth it. Time to change the hood ornament.

Hood ornaments are dangerous... they block the drivers vision and
they
gouge chunks out of unlucky pedestrians... not sure how that affects
behavior in following seas though.

Depends which way the trinket is facing.

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The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.